SportsCenter & OTL Bringing Back Spygate (live, 9AM)
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I've been cynical about the owners ability to rationally look at Goodell and separate his performance from the finances of the league, but this may just be a bridge to far. This looks like the league is so hell bent on destroying the Patriots that they will burn down the whole league. I've been amazed at their ability to look the other way when it's Goodell attacking some other team, but there is no way that the silent majority doesn't start to rise up and say enough. You can't open the season by rehashing an 8 year old "scandal" after getting battered about another "scandal" for the last 7 months. This is no way to run league and there has to be enough sense within the Management Council to realize the clown show in NY has run it's course.
I eagerly await the Spygate In Context site collecting all these quotes in one easy to find place.
Hendu Candu said:
If the Pats cheated, what kind of chicanery did the Giants pull to beat them? Twice!
And some of the non-Pats fans in BBTL wonder why we're so fucking touchy. This is beyond the pale.
There are no depths these jackals won't stoop to. I caught some flak in the deflategate thread the other night for suggesting we should lock it, we had won, it was over until the appeal next spring, and it was becoming a redundant exercise in hurt feelings. I was so fucking wrong. These motheruckers will not stop in their smear campaign. Win as many more as you can, TB and BB. When their run is over, this fucking league can burn to the ground for all I care.
Red(s)HawksFan said:
Those were post Spygate, what's why they lost remember?
NO SUPER BOWLS SINCE SPYGATEZ!!!
I am stunned. ESPN's response to overblowing the Deflategate story for 7+ months is to rehash fucking SPYGATE from 8 years ago? The Pats need to go scorched earth on all of this bullshit. Tear it all down. Belichick should have a press conference spilling all of his dirt on every team in the history of the NFL. I'm sick of this constant nonsense.
My honest take on this is that anything is possible---and the way we separate 'possible' from 'actually happened' is by looking at evidence. So any of these claims are as valid as the evidence put forward. If there isn't any, then so what? If there is....people can cite it.
The narrative won't change for many, but all we can do is keep pushing people to think critically about what is demonstrated by evidence and what represents unsupported assumptions.
I suspect this will continue to be wholly of the latter type
The narrative won't change for many, but all we can do is keep pushing people to think critically about what is demonstrated by evidence and what represents unsupported assumptions.
I suspect this will continue to be wholly of the latter type
Red(s)HawksFan said:
The real story here is that the Patriots actually must have been TERRIBLE at cheating because they knew all the plays and STILL only won those Super Bowls by 3 points each. Why hasn't the media picked up on