Sepp Blatter resigns, FIFA ExCo members face extradition

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This has to be related to tomorrow's vote, right? Is it known or understood whether this favors Blatter or Prince Ali bin al-Hussein?
 
I think the main relationship is that the vote brings all the key players together in one place where the U.S. has a favorable extradition treaty, which makes it a lot easier to arrest them en masse.  I suspect any influence the arrests have on the vote itself (Blatter will probably still win) is just a collateral benefit.
 

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Here are the ten people who will be questioned
http://www.theguardian.com/football/live/2015/may/27/fifa-officials-arrested-on-corruption-charges-live#block-5565ad62e4b00e009a9836c1
Owen Gibson has the names of the 10 individuals, all currently listed as current Fifa executive committee members, who will now be questioned by Swiss authorities over the 2018/22 World Cup bids. Sepp Blatter and Michel Platini, as Swiss residents, are not included, but will also presumably be questioned.
They are: Issa Hayatou (president of the Confederation of African Football), Angel Maria Villar Llona (Spain), Michel D’Hooghe (Belgium), Senes Erzik (Turkey), Worawi Makudi (Thailand), Marios Lefkaritis (Cyprus), Jacques Anouma (Ivory Coast), Rafael Salguero (Guatemala), Hany Abo Rida (Egypt) and Vitaly Mutko (Russia – head of the 2018 World Cup and sports minister).
 
 
D'Hooghe got a painting from Russia and tried to get a friend a job in Qatar
http://www.theguardian.com/football/2015/feb/24/fifa-michel-dhooghe-world-cup-ethics
 

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Better late than never. Please please someone(s) plea to a deal in turn to turn on Sepp.
 
What are the odds of this not happened with this group of high moral characters?  Seriously this is not the mafia, someone will flip.
 

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What are the odds of this not happened with this group of high moral characters?  Seriously this is not the mafia, someone will flip.
I think it will be a sprint by all to be the first to offer the Feds the best dirt. Right now 14 different whit heels are realizing there's a race and the losers of that race are going to jail.
 

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ESPN just mentioned that Nike may be involved in the charges via their connection with Brazil.

Story via Forbes:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/darrenheitner/2015/05/27/major-u-s-sportswear-company-implicated-in-soccer-bribery-scheme/

I attend an annual legal workshop at work about the Foreign Corrupt Practices Act where my company's lawyers hammer home the importance of total compliance with that law. The penalties for breaking it aren't limited to the corporation, either. Individual employees can go to jail for violations, too. If Nike bribed any government official of a foreign company (and the definition of who is a "government official" is very very broad), shit's gonna get real.
 

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Holy crap is Marin a despicable figure (from the Guardian)
 
 


Few people in Brazil are likely to mourn the arrest in Zurich today of José Maria Marin, the dictatorship-era politician and former head of the Brazilian Football Confederation.
Swiss police detained the 83-year-old as part of their swoop on Fifa officials allegedly involved in money laundering and bribery.
It is far from the first controversy surrounding the CBF president, who is from the same clique of Brazilian football kingpins as his predecessor Ricardo Teixeira and FIFA president João Havelange - both of whom were embroiled in corruption scandals.
Marin’s appointment in 2012 was controversial as a result of his support for the country’s military dictatorship and his alleged association with the torture and killing of a journalist, Vladimir Herzog.
Herzog’s son, Ivo has said Marin should take some responsibility for the death of his father because in 1975, when the future head of the CBF was still a state congressman, he publicly denounced Herzog and called for the authorities to take action. The journalist was arrested soon after on the orders of police chief Sérgio Fleury and died in prison tafter undergoing repeated electric shocks. A year later, an unrepentant Marin praised Fleury for fulfilling his duties “in the most praiseworthy manner.”
In 2013, the former Brazil striker Romario joined Ivo in presenting a petition to the CBF and Sepp Blatter urging Marin’s appointment be referred to the Fifa ethics committee for conduct unbecoming a football official.
Romario had previously called Marin a thief and said he should “spend 100 years in prison” for taking a medal from a Corinthians player at a junior cup match. Marin responded by filing a lawsuit, but Romario was aquitted by the Supreme Court in April this year.
Marin is a former São Paulo state governor, a post he won with the support of one of the most corrupt politicians in Brazil, Paulo Maluf who has been found guilty of taking hundreds of millions of dollars of bribes.
 

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Time and again I read quotes from ex players lambasting Blatter and his ways. I've not been able to work out how he's kept his job so long. I know bribery and corrupton and some sharing of the wealth, but one imagines there are good men and women in the game who can stand up against the corruption that is rife in FIFA.
 
