Saints fire Rob Ryan

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I don't think I've ever seen anything like that Browner play, he completely ignored the guy with the ball. That is just crazy.
Oh and Rob Ryan sucks, I can't see him getting another professional DC job again.
 

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Rob Ryan was a cool guy to have around town. Showed up to bars and paid for everyone, joined the occasional parade, etc. Shitty D-coordinator. Better a year late than never.
 

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at the start of the video the saints player takes out the lead blocker with what appears to be block itself. I mean he probably doesnt get to the ball carrier but some type of attempt there to redirect or hit the ball carrier would be wiser than trying to undercut a blocker. Anyone else seeing that too?
 

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Turns out looking like The Big Lebowski isn't correlated with being a good football coach.
 

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I don't think I've ever seen anything like that Browner play, he completely ignored the guy with the ball. That is just crazy.
Oh and Rob Ryan sucks, I can't see him getting another professional DC job again.
If this was the Color Rush Bills and Jets game, a color blind person would have just assumed that was a great block to spring his teammate for the TD.
 

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I wonder what BB thinks about Ryan. He coached the LB's during some very strong years, but never quite had that success as a DC. (I'm not talking about bringing Ryan here. Just curious what BB thought of Ryan's future in 2004.)
 

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I don't really understand why this didn't happen earlier.

Im guessing he's out of work for more than 5 minutes this time unless he wants to go back to coaching LBs.
 

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I don't think I've ever seen anything like that Browner play, he completely ignored the guy with the ball. That is just crazy.
Oh and Rob Ryan sucks, I can't see him getting another professional DC job again.
That video is incredible and tells a lot about the culture Ryan created, which is interesting considering the recent history of the Saints.

Sadly, I'm willing to bet he gets another crack at a coordinator position. The NFL is an incestuous place.
 

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Damn, they might as well can the guy. I don't see much sense in leaving his status up in the air. Just rip it off like a band-aid.

It appears that whole Saints operation is a bit of a mess. Goodell really put the screws to that franchise with his bounty dick swinging.
 

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The Pep Hamilton thing in Indy earlier this season was rare -- coordinators are seldom fired in-season, unless the head coach is sacked also.

Perhaps the initial report was irresponsible, but assuming Fox had well-placed sources for its sources (and I think that's likely), the intrigue in New Orleans runs deep, and the stakes are a lot higher than whether Rob Ryan gets pushed out now or after the season.
 

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That video is incredible and tells a lot about the culture Ryan created, which is interesting considering the recent history of the Saints.
I'm not going to risk the wrath of SJH by defending a Ryan.

But a Brandon Browner cheap shot is indicative of the "culture" in New Orleans? I think that video is evidence Brandon Browner is kind of a dummy who delivers cheap shots. Ask Ladarius Green about Browner's predilections for going for the cheap shot instead of the tackle. Absolutely no one thought that was about a culture problem in New England.

IMO, Browner isn't fast enough to make that play and he took a shitty angle, making him more likely to whiff on an attempt. YMMV.

The Pep Hamilton thing in Indy earlier this season was rare -- coordinators are seldom fired in-season, unless the head coach is sacked also.

Perhaps the initial report was irresponsible, but assuming Fox had well-placed sources for its sources (and I think that's likely), the intrigue in New Orleans runs deep, and the stakes are a lot higher than whether Rob Ryan gets pushed out now or after the season.
Agreed. Payton is making this a "he goes, I go" situation because either Payton wants out or Payton wants organizational control from whomever leaked the Ryan firing. I'm not sure where the Loomis-Payton relationship is now, but (BIG MARKET TEASE) I'm sure Zodda & Schofield will talk about it with Saints die-hard and ZoneReads.com honcho Nath when he's on the podcast that comes out Weds.
 

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I'm not going to risk the wrath of SJH by defending a Ryan.

But a Brandon Browner cheap shot is indicative of the "culture" in New Orleans? I think that video is evidence Brandon Browner is kind of a dummy who delivers cheap shots. Ask Ladarius Green about Browner's predilections for going for the cheap shot instead of the tackle. Absolutely no one thought that was about a culture problem in New England.

IMO, Browner isn't fast enough to make that play and he took a shitty angle, making him more likely to whiff on an attempt. YMMV.
I am admittedly reading a lot into that video (and am obviously engaging in a bit of hyperbole) but I saw not one, but two defensive players pass up a shot at making a tackle and instead light up a blocker who had no bearing on the play.

