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One more thought after watching the welterweight fights of the last couple months:

Right now, I think any one of the Top 10 welterweights could move up to 154 and become a linear champ. 147 is that good, and 154 is that mediocre.

I wouldn't be surprised if one or more of the fighters who are ranked just out of the Top 5 decide to go that route. Look at someone like Joshua Clottey, who's a big strong welterweight that none of the top 147-pounders is going to want to fight.... does anyone doubt that he could go up to 154 and beat the likes of Simms, Alcine, Spinks, Kamarzin, Forrest, etc.?

I'd love to see a matchup with Clottey against fellow African Kassim Ouma.
 

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I just watched the fights On Demand...

Cintron looked very impressive. He's got strong, straight punches. Good reach and quickness. Another couple fights with Steward and he should able to hang with anyone in the division.

Gatti needed to brawl. I don't think he had the heart to drop his head, bully forward and crack to the body. I don't like this Gatti who's up on his toes with his hands down, he's not quick enough, and it's far too late in his career to change his style. Gomez looked good, but I think he punches too wide, and follows through way too much with his punches. He also doesn't have hardly any power. His punches are accurate though, and he has sharp reflexes, but I can't see him hanging with any of the top guys in the division.

I wasn't counting rounds, so I'm not sure if I'd have the Williams/Margarito fight a draw or in favor or Margarito. While I agree you have to give PW credit for his incredible work rate, I've never been a fan of the Sugar Ray Leonard style of flurrying arm punches to win points. A more competent ref would've warned PW for backhanding his jab with an open fist from the opening rounds. Williams obviously has quick hands and feet, but he never once did any damage to Margarito, which I believe counts for something. As good as PW's footwork is in taking angles or moving around the ring, his feet get very sloppy when he's being hit. Therefore, it was very hard to tell how seriously he was hurt. This was a really good fight though. It lacked the drama to make it a great fight, but it was entertaining to watch the whole way through. I think any of these guys beats Cotto fairly easily, though Miguel would probably feast on those big, thin bodies if he could make it inside. Welterweight is definitely the strongest division right now, and there are a lot of great fights out there.
 

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What a fantastic night of Boxing I had over here...

Steve Luevano completely obliterated Nicky Cook in their WBO Featherweight Title bout. He knocked Cook down 5 times before Cook finally stayed down in the 11th round. All but one of those knockdowns were on cracking body shots and all credit to Cook for getting back up and throwing a few nice shots of his own, but he should've stayed down after the 2nd knockdown in the 9th, he was in agony!

Amir Khan VERY nearly got beat by Willy Limond, before he stepped up big time and forced Limond to quit on his stool before the 9th round. Limond floored Khan with a beautiful combo mid-way through the 6th and then poured on the pressure looking for the win. All credit to Khan for surviving and then, after the break, coming out and destroying Limond for there on in. He knocked him down in the 7th, then cut and bruised Limond badly the rest of the way. We later found out that Limond had a broken nose AND a broken jaw by the time his corner stopped him from going out for the 9th.

Time for Gatti to retire, no doubt about it. Gomez was much better than I thought I must admit. First time I'd got a chance to see Kermit Cintron, he was just fantastic. Hope we see more of him over here. Some folk are still saying that Williams' win was an upset, the way he fought it certainly didn't seem like that to me. Where he goes from here, I don't know, but with Cotto looming, that division is certainly stacked!
 

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I wasn't counting rounds, so I'm not sure if I'd have the Williams/Margarito fight a draw or in favor or Margarito. While I agree you have to give PW credit for his incredible work rate, I've never been a fan of the Sugar Ray Leonard style of flurrying arm punches to win points. A more competent ref would've warned PW for backhanding his jab with an open fist from the opening rounds. Williams obviously has quick hands and feet, but he never once did any damage to Margarito, which I believe counts for something. As good as PW's footwork is in taking angles or moving around the ring, his feet get very sloppy when he's being hit. Therefore, it was very hard to tell how seriously he was hurt. This was a really good fight though. It lacked the drama to make it a great fight, but it was entertaining to watch the whole way through. I think any of these guys beats Cotto fairly easily, though Miguel would probably feast on those big, thin bodies if he could make it inside. Welterweight is definitely the strongest division right now, and there are a lot of great fights out there.
I normally favor the harder puncher over the volume puncher myself, but in this fight, through all of the early rounds, Margarito was not able to get anything accomplished. It's true that he caught the bulk of those punches on his gloves, but the problem was, he was stalled and wasn't coming back with anything of his own. In that case, you have to give the rounds to the busier guy. It took Margarito until somewhere around Round 7 to solve the puzzle, and even then he still had problems. Even later in the fight, while Margarito landed some good punches that "stung" Williams (in Williams' own words), he never landed the monster shot that could turn the fight around, or the devastating flurry. Williams seemed to take everything pretty well -- and he never stopped coming back with his own barrage. And as Marg's swollen eye indicated, enough of those punches did score. It wasn't just slapping.