If you're mystified at Blatter's success, I think that's because you're looking at it from a European or Western point of view. Blatter is very, very good at the politics of FIFA, and specifically very good at getting support from the developing world. He's overseen the first World Cups in Asia and Africa. He knows how other worldwide federations resent the power of Europe (e.g. Europe has 7 seats on FIFA's exec committee; Asia and Africa, despite their number of countries and total population, have only 4 each), and uses anti-imperialist rhetoric to win federations over.
 

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In the presser, Lynch said Copa America Centenario involved $110m in bribes in the US alone
 
 
It really feels like there is still a closet's worth of shoes to drop.
 

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If you're mystified at Blatter's success, I think that's because you're looking at it from a European or Western point of view. Blatter is very, very good at the politics of FIFA, and specifically very good at getting support from the developing world. He's overseen the first World Cups in Asia and Africa. He knows how other worldwide federations resent the power of Europe (e.g. Europe has 7 seats on FIFA's exec committee; Asia and Africa, despite their number of countries and total population, have only 4 each), and uses anti-imperialist rhetoric to win federations over.
 
Bingo.  And in CONCACAF, it's not so much anti-imperialist rhetoric, it's taking advantage of all the tiny Caribbean FAs that form a majority of the confederation.  Places like the Cayman Islands, Montserrat, Aruba, et al have no chance of getting anywhere close to WC qualification or doing anything meaningful.  Most of those FAs are run like personal fiefdoms.  FIFA sends grant money, which is pocketed by docile officials who march in lockstep support of Blatter, paying off other local officials as needed.
 
USA and Mexico are just two votes.  And even some big-time federations in serious soccer countries are hopelessly corrupt (Brazil).
 

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If the Swiss government is investigating too, that bodes well for the idea its not going to be US-against-the-world here. We will see.
Yeah, this seems like the key. If the Swiss play along, this gets way more interesting. The U.S. has fired its shot, and I assume other than the nine they captured the others hold enough passports to avoid places where they might get extradited. But if they are accused of crimes in Switzerland, that really starts to add to the possibilities of getting very long arms to reach out and grabbing them.

Yesterday's action is very un-Swiss. Switzerland cooperating to have U.S. arrests on its soil is very very surprising. Someone in Switzerland is pissed at FIFA, which is also very surprising given the organization's ties to Switzerland. I wonder if some kind of deal was brokered to spare their own citizens. I think Blatter holds a Swiss passport.

FIFA is going to fight back through diplomatic channels. We probably shouldn't underestimate its power. Similarly the fact that one of the two World Cup award countries has pretty good global clout is going to help FIFA too. And I guess we better hope that in terms of documents we got what we needed, because stuff is going to start disappearing.
 

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Oh, and we can expect juicy coverage from ESPN on this, after FIFA blindsided them and extended Fox's WC rights to 2026 with no warning, notice, or bid process.
 

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And to go full circle, down the rabbit hole, FIFA donated to the Clinton Foundation.
 

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And to go full circle, down the rabbit hole, FIFA donated to the Clinton Foundation.
If FIFA balls are under-inflated we'd have scandal Yahtzee.
 
I'm guessing FOX will lay off this story since they are FIFA rights partners. Limbaugh & Beck on the other hand will enjoy said rabbit hole.
 

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Aaron Davidson, who is the head of (sleazy) sports company Traffic as well as chairman of the US second division NASL, is among the list of people indicted.  Traffic Sports owns the Carolina RailHawks and has a significant ownership stake in the league itself.
 
I'm not sure what the ramifications of this will be for the league.
 

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I was watching the news late last night and it said Blatter was a shoe in to keep his job, it then cut to a guy representing the Irish FA who said they would not be supporting him and gave some reasons why: FIFA's brand had been tarnished, to repair it Blatter needs to go was the gist.
 
Yeah, the Europeans hate Blatter and many of the federations quietly wouldn't mind dumping FIFA altogether.  The requirement that players be released for national team duty from the clubs that pay them--and that the players serve for their national team if called--is extortion.  We can talk about how is develops the game around the world, and that's basically true, but it's built on extortion from clubs and players.  One reason why African nations underperform at the World Cup: Their federations use the European-based players to make money for the federations' executives, knowing that they can have FIFA suspend the players from their clubs if they refuse to turn up.  Then they nickel-and-dime the players on their performance fees.  No one would be motivated to play for their country if the federation were doing that to them.  And at the same time, the Europeans know their clubs--who pay these guys the vast majority of their earnings--are seeing players are getting used for their skills and often handed back injured or fatigued.  And the Togolese or Ivorian FAs (to name just two) don't have money to reimburse the clubs because they don't make that kind of money off most of their international matches, such as AFCON or World Cup qualifying.
 
