It's not a joke. But I think you may have to throw in Joe Charboneau's rookie of the year trophy.OptimusPapi said:
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Headley has really only had one above average season. I don't see the logic in throwing big money at him. Panda my concern is strictly with his weight. If you throw big dollars at him is he going to report to camp at 280 again? Not questioning the talent with the bat, rather questioning his ability to stay at 3rd. His bat doesn't profile that well as your classic first baseman or DH. If they do sign him I'm not going to riot or anything but I do believe that it might not be the best course of action two years from now.Savin Hillbilly said:
I don't even know why I'm discussing Panda though. Sox will not sign him if he gets a QO. Most teams loathe to give up draft picks and that's really not a bad thing. Which would then put Headley at the top of the list.
You can find 3rd baseman. Look at Donaldson in Oakland. How many top prospect lists was he on? EE in Toronto played 3rd for a while and looked washed up. Ultimately it's going to depend on if they view Xander as a long term SS or long term 3rd baseman. If they view Xander as a 3B than a guy like Tulo makes sense for the Sox. H-Ram could also make sense at that point too. Marrero is an internal option.
"As for Craig, he has an option left and he was terrible enough in 2014 that he should have no claim to a major league job."
This I did not realize (the option). He should join WMB and JBJ in AAA for 3 months or so to learn how to hit again and then have to sustain it for a while before making a return to Boston.
This I did not realize (the option). He should join WMB and JBJ in AAA for 3 months or so to learn how to hit again and then have to sustain it for a while before making a return to Boston.
Tyrone Biggums said:
We agree on Headley - I would only want him on a 1 or 2 year deal
As for Panda and the QO, the Sox's 1st rounder is protected - so we would only lose a 2nd round pick. Sandoval is a good but not great player with serious fitness issues. I'd be very hesitant offering him a 4-5 year deal.
It took 6 years and taking fliers on over a half dozen guys to find Donaldson. I don't want to spend years watching the Inge's, Kouzmanoff's, and Hannahan's occupying the position with their 600-something OPS wishing and praying to catch lightning in a bottle while we finish below .500. That's not a gameplan.Tyrone Biggums said:
At the same token how much of a game plan is throwing 100 million at Kung Fu Panda? I would rather try Betts Pedroia or one of the other options thrown around on SOSH than get a long term deal with a guy with serious fitness issues. I know hindsight is 20/20 but the Sox never should have parted with Beltre. I would pursue him in the offseason.HomeRunBaker said:
You're also comparing two completely different financial situations. If the strategy didn't work within 12 months, the Red Sox would go out and sign an actual top 3rd base option. Oakland being a small market team could never do that. If the team goes out and signs Panda Lester and Scherzer then they are once again under pressure to win this year. We tried the Yankee way before it wasn't well received on here and the team didn't gel.
I'm not in favor of Panda as there are obvious concerns how well he ages. Headley on a pillow, Murphy, Beltre, or our current SS are some options......I hope Panda isn't and I certainly hope WMB, Holt, and Cecchini aren't as the latter guys fall into that "someone will emerge" hope which in this specific case should be avoided.Tyrone Biggums said:
Tyrone Biggums said:
FTFY.
He's been an average-or-better hitter in four seasons (wRC+ 98, 103, 104, 107), and well above average in two (122, 145). And defensively he's a very good 3B both by reputation and by the numbers (career UZR/150 10.8). That adds up to a consistently above-average player with one outlier year when he was better than that.
Savin Hillbilly said:
He's also pretty smart baserunner from what I have seen. He's not going to steal 20 or even 10 bases, but he will go from first to third effectively and doesn't make too many gaffes. That seems to be something this management team has valued (ie, the Drew brothers).
We're discussing a 30-year old, fantastic defensive third baseman with a very good bat, whose 121 wRC+ pace last year after getting traded out of the most run suppressing stadium in baseball was slightly better than Kyle Seager's and Evan Longoria's over 2013-14. And whom the Yankees can't re-sign without eating A-Rod's $61m contract.
I think it's best if everyone forgets about Headley, so the Sox can quietly sign a 4-5 win player to 3/$39.
I think it's best if everyone forgets about Headley, so the Sox can quietly sign a 4-5 win player to 3/$39.
Curt Schilling had a bonus in his last Red Sox contract for keeping under a specified weight.ALiveH said:
Even if the MLBPA would let that kind of language into a contract you'd have to substantially overspend relative to the market if you wanted Panda to take such a deal. The market for him will probably be fairly robust (or he'll be QO'd) so having to overpay on that for weight protection isn't too appealing.ALiveH said:
Headley is probably the most interesting option of the bunch at this point because he can't get a QO now, the Yankees already have a ton of money locked in at 3B and need players at several other positions still, and Headley has made it clear he wants a full time job. What happens with Panda, Lowrie, H. Ramirez, A. Ramirez, etc. in terms of qualifying offers and team options will dictate how interesting any of them are, but this isn't a bad 3B market to go shopping in.
Whoops. Just now getting back to this thread.
I've gotta admit I was surprised by this. Thanks for the fact check.
Thanks. If Cafardo is correct (a very bit if), that's limiting their options at the position, no? Although with so many positions seemingly locked in as RHH, maybe it makes more sense for the Sox in '15 than it would for most teams.
Don Bradman said:
I've gotta admit I was surprised by this. Thanks for the fact check.
HriniakPosterChild said:
Thanks. If Cafardo is correct (a very bit if), that's limiting their options at the position, no? Although with so many positions seemingly locked in as RHH, maybe it makes more sense for the Sox in '15 than it would for most teams.
Holt is a valuable piece for a team that doesn't have enough healthy infielders and outfielders, which describes the '14 Sox well, but probably not the '15 Sox. He's clearly an asset to the bench, which is not the problem.
I don't mind that WMB has forgone winter ball, as a player will always be more concerned with his health than the team is. It does bother me that his fielding improved less in three years than Cecchini's did in three weeks.
I don't mind that WMB has forgone winter ball, as a player will always be more concerned with his health than the team is. It does bother me that his fielding improved less in three years than Cecchini's did in three weeks.
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