I also found the "flicking" jab annoying. But I don't think the ref had a basis to call him on it. Williams would have had to been landing blatantly with the back of his glove rather than the knuckle area. As far as I could tell, the "scoring area" of the glove was the part making contact, so the punches were at least technically legal.

The thing that makes Williams a freak is that he's able to make 147 -- rather easily -- at 6'1" (at least 6'1" -- he looked closer to 6'3" to me). I see a lot of flaws in his game. Mostly, he has no real defense to speak of. His whole game plan is to overwhelm his opponent with work rate. I don't that will work quite as well once he moves up in weight. So the question about Paul Williams is, how long does his body cooperate in letting him stay at 147.
 

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The thing that makes Williams a freak is that he's able to make 147 -- rather easily -- at 6'1" (at least 6'1" -- he looked closer to 6'3" to me). I see a lot of flaws in his game. Mostly, he has no real defense to speak of. His whole game plan is to overwhelm his opponent with work rate. I don't that will work quite as well once he moves up in weight. So the question about Paul Williams is, how long does his body cooperate in letting him stay at 147.
You're right, in that volume punchers tend to not be the type of fighters who can effectively move up in weight.

The one thing that could save Williams if he stops being able to make 147, is that 154 is a barren wasteland right now. And really, 154 has always been "the division great welterweights go to when they can't make weight anymore."
It's only at 160 where the opponents are at a whole other level size and strength-wise.

I'm not sure I ever see Williams as a great middleweight. His physical comp is Hearns, but as we saw, their fighting styles aren't comparable. Hearns threw every punch with the intent of sending his opponent to the hospital. Williams is closer to Calzaghe in punching technique.

EDIT: I missed the Cintron fight on saturday but finally caught it this morning.... What a knockout. I wouldn't mind seeing Cotto-Cintron this fall.
 

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What a fantastic night of Boxing I had over here...

Steve Luevano completely obliterated Nicky Cook in their WBO Featherweight Title bout. He knocked Cook down 5 times before Cook finally stayed down in the 11th round. All but one of those knockdowns were on cracking body shots and all credit to Cook for getting back up and throwing a few nice shots of his own, but he should've stayed down after the 2nd knockdown in the 9th, he was in agony!

Amir Khan VERY nearly got beat by Willy Limond, before he stepped up big time and forced Limond to quit on his stool before the 9th round. Limond floored Khan with a beautiful combo mid-way through the 6th and then poured on the pressure looking for the win. All credit to Khan for surviving and then, after the break, coming out and destroying Limond for there on in. He knocked him down in the 7th, then cut and bruised Limond badly the rest of the way. We later found out that Limond had a broken nose AND a broken jaw by the time his corner stopped him from going out for the 9th.

Time for Gatti to retire, no doubt about it. Gomez was much better than I thought I must admit. First time I'd got a chance to see Kermit Cintron, he was just fantastic. Hope we see more of him over here. Some folk are still saying that Williams' win was an upset, the way he fought it certainly didn't seem like that to me. Where he goes from here, I don't know, but with Cotto looming, that division is certainly stacked!
Its highly amusing how the other British lightweights are now trying to arrange a fight with Khan on the back of that performance. Do they seriously think he will continue prancing around the ring with hands held low and chin out after that little experience? If he can learn from that mistake whilst retaining the speed and power then in a couple of years time when he fills out there aren't going to be many junior welters wanting to step into a ring with him.
 

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Just bought tickets for Calzaghe-Kessler! :gonk:

17,000 have already been sold according to the BBC and they're not too badly priced. From £40 ($81) in the upper tier of the stands to £500 ($1020) for near ringside. I've gone for the £50 seat, which is in the lower tier at one end of the Stadium.
 

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Its highly amusing how the other British lightweights are now trying to arrange a fight with Khan on the back of that performance. Do they seriously think he will continue prancing around the ring with hands held low and chin out after that little experience? If he can learn from that mistake whilst retaining the speed and power then in a couple of years time when he fills out there aren't going to be many junior welters wanting to step into a ring with him.
Couldn't agree more. The way his Trainer was yelling at him in the corner after the 6th round showed that. People have to remember he's still only 20 and has a lot to learn. The British Press are all over him if he takes on a soft touch, but he's still got a long way to go and those kind of fights are inevitable.
 

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Surprisingly, Khan won't be fighting on the undercard of Calzaghe-Kessler, he'll be fighting in early October instead.

You'd think that it would be good for his development to have a chance to fight in front of a crowd that may approach 50 or 60K.
 

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Just bought tickets for Calzaghe-Kessler! :)

17,000 have already been sold according to the BBC and they're not too badly priced. From £40 ($81) in the upper tier of the stands to £500 ($1020) for near ringside. I've gone for the £50 seat, which is in the lower tier at one end of the Stadium.
Hopefully these don't sell out for a while, I might go for a £40 one.
 

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Hopefully these don't sell out for a while, I might go for a £40 one.
As of right now, about 17,000 tickets have been sold. Just due to the sheer size of the place, I'm guessing there will be at least several thousands tickets available right up until fight night.

It'll be interesting to see just how many people this fight gets. To my knowledge, there have been only two indoor fights in history to top 60,000, and those were Ali-Spinks II at the Superdome in 1978, and Pernell Whitaker vs. Julio Cesar Chavez at the Alamodome in '93.

One could also easily claim that this is one of the 2 biggest fights in the history of this weight class, the other being James Toney vs. Roy Jones in '94.
 

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Anyone gonna fork over the cash to watch Winky and Bernard go at it on Saturday? I don't think I could do it, despite the fact that I love and appreciate tacticians in the ring. I'm going to say Winky takes this in a SD.

Predictions:
Calzaghe UD Kessler
Pavlik KO11 Taylor
 

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Anyone gonna fork over the cash to watch Winky and Bernard go at it on Saturday? I don't think I could do it, despite the fact that I love and appreciate tacticians in the ring. I'm going to say Winky takes this in a SD.

Predictions:
Calzaghe UD Kessler
Pavlik KO11 Taylor


I'm a huge Hopkins fan. I think I'd pay to watch him fight a mop. Which some of his fights look like. I'm just hoping for a little bit of action. Maybe a triple jab. lol. I'll take Bhop. He hits harder and after the first few rounds he'll have no respect for the feather fisted Wright. So I think he'll open it up just a bit. And even with all the talk about Winky being a big guy, I don't think he's gonna be as big as Bhop.
 

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I'm going with Winky by decision. I think he'll be the more active fighter, and that will get him the decision.

Just watched the Jones-Hanshaw fight. I had it even thru 10 rounds, but then Roy pulled out the last 2, including a 10-8 round in the 11th when he hurt Hanshaw and knocked him down.
Jones still has good hand speed, but the bounce in his legs is gone. He spent most of the fight on the ropes.

Hanshaw is a tough young fighter, and I'd like to see him down the road in a big fight at either 168 or 175.
 

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We're getting Winky-Hopkins for free over here, so I'm having another Boxing-filled Saturday night. Enzo Maccarinelli-Wayne Braithwaite (plus Arthur-Gogoladze and M'Baye-Rees all 3 are World Title fights) is on the same Channel as Khan was last week, then I'll, possibly depends on whether I need to sleep, turn over to watch Winky-Hopkins.

As for predictions -
Winky to win by decision in a snooze-fest
Calzaghe to win by decision in a much more entertaining scrap
Pavlik KO9 over Taylor
 

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I'm definitely buying this one. I enjoy tactical fights, at least when the tacticians are as skilled as these two. What I don't like is fighters who refuse to "go for it" even when they clearly have their opponent at a disadvantage (see Mayweather-Baldomir). Winky's been putting more emphasis on at least trying to "close the show" in his last few fights. And Hopkins is just a mean guy. If he sees a chance to hurt his opponent, he'll take it. Obviously we're not looking at Gatti-Ward here, but I think this fight has gotten a bad rap so far. I think it could be extremely interesting even though I admit that it's for purists only. This fight isn't going to win over any casual fans.

I have to take Winky by close but clear decision. His defense and jab are just too solid. I honestly can't picture anyone beating him right now, but maybe Hopkins will prove me wrong. Judging by the HBO Countdown show, it sure seems like Hopkins is taking his training a lot more seriously. Difficult to picture "Hard 'Nard" making late-night runs to Krispy Kreme.
 

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Obviously we're not looking at Gatti-Ward here, but I think this fight has gotten a bad rap so far.
Agreed. While this fight shouldn't be on PPV, there have been far worse PPVs over the years. At least you know this fight is going to be close and it's going to be competitive.

I'm stuck working on Saturday night, otherwise I would've spent the $50 on this one.

The card HBO should be taking crap for is the Forrest-Baldomir fight. I mean, was ANYONE clamoring to see that one? I thought Boxing After Dark was supposed to be about showcasing up-and-coming fighters?
 

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Well Gene, a tactical fight you will get. Winky will win it, but it will be close. I think age MIGHT catch up to Bernard in this fight. And to answer your question Grif, no.
 

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Well Gene, a tactical fight you will get. Winky will win it, but it will be close. I think age MIGHT catch up to Bernard in this fight. And to answer your question Grif, no.
I think boxing fans tend to confuse a "tactical" fight with a fight that has no action. I don't think that this will be a fight with no action. On the contrary, Winky has always had a fairly high punch output and while Hopkins is more conservative, when he sees his opening he goes for it. So I think we'll see a good deal of action in this fight. What we won't see is a toe-to-toe brawl -- but we won't see a boring Briggs-Liakhovich-like standoff either. I realize that what most fans love to see is the Gatti-Ward style "Pier 6 Brawl." Who doesn't love that? I know I do! But at least to me, if you like the sport of boxing contested on its highest level of skill, this should be a very intriguing matchup.
 

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I think boxing fans tend to confuse a "tactical" fight with a fight that has no action. I don't think that this will be a fight with no action. On the contrary, Winky has always had a fairly high punch output and while Hopkins is more conservative, when he sees his opening he goes for it. So I think we'll see a good deal of action in this fight. What we won't see is a toe-to-toe brawl -- but we won't see a boring Briggs-Liakhovich-like standoff either. I realize that what most fans love to see is the Gatti-Ward style "Pier 6 Brawl." Who doesn't love that? I know I do! But at least to me, if you like the sport of boxing contested on its highest level of skill, this should be a very intriguing matchup.
I completely agree with you. Tactical fights tend to feature two boxers with excellent jabs and defense (just like this one). Therefore, many of the "power punches" in the fight tend to be 2's finishing off a double or triple jab. These fights do have action, but not explosive action. I guess that's the difference. I love to see boxing contested on its highest level, but I would much rather prefer to see contrasting styles rather than similar styles in the ring.
 

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Hopkins and Wright just had a completely staged shoving match at the weigh-in, they were both laughing during it.

Hagler picks Winky, fwiw. Maybe he's partial to southpaws.

They both came in right at 170, which surprised me a bit. I thought Winky would be somewhere between 160-165.
 

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They both came in right at 170, which surprised me a bit. I thought Winky would be somewhere between 160-165.
Hey, Winky's a 35-year old man who walks around at 190. And by all accounts, including his own, he's a guy who likes to enjoy himself a bit. It can't be easy to drop 20 pounds for a fight and I'll bet that at this point, it's nearly impossible for him to drop 30.

I still like Winky in this fight based on his impenetrable defense and work rate with the jab. But I find myself more and more leaning toward the possibility that Hopkins might be able to pull it out based on superior conditioning and size. That shoving match was silly, but one thing it showed in those stare down pics was how much bigger Hopkins is than Winky.
 

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Hey, Winky's a 35-year old man who walks around at 190. And by all accounts, including his own, he's a guy who likes to enjoy himself a bit. It can't be easy to drop 20 pounds for a fight and I'll bet that at this point, it's nearly impossible for him to drop 30.
The reason I was surprised was because Winky said several times that his target weight was about 165 or 166.

I'm still picking Winky, but one thing that bothers me is that Winky keeps saying, "this is just a one-time thing, win or lose, I'm not a light heavyweight, I belong at 160," and so on...
Almost like he's giving himself a built-in excuse if he loses. Whereas Hopkins is constantly saying, "I have to win this if I want to keep fighting."
Not that I think Winky is mentally weak or anything, he's as tough as they come, it's just making me think twice about picking Winky.
 

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Also, I read that HBO is trying to put together a Boxing After Dark card for September featuring Humberto Soto vs. Joan Guzman. Now that's the type of fight BAD was supposed to be based on, two underrated fighters going against each other. In other words, the antithesis of the World Geriatric Title Fight between Forrest and Baldomir.

Soto may be one of the 15 best fighters in the world, IMO.
 

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Also, I read that HBO is trying to put together a Boxing After Dark card for September featuring Humberto Soto vs. Joan Guzman. Now that's the type of fight BAD was supposed to be based on, two underrated fighters going against each other. In other words, the antithesis of the World Geriatric Title Fight between Forrest and Baldomir.

Soto may be one of the 15 best fighters in the world, IMO.

You do know that Baldomir/Forrest will now turn out to be a barn-burner since you've been bashing it for the last month? lol.

Hopkins by UD tonight.
 

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Didn't see the fight, but was able to follow it round-by-round online.

It will be interesting to see where Hopkins goes from here. I assume he won't retire, since no fighter ever retires coming off a big victory.
He could try to fight the Calzaghe/Kessler winner, either at 168, 170, 175, wherever.
He could fight Roy Jones (although I've always said it'll be impossible to get the 2 most stubborn fighters in boxing to agree to financial terms).
He could try to lure Pavlik up in weight if he beats Taylor. I think this is unlikely because Pavlik will want to be the middleweight titlist for a while.
A cruiserweight beltholder? That's an underrated division, but I'm not sure anyone has a big enough name to get Hopkins the money he'd want.
A smaller heavyweight?
 

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As I expected, a good fight and in interesting fight. Not a great fight or a classic by any stretch, but as a boxing junkie, I don't regret dropping the bucks on the PPV, especially with that undercard. I agree with Max Kellerman -- I can't wait to see Michael Katsidis again. This guy is an absolute maniac. His face was pretty much hamburger after this fight, so it''ll probably be quite a while before we see Katsidis fight again. And unfortunately his opponent, the Filipino Czar Amonsot who also put on a hell of a show, ended up in the hospital with a subdural hematoma which luckily isn't thought to be life-threatening but probably means the end of his boxing career. The news of Amonsot's injury put a damper on what will certainly be held up as a FOY candidate.