So the Europeans would never go against the Americans on this one.  They quietly love this.  Blatter has built his empire on the one nation, one vote nature of FIFA, and most nations love getting some sweet kickbacks from FIFA marketing and TV rights.  So he gets whole confederations' voting blocs delivered to him. 
 
One possible scenario where Blatter loses was mentioned by an attorney from Change FIFA last week on the Beyond The Pitch podcast.  With Blatter having only one challenger in Qatar's Prince Ali now and UEFA largely opposed to him, if CAF changes its votes as a bloc, Ali is within range of the 105 votes needed to win.  In April, the entire leadership of CAF had a private audience with...the Emir of Qatar.  If they have a deal to flip if Ali can get enough votes from elsewhere, Blatter could be done in by this.
 

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If you're mystified at Blatter's success, I think that's because you're looking at it from a European or Western point of view. Blatter is very, very good at the politics of FIFA, and specifically very good at getting support from the developing world. He's overseen the first World Cups in Asia and Africa. He knows how other worldwide federations resent the power of Europe (e.g. Europe has 7 seats on FIFA's exec committee; Asia and Africa, despite their number of countries and total population, have only 4 each), and uses anti-imperialist rhetoric to win federations over.
 
I do sort of wonder how long the European clubs are going to continue with this uneasy status quo. It feels like their power in Fifa's offices are nowhere near what they could be, and they would probably get some backing from their native federations that dislike Blatter anyway. 
 
CONCACAF's like that as well, how much longer are the US and Mexico going to sit there and be lectured by tinpot Caribbean nations that have never produced a player good enough to break either's national team? For now, Blatter's been the sword of Damocles over those countries - we'll go to the principal and he'll suspend you from Fifa or whatever. With Blatter gone I think there's a chance for a big power vacuum. 
 

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So the Europeans would never go against the Americans on this one.  They quietly love this. 
How awesome would it be if bringing down FIFA had a bigger positive impact on international public sentiment than anything the US has done politically in the past two decades?

Soccer diplomacy.
 

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How awesome would it be if bringing down FIFA had a bigger positive impact on international public sentiment than anything the US has done politically in the past two decades?

Soccer diplomacy.
 
I expect that pretty much every FA in Western Europe has been toasting the Yanks all day long.  As usual, we showed up late, but came in guns blazing.
 

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I expect that pretty much every FA in Western Europe has been toasting the Yanks all day long.  As usual, we showed up late, but came in guns blazing.
 
 
 

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Aaron Davidson, who is the head of (sleazy) sports company Traffic as well as chairman of the US second division NASL, is among the list of people indicted.  Traffic Sports owns the Carolina RailHawks and has a significant ownership stake in the league itself.
 
I'm not sure what the ramifications of this will be for the league.
 
Kind of off-topic, but his connections might have something to do with what I've thought of as the bizarre way NASL has gone about building itself up in the USA as an alternative to MLS.  As a permanent second division with no promotion prospects, spending relatively big money on players didn't make sense to me. And the NASL's confrontational approach has made it difficult for its clubs to work toward becoming MLS expansion teams, with some looking at working through the third-division USL instead.
 
But if Davidson thought he could build the NASL into a league that passed the smell test as being comparable to MLS in quality, he could then pull strings with CONCACAF or FIFA to have them "review" MLS's charter as the USA's first division league (many people don't know that FIFA and confederation bestow that title on leagues).  He may have been thinking he could politic and bribe his way into CONCACAF and FIFA forcing a merger or even pulling MLS's charter if they refused.
 

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How awesome would it be if bringing down FIFA had a bigger positive impact on international public sentiment than anything the US has done politically in the past two decades?

Soccer diplomacy.
Whoever fills the void will probably be better for Europe and hated by the rest of the world who support Blatter because he's their thief at least.
 

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One possible scenario where Blatter loses was mentioned by an attorney from Change FIFA last week on the Beyond The Pitch podcast.  With Blatter having only one challenger in Qatar's Prince Ali now and UEFA largely opposed to him, if CAF changes its votes as a bloc, Ali is within range of the 105 votes needed to win.  In April, the entire leadership of CAF had a private audience with...the Emir of Qatar.  If they have a deal to flip if Ali can get enough votes from elsewhere, Blatter could be done in by this.
 
