Sepp Blatter resigns, FIFA ExCo members face extradition

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Yeah but those nations still have precious little leverage. They could break away tomorrow from US/Mex-acaf and nobody would care. If Uncle Sepp is no more then I don't see how much longer the people bringing home the bacon don't get to call the shots in Fifa and regionally.
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Not necessarily so - if you look at voting behavior by countries at the United Nations and other international bodies, regional groupings often vote as a bloc anyway, even without money being considered. CAF may or may not switch its votes en masse, but I wouldn't necessarily attribute either movement to monetary considerations.
It's not necessarily so, but Issa Hayasou is a crook who's run CAF according to a playbook established around the globe. Past heads of CONMEBOL, CONCACAF, and the AFC have set up kleptocracies as well.
 

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So if the U.S investigation is focussed on the Americas (see below). And the Swiss are taking up the Qatar and Russia bids, does that mean Asia and Oceania are clean, or is there a whole other investigation we have yet to hear about?
 
I believe the idea is getting someone(s) out of this group to start singing about higher ups to avoid jail time.
 

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So what type of penalties are these people looking at, specifically jail time? If its fines and 1 or 3 years in prison, I can see the executives holding out for whatever obscene reward Blatter will have waiting for them when they get out. If its 20 years, I would think they would be racing to reach a deal.
 

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ifmanis5 said:
Update on Warner: FIFA vice president Warner arrested, freed on $2.5M bail
And now we play the will T&T extradite him game. I'm thinking no because he light the government on fire in the process. But I'm hoping yes even if it could take forever.


Edit: There seems to be a lot of confusion as to whether or not Jack made bail. Maybe the DoJ snatched him haha.
 

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lostjumper said:
So what type of penalties are these people looking at, specifically jail time? If its fines and 1 or 3 years in prison, I can see the executives holding out for whatever obscene reward Blatter will have waiting for them when they get out. If its 20 years, I would think they would be racing to reach a deal.
Well it is 30 something counts of wire fraud and money laundering, with some racketeering, tax fraud, obstruction of justice and illegal procurement of citizenship.
The Fraud and money laundering have broad punishment ranges, anywhere from just fines to 20 years in prison, same with racketeering.
 

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Well it is 30 something counts of wire fraud and money laundering, with some racketeering, tax fraud, obstruction of justice and illegal procurement of citizenship.
The Fraud and money laundering have broad punishment ranges, anywhere from just fines to 20 years in prison, same with racketeering.
 
Another factor is that a lot of these guys are pretty old and already wealthy.  Even if its only a short stretch in minimum security prison, taking the years isn't really a great option when you're 86. 
 

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Spacemans Bong said:
Yeah but those nations still have precious little leverage. They could break away tomorrow from US/Mex-acaf and nobody would care. If Uncle Sepp is no more then I don't see how much longer the people bringing home the bacon don't get to call the shots in Fifa and regionally.
 
Oh, the other small and medium-sized countries that make up the majority of FIFA member countries would care - and that includes the South American powerhouses. Blatter's power comes from the structure of FIFA's rules, and nothing about those rules has changed. Indeed, from most FIFA members' point of view, Europe already has too much power, not too little. That's why someone like Luis Figo would never have had a shot, even if it was a straight-up election between him and Prince Ali. 
 
The rich countries could threaten to break away, I suppose, in order to try to extract more power in FIFA. That would be an interesting power play.
 

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It's not necessarily so, but Issa Hayasou is a crook who's run CAF according to a playbook established around the globe. Past heads of CONMEBOL, CONCACAF, and the AFC have set up kleptocracies as well.
 
That may be true - all I'm saying that voting as a bloc isn't good proof of that. Places like Japan and the Republic of Korea are voting along with oher Asian countries because of the political dynamics of these elections, not because they need money.
 

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Could Figo re-stand if the election is postponed?  I'm not sure the Prince of Qatar is really the savior FIFA is looking for.  Yeah, Figo did try to fix the Portugal-South Korea match on the field in 2002, but I still think he'd be better.  
 