If it hadn't been preceded by Katsidis-Amonsot, the battle between Jorge Linares and Oscar Larios would have been memorable in its own right. After seeing the birth of a star in Katsidis, we got to see another one in Linares. I have to give kudos to Golden Boy and HBO for staging such a great undercard, which they strangely did not do earlier this year in their biggest showcase, the De La Hoya-Mayweather fight. I would have loved for these fights to get an audience of 2 million people rather than the 200,000 (if that) which I would guess this PPV drew. Talk about showing the general public how exciting boxing can be!

Can't really say the same about the main event. Definitely the "purists only" bout that I thought it would be. The deep gash over Winky's left eye caused by a brutal head-clash made the fight, I have to admit, more interesting. I've noticed in his previous recent fights that Winky seems especially bothered by head butts and clashes. Not that any fighter likes them, but some are more stoic about it than others. Winky seemed very shaken up and distracted by this one.

I didn't score the fight, but my impression was that it was a bit closer than the judges had it. I thought in the end Hopkins pulled it out. His awkwardness never really let Winky get into that machine-like rhythm anyone who follows Winky is used to seeing. At certain points, Winky looked almost amateurish, winging wide haymakers that missed the target by feet. Whether it was the extra weight or the somewhat lax discipline of his training camp or both I'm not sure, by Winky appeared extremely tired and ragged by the end of this fight. Hopkins was relatively slow himself, but maintained his pace and his game plan throughout.

However, if the decision had gone the other way, it wouldn't have been a robbery.

After the fight, Hopkins called out Calzaghe for a fight in Yankee Stadium. I can't imagine Hopkins putting nearly enough people in the seats to make that a Stadium fight (in this country anyway). Especially this 42-year-old, slowing version of Hopkins. If Calzaghe gets by Kessler in November (which is anything but a sure thing) I think that fight may happen simply because there would be very little left for either of them to do in the sport. But I see it in Vegas again, or back in the UK.

Winky called out De La Hoya as he's been doing for years now. Fat chance. Winky would be best off retiring now, but I don't see that happening either.
 

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Winky called out De La Hoya as he's been doing for years now. Fat chance. Winky would be best off retiring now, but I don't see that happening either.
Fwiw, Oscar said the other day that he's not fighting Winky under any circumstances. Said Winky just has too much of a natural size advantage (I'm sure the fact that Winky's a much better fighter than Oscar plays a role too.)

Winky's best chance for a big fight IMO is if Pavlik beats Taylor and is willing to give Winky a title shot at 160.
 

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Fwiw, Oscar said the other day that he's not fighting Winky under any circumstances. Said Winky just has too much of a natural size advantage (I'm sure the fact that Winky's a much better fighter than Oscar plays a role too.)

Winky's best chance for a big fight IMO is if Pavlik beats Taylor and is willing to give Winky a title shot at 160.

You seem a very knowledgeable fight fan. Question is,does HBO own Taylor to the point that Pavlik=Taylor is on HBO and not PPV? Thanks for your reply.
 

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You seem a very knowledgeable fight fan. Question is,does HBO own Taylor to the point that Pavlik=Taylor is on HBO and not PPV? Thanks for your reply.
Pavlik-Taylor is definitely on regular HBO. Neither fighter has anywhere near the following it would take to make a break-even PPV.
 

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I know this is mostly a professional thread, but I'll report on the progress of one of the United States' finest amateur boxers,
Demetrius Andrade from Providence. He has moved into the semifinals of of the Pan Am Games, after defeating his opponent 24-4 in the quarterfinals. Here is his resume:
2007 NATIONAL GOLDEN GLOVES CHAMPION
2006 NATIONAL CHAMPION
2006 NATIONAL GOLDEN GLOVES CHAMPION
2005 NATIONAL CHAMPION

Demetrius Andrade's profile from USA Boxing
USA Boxing's Pan American Games Page
 

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I know this is mostly a professional thread, but I'll report on the progress of one of the United States' finest amateur boxers,
Demetrius Andrade from Providence. He has moved into the semifinals of of the Pan Am Games, after defeating his opponent 24-4 in the quarterfinals. Here is his resume:
2007 NATIONAL GOLDEN GLOVES CHAMPION
2006 NATIONAL CHAMPION
2006 NATIONAL GOLDEN GLOVES CHAMPION
2005 NATIONAL CHAMPION

Demetrius Andrade's profile from USA Boxing
USA Boxing's Pan American Games Page
Thanks for the links Eddie, I like reading about young prospects, especially local ones.

I assume he's training for the '08 Olympics and will then probably turn pro, right?
Did you ever train with him, compete in the same tournaments, etc.?
 

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I don't know if this was widely picked up upon, but I noticed that Hopkins and Wright were fighting for the Ring magazine light heavyweight title. Hopkins in particular was emphasizing that.

If Ring is stepping into the title system, this must surely be a good thing for the sport, as Ring is a trustworthy name, and could provide a handy alternative to the number of corrupt boxing councils which has definitely played a role in the decline of the sport.
 

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What a great night for us Brits on Saturday. Brits now almost totally own the Light-Welterweight Division after Gavin Rees joined Hatton and Witter as World Champs at the weight, with his domination of Soulemayne M'Baye.

Enzo Maccarinelli's fight with Wayne Braithwaite was excellent too. Macca's jab was in 'Big Truck's face all night and he finally knocked him down in the 5th. Braithwaite came back in the later stages, but he was pretty well beaten.

Alex Arthur also won to become the mandatory to Joan Guzman, but with Guzman expected to vacate and move up in weight, Arthur will probably become the new Champ. He dominated Philadelphia-based Georgian Kobo Gogoladze and the Ref stopped the fight in the 9th. Gogoladze is well-known for his dirty tactics, but he took it to the extreme losing points for both low blows and an intentional head-butt. That only seemed to fire up Arthur more as he knocked him down 3 times before the Ref finally stepped in.

As for Hopkins-Wright, it was a decent fight for the purist, but the undercard was astounding.

Sadly, ESPN.com is reporting that both Larios and Amonsot suffered brain bleeds following their fights and, thought they are both OK and the injuries not life-threatening, according to the Nevada Athletic Commission their careers are probably over.

Larios, Amonsot OK, but careers probably over.
 

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What a great night for us Brits on Saturday. Brits now almost totally own the Light-Welterweight Division after Gavin Rees joined Hatton and Witter as World Champs at the weight, with his domination of Soulemayne M'Baye.

Enzo Maccarinelli's fight with Wayne Braithwaite was excellent too. Macca's jab was in 'Big Truck's face all night and he finally knocked him down in the 5th. Braithwaite came back in the later stages, but he was pretty well beaten.
Just a great time for UK boxing right now.
Hatton and Calzaghe are both getting international attention and are the kings of their divisions.
Now Maccarinelli's win, Haye challenging for a belt in a few months, Khan being touted as one of the biggest prospects in the sport, etc.
Too bad Audley Harrison was a bust.

In related news, Oscar hinted at a possible fight with Hatton:
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We'll have to wait and see whether he's serious or if this is just a business tactic.
Dan Rafael has stated several times that he thinks Oscar is attempting to distract Hatton away from the negotiations with Mayweather, in an attempt to force Floyd to fight Mosley instead. A Mayweather-Mosley fight would of course make Oscar (Mosley's promoter) a ton of money.

I'm all for it if that's the way it works out. Mayweather-Mosley is a competitive fight, unlike Mayweather-Hatton.
 

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BBC Sport is claiming that another unification fight is going to be on the Calzaghe-Kessler undercard. Don King has said that he wants Steve Cunningham, who he promotes, to come over and face Enzo Maccarinelli to unify their Light-Heavyweight titles on the same bill. Even Maccarinelli is saying the deal 'is nearly done'.

This is going to be one hell of a night for Boxing if that one comes off too. I'm just glad I've got my ticket! :(
 

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Thanks for the links Eddie, I like reading about young prospects, especially local ones.

I assume he's training for the '08 Olympics and will then probably turn pro, right?
Did you ever train with him, compete in the same tournaments, etc.?
Yes, that's right. He spends a good part of his year at the national facility in Colorado Springs. I've meet him and his father a couple of times, he seemed like a nice guy when I talked to him. I've seen him fight a couple of times, most recently at the New England Golden Gloves Tournament of Champions in February. He fought the champion from Vermont, and he got the only stoppage of the night. From what I have seen, he is a great pro prospect. His power is evident, even with the larger gloves, shorter rounds, and head gear. I think (I'm not sure of this) that because he is the 2007 Golden Gloves Champion he gets to skip Olympic qualifying and go straight to the Olympic box-offs. If he were to lose in the box-offs, it is still possible he would make the team as a wild-card (that is how Roy Jones made the Olympic team). Looking at his dominant amateur record, it seems he would be a shoe-in wild card choice anyways.
 

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A bit of really good news. Filipino fight Czar Amonsot looks like he's OK after all, according to this story.


The Filipino pug complained of a severe headache after the fight, which was the reason he was brought to a nearby hospital in Las Vegas.

Three CT scans conducted on the boxer, however, showed no blood clot and Amonsot's cutman Tony Martin said the Filipino fighter is in high spirits at the hospital.
Amonsot is very young and despite losing his FOY-candidate battle with "The Great" Katsidis on Saturday, made a great impression on everyone who saw that fight and probably could build a very good career coming off that fight. It looked like the brain injury would end all of that. Now, hopefully, he can take some adequate time off, get retested to make sure everything's all right, and get back at it. Heck, a rematch with Katsidis would make a great Boxing After Dark main event.
 