That's the sort of mindless aggression I remember from Buddy Ryan's teams and it's perfectly aligned with the persona that Rob (and Rex) try to promote for their teams.

As you said, YMMV, but that's how I saw it.
 

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I am admittedly reading a lot into that video (and am obviously engaging in a bit of hyperbole) but I saw not one, but two defensive players pass up a shot at making a tackle and instead light up a blocker who had no bearing on the play.

That's the sort of mindless aggression I remember from Buddy Ryan's teams and it's perfectly aligned with the persona that Rob (and Rex) try to promote for their teams.

As you said, YMMV, but that's how I saw it.
I've only watched the GIF posted up thread - is the 2nd player you're seeing in that clip? If so, uniform number? If not...link? (I am out of office, and apologize for the request for something I usually have access to).

And having watched Browner, I'll reiterate that IMO he has no chance of making the tackle because he's not fast enough to cover the distance and because his angle is terrible. Both of those things I've seen a lot on film in the past.

But seriously, I'm not going to defend a Ryan. I'm not falling into this trap.
 

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So BB got one useful year out of Browner and then cut bait. On the surface it was certainly salary-related, but I wonder what it took to keep him in line last year.
 

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So BB got one useful year out of Browner and then cut bait. On the surface it was certainly salary-related, but I wonder what it took to keep him in line last year.
Browner is useful in a highly specific role - he's perfect for what he did on the Butler INT. Jam, press coverage at the line with safety help over the top and the sideline as a boundary defender.

He is worse in zone than my 85 year old grandmother.

To be a one-trick pony, it better be an awesome trick.
 

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I've only watched the GIF posted up thread - is the 2nd player you're seeing in that clip? If so, uniform number? If not...link? (I am out of office, and apologize for the request for something I usually have access to).

And having watched Browner, I'll reiterate that IMO he has no chance of making the tackle because he's not fast enough to cover the distance and because his angle is terrible. Both of those things I've seen a lot on film in the past.

But seriously, I'm not going to defend a Ryan. I'm not falling into this trap.
I can't make out his number, but the first defensive player seen in the video goes right for the lead blocker and cuts his legs out from under him. The collision does make the runner change direction, but the defender doesn't even try to bring him down. He just throws himself at the knees of the blocker.

Going to have to disagree with you about Browner. He did take a bad angle, but when the runner slows up and cuts towards Browner, the play is right in front of him. Of course, at this point Browner is ignoring the runner, so instead of making the play he veers right and takes a cheap shot at the trailing blocker.

Anyway, enough of this digression. I'm ready to focus on (and celebrate) the demise of Ryan, even if it's a temporary situation.
 
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Eh. He was a Pats coach for two Super Bowl victories.
 

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Meh. He was LB coach, he wasn't making strategic decisions about schemes. He's accomplished nothing of note since leaving NE except for being a Ryan. His defenses, as noted above, have generally sucked.

So screw him. And his brother.
 
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Browner is useful in a highly specific role - he's perfect for what he did on the Butler INT. Jam, press coverage at the line with safety help over the top and the sideline as a boundary defender.

He is worse in zone than my 85 year old grandmother.
That's true, but to be fair, your grandmother has an otherworldly knack for playing in space. Also, she is scheme-diverse, so.
 

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I guess I'd have to openly root for the plane crash in that case.

Of course all that Ryan hot air would keep the damn thing flying anyway.

I'm not sure I would worry about a plane crash largely because the two coaching on the same team would be a massive train wreck.

Please use the preferred board metaphor. Thanks.
 

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I can't make out his number, but the first defensive player seen in the video goes right for the lead blocker and cuts his legs out from under him. The collision does make the runner change direction, but the defender doesn't even try to bring him down. He just throws himself at the knees of the blocker.
I think that guy was going to get mauled by the OL regardless and made the right decision to cut him, enabling others to flow to the ball. If he stops his momentum, the OL is gonna shove him to the ground and keep rolling downfield as a blocker, but since he's cut blocked, it takes both out of the play.

That's true, but to be fair, your grandmother has an otherworldly knack for playing in space. Also, she is scheme-diverse, so.
Runs a 4.3 40, too.