Assuming that Blatter isn't stupid enough to be personally dirty and there are docs to show it, doesn't yesterday's action feed right into the message he's selling and appeal exactly to his power base?  Doesn't he sell these latest events and just more of the same heavy handed western, northern hemisphere colonial style aggression?
 

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Assuming that Blatter isn't stupid enough to be personally dirty and there are docs to show it, doesn't yesterday's action feed right into the message he's selling and appeal exactly to his power base?  Doesn't he sell these latest events and just more of the same heavy handed western, northern hemisphere colonial style aggression?
 
If CAF is swayed by anything other than cash money, you may be right.  But the fact that CAF seems to vote as a bloc is a pretty strong sign of top-down control by Issa Hayatou.  Which tells me that the anti-colonial stuff is a cover for glorious, glorious greenbacks.
 

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https://twitter.com/liviubird/status/603620109018619904
 
https://twitter.com/WillParchman/status/603620457510744064
 

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Yes!!
 
https://twitter.com/martynziegler/status/603623265819590656
 

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If CAF is swayed by anything other than cash money, you may be right.  But the fact that CAF seems to vote as a bloc is a pretty strong sign of top-down control by Issa Hayatou.  Which tells me that the anti-colonial stuff is a cover for glorious, glorious greenbacks.
 
Not necessarily so - if you look at voting behavior by countries at the United Nations and other international bodies, regional groupings often vote as a bloc anyway, even without money being considered. CAF may or may not switch its votes en masse, but I wouldn't necessarily attribute either movement to monetary considerations.
 

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Assuming that Blatter isn't stupid enough to be personally dirty and there are docs to show it, doesn't yesterday's action feed right into the message he's selling and appeal exactly to his power base?  Doesn't he sell these latest events and just more of the same heavy handed western, northern hemisphere colonial style aggression?
 
I presume he would. His challenger, however, is not from the West, so I don't know how that argument will play.
 

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Yes!!
 
https://twitter.com/martynziegler/status/603623265819590656
 
Thank Christ. I was worried that snake would somehow get out of this one, too.
 

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CONCACAF's like that as well, how much longer are the US and Mexico going to sit there and be lectured by tinpot Caribbean nations that have never produced a player good enough to break either's national team? For now, Blatter's been the sword of Damocles over those countries - we'll go to the principal and he'll suspend you from Fifa or whatever. With Blatter gone I think there's a chance for a big power vacuum. 
 
See, this kind of thinking is why regional countries always vote as a bloc in international forums, at least the ones I've negotiated at. If big, influential countries are going to try to throw their weight around, the smaller countries' best counter is to band together and vote as one unified group.
 

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Oh, and we can expect juicy coverage from ESPN on this, after FIFA blindsided them and extended Fox's WC rights to 2026 with no warning, notice, or bid process.
 
Oh ya.  Bob Ley's live, and he brought a hatchet.  This these interviews feels lit like Law and Order: SVU.
 

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See, this kind of thinking is why regional countries always vote as a bloc in international forums, at least the ones I've negotiated at. If big, influential countries are going to try to throw their weight around, the smaller countries' best counter is to band together and vote as one unified group.
Yeah but those nations still have precious little leverage. They could break away tomorrow from US/Mex-acaf and nobody would care. If Uncle Sepp is no more then I don't see how much longer the people bringing home the bacon don't get to call the shots in Fifa and regionally.
 

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 His challenger, however, is not from the West, so I don't know how that argument will play.

 
His challenger was in my class my sophomore year in high school. Then he was kicked out for drugs, drinking and poor grades. But he has, by all accounts, straightened himself out nicely, which is good to see. And I'd love to have a Facebook friend as FIFA president... I think that's how the next regime's kickbacks and graft will go down and I am positioning myself accordingly.
 

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So if the U.S investigation is focussed on the Americas (see below). And the Swiss are taking up the Qatar and Russia bids, does that mean Asia and Oceania are clean, or is there a whole other investigation we have yet to hear about?
I would guess that the Swiss investigation if thorough will pick up corruption in every continental confederation.
Sure Africa and South America are probably where the most bribes were handed out, the AFC for sure will be under investigation since it includes Qatar. I guess it is possible nobody bothered to bribe anyone from Oceania, but I doubt it.
 

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Oceania is a good target for corruption because nations tend to be small and underdeveloped. If I'm from the Solomon Islands a couple hundred thousand dollars goes a long way. And no one notices if a couple of planned pitches don't get installed.