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Speaking of punishment absorbed after fights, I came across this story not too long ago.

Less than an hour after 12,643 witnesses to their shared madness had stood and roared their approval for what they'd just done to each other for 10 rounds, the only sound either fighter heard was the constant beep of the heart monitors they were hooked up to in the Atlantic City Medical Center emergency room.

Occasionally, one or the other spoke, but not often and not loudly.

There wasn't much to say, nor much energy to say it. At one point, Gatti turned to a friend who sat next to his gurney, and said through badly swollen and discolored lips, "I wish I was better at golf." Then he laughed. She replied, "I do, too." She didn't laugh.

Barely a foot away lay Ward, who had fought his last fight to the final moment with double vision inflicted upon him by his close friend that would not be repaired for more than a year. He looked better than Gatti did, which is to say he did not look very good at all. Ward's forehead had a huge red lump in the middle of it, as if Gatti had drilled him with one of the golf balls they both like to hit, often wildly, when together on Florida golf courses. A cut above his left eye had been stitched up but a thin red line of dried blood ran down from the tip of it to his temple. No one thought to wipe it off, least of all Ward, who was too exhausted and sore.

His face was red with welts and one cheek looked like someone had run a plane over it a couple of times, sheering the skin raw. His right hand was discolored from the knuckle half way up his finger and both hands were bumpy, bruised and an angry blue.

Ward's chest had four monitors stuck on it. Another was attached to a finger. Occasionally he smiled at his fiancee and talked softly to a friend about what he had just endured. He didn't try to describe it. How do you describe being in three car wrecks with the same driver? How do you describe doing this to each other for 30 rounds? How do you explain to a civilian what the warrior's life is like or why you live it? Most simply, how do you explain that the two of you are friends?

Instead, you make small talk. You say you did your best and you talk about your respect for the other guy. It was what Ward said about Gatti and Gatti said of Ward. They chatted from time to time until they pulled the blue screen closed between them so a doctor could stitch up one or the other of them. Both had cut eyes, bloody noses, faces puffed and scraped.

Gatti's face was disfigured in a way that would have surprised Ward's 14-year-old daughter, who a week earlier had been asked by a New York Times reporter what she thought of the man her father had battled with such severe consequences twice already. She said she thought he was cute. Not after her father was done with him, he wasn't.

"Oh, that Micky Ward," Gatti said, admiration in his voice. "What heart he's got. Anybody else would have quit. Him? Every time I hurt him, he hit me harder. I got great respect for him but I'm glad I won't see him anymore."

People who pay to see such men fight have no idea what follows their hand-to-hand combat. Vaguely they understand there is pain and blood loss involved, but there is nothing concrete about it because the crowd doesn't follow them to the emergency room. They go alone or with a cornerman or family member. Or in the case of Arturo Gatti and Micky Ward they go with a friend - each other.

Outside, a siren screamed and a guy with a puncture wound was brought in. A fight breaks out in the waiting room between family members of the shooter and the shootee. A half-dozen cop cars show up to calm things down.

They could have come in handy when Ward and Gatti were assaulting each other, but they weren't there because the savagery the men engaged in was not only sanctioned by the state of New Jersey, it was taxed.

Ward laughed when a friend pointed that out then he reconfirmed the decision he made when the final fight of his brutal trilogy with Gatti was announced. "Some retirement party," he added.

On the other side of the thin blue cloth Arturo Gatti hears that and laughs. Then so does Micky Ward. Two friends, laughing through their pain.

For a moment the subject became more serious when Ward talked about a Gatti punch to the temple in the third round that left him seeing double.

His head still hurt enough that he was wheeled in for a CAT scan. When he came back he told Gatti, "They didn't find nothing in there. Why would they?"

They laughed again as hard as they could, which wasn't very hard because Ward's ribs ached and a few feet away Gatti lay wrapped in blankets from his chin to his toes. Even his arms were encased as they tried to raise his body temperature before putting a cast on the right hand he broke on Ward's hip in the fourth round.
 

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Just read that Bill Parcells will be doing ringside commentary on Friday Night Fights this week (supposedly he's a big fight fan). Andre Berto is in the main event.
 

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Also, from a UK paper, take it fwiw:
Ricky Hatton is expected to discover in the next 48 hours whether his mega-bucks showdown with Floyd Mayweather will take place later this year.

The Hitman's UK promoter Dennis Hobson is locked in talks with Mayweather's advisers and TV executives in the States, with a £5m offer to the five-weight world champion sitting on the table.

Hatton has already received the encouraging news that should his biggest pay-day fall through, "Golden Boy" Oscar de la Hoya has already offered to fill the gap, although that fight might have to wait until next summer, with Wembley touted as a likely venue.

Things have moved quickly since Hatton's fourth-round Las Vegas stoppage of Jose Luis Castillo just over a month ago.

Hatton delivered a few well-aimed barbs at Mayweather straight after that victory, declaring that he and Castillo had provided more action in four rounds than the master tactician from Michigan had managed in his whole career.

The teasing worked. Mayweather, said to be enjoying his "retirement" by touring night clubs, ordering gallons of the best champagne for his friends, hangers-on and bystanders, and then tossing 100-dollar bills to the crowd, had his ego pricked.
How much is 5 million pounds? Because I can't see Floyd fighting for less than 10 million US, he made 8+ just to fight Baldomir.

EDIT: Just watched Hopkins-Wright. Impossible fight to score, so many ugly close rounds. However, I had it 7-5 Winky, maybe 6-6. For a judge to score it 117-111, they would've had to give every single close round to Hopkins.
 

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Also, from a UK paper, take it fwiw:

How much is 5 million pounds? Because I can't see Floyd fighting for less than 10 million US, he made 8+ just to fight Baldomir.
At today's exchange rate it's about 10.2 million bucks. The weak dollar may help enable this fight to happen.
 

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Just read that Bill Parcells will be doing ringside commentary on Friday Night Fights this week (supposedly he's a big fight fan). Andre Berto is in the main event.
I just got a pair of ringside tickets for this card. Last time ESPN had FNF at the Saratoga Springs City Center I saw Vinnie Maddalone knock out Shannon Miller in one of the most entertaining heavyweight fights I've seen in the last 10 years... had 2nd row from the ring that night, too.

The Andre Berto vs Cosme Rivera main event should be really good. Rivera gave Jorge Julio all he could handle in his last bout, knocking him down in the 12th round before losing a decision. Big step up for Berto. Heavyweight riser Chazz Witherspoon is taking on Talmadge Griffis, as well. Should be a great time.

If anyone else here is attending, I'll be in ringside section G, middle of the 2nd row, guy with the salt/pepper hair.

Pugnacious Promotions has the full card listed now (Miller and Willingham won't be fighting as originally announced) on their website: pugnaciouspromotions.com. Should still be some ringside and general admission seats available.... most seats at the Saratoga Springs City Center are good, though -- its not a huge venue.
 

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I just got a pair of ringside tickets for this card. Last time ESPN had FNF at the Saratoga Springs City Center I saw Vinnie Maddalone knock out Shannon Miller in one of the most entertaining heavyweight fights I've seen in the last 10 years... had 2nd row from the ring that night, too.

The Andre Berto vs Cosme Rivera main event should be really good. Rivera gave Jorge Julio all he could handle in his last bout, knocking him down in the 12th round before losing a decision. Big step up for Berto. Heavyweight riser Chazz Witherspoon is taking on Talmadge Griffis, as well. Should be a great time.

If anyone else here is attending, I'll be in ringside section G, middle of the 2nd row, guy with the salt/pepper hair.

Pugnacious Promotions has the full card listed now (Miller and Willingham won't be fighting as originally announced) on their website: pugnaciouspromotions.com. Should still be some ringside and general admission seats available.... most seats at the Saratoga Springs City Center are good, though -- its not a huge venue.
That's very cool, LJ. I'm jealous. Saratoga's actually not too far from where I grew up.

The first pro fight I ever saw in person was over in Troy, NY: Mike Tyson vs. Jesse Ferguson. I think you may be seeing something equivalent to that, at the welterweight level, because Berto is nothing if not a welterweight Tyson. And like Ferguson was for Tyson, Rivera poses the first real test for Berto. While Berto should win this one without too much trouble, but he's the type of "gateway" fighter who should let us see what a young lion like Berto is really made of.

Unlike the heavyweights in the era of the young Tyson, however, the welterweight division is incredibly stacked right now. In 1986, there was no doubt that Tyson was going to be champ. But as Berto progresses over the following year, there's no guarantee he'll be able to handle the likes of Cotto, Williams, Cintron, Margarito or even Judah -- or for that matter, Mayweather. But I think this Friday's fight will go a long way toward showing whether Berto is going to ever have a chance against those guys (and other top welters) or if he's just a one-dimensional puncher who'll get steamrolled once he's in against an elite boxer.

Have a great time!!
 

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According to Arum, talks are progressing for a Cotto-Mosley fight at MSG on November 10. I'll be first in line for tickets to that one.
Also on the "big fights upcoming" beat, looks Chad Dawson vs. Antonio Tarver is on for Sept. 29.

It'll be on Showtime. So if you don't have a DVR, get one now because that's the same night as Taylor-Pavlik on HBO.

It also looks like Ricky Hatton is going to fight Mayweather on Dec. 1. Seems Oscar won't be ready to fight until next spring and Hatton doesn't want to wait that long.