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Lester Munson: When he's on our side, boy does he ever know what he's talking about!
yeah, iI'm a little worried that he thinks the case against FIFAns is strong.

jokes about that moron aside, though, he does cite some fact-like things that sound encouraging.
 

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Could Figo re-stand if the election is postponed?  I'm not sure the Prince of Qatar is really the savior FIFA is looking for.  Yeah, Figo did try to fix the Portugal-South Korea match on the field in 2002, but I still think he'd be better.  
 
I hope this post gets the love it deserves.
 

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I find it amazing that Prince Ali can't even get his own confederation to back him. Shows you how strong (and vindictive) Blatter has been that a member of the AFC executive comittee who is one of the big players in the advancement of the region, can't get any votes, even after a good chunk of Blatter's allies are looking at prison time. Not only that, but they won't even back the motion to delay the election.
 
Edit- Ah I had missed it, he lost his seat to the Blatter backed candidate last year.
 

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He couldn't prove the money was clean, huh?
2.5M in the Trinidad dollar is around $395,000 USD. I'm surprised he had to use a deed worth that much because he really should have had that underneath his couch cushions.
 

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I wonder if EA Sports will consider naming their next video game something other than "FIFA".
 
They can consider all they want; I'm sure it's enshrined in the licensing agreement.
 

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The problem is that, if Visa withdraws, CapitalOne or Barclays or AmEx or anyone else will fill the void. If Coke withdraws, Pepsi enters. If adidas finds its moral compass, Nike conveniently loses its own. 
Yes, but the fewer bidders, the lower winning bribe. 
 
JimBoSox9 said:
 
They can consider all they want; I'm sure it's enshrined in the licensing agreement.
 
Sure, but presumably not in perpetuity...and it'd be rather foolish (of both parties) not to have some sort of scandal-related opt-out clause in the contract, wouldn't it?
 
I'm not suggesting for a minute that this is a way to really damage FIFA, by the way - I'm just curious about how this might play out.
 

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@CindyBoren: Irony Alert!!! There are unprecedented and difficult times for FIFA. Sepp Blatter says.
 

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@ABC: FIFA Pres. Sepp Blatter says there can be no place for corruption of any kind in soccer: Let this be a turning point - @AaronKatersky
 

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CONCACAF has announced a bunch of changes:
 
https://twitter.com/thegoalkeeper/status/603962985313370113
 
Hawit is the head of the Honduran FA.
 
https://twitter.com/thegoalkeeper/status/603963351430012928
 
Sanz has connections to Traffic Sports.
 

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https://twitter.com/thegoalkeeper/status/603963444610629633
 
https://twitter.com/thegoalkeeper/status/603964169159839744
 

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It's hard to know exactly what is going on, but creating a committee that has no Central American or Caribbean presence at all is highly unusual.  It's possible that it's a desperate PR ploy, but I'm not sure if Gulati, Compean, and Montagliani would go along with such a thing.
 

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It's hard to know exactly what is going on, but creating a committee that has no Central American or Caribbean presence at all is highly unusual.  It's possible that it's a desperate PR ploy, but I'm not sure if Gulati, Compean, and Montagliani would go along with such a thing.
Well Honduras got the top slot, so really it is the Carribean zone being frozen out if anything. Considering that almost all of them are Jack Warner lackeys it isn't surprising.
 

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@AustinHunt: Blatter: Let this be the turning point, more needs to be done to make sure everyone in football behaves responsibly http://t.co/AVJkPGm7j7
 
They already had to no bid one world cup broadcast rights because of Qatar.  This is going to make things worse.  They won't go bankrupt but this is costing them money.  Money that there is no real use or purpose for ...
 
Oh crap
 

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Some details on Nike's involvement as detailed in the indictments.  Sounds like they paid $40-70M in money that may have been used by intermediaries as bribes.
 
FCPA may end up being a bitch here.
 
This is the real sponsorship issue.  If I'm a world cup sponsor's compliance officer/GC, I'm shitting my pants right now.
 

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One hour Outside The Lines special tonight on ESPN on this story. FIFA's presidential vote starts Friday morning 3:30am Eastern (9:30am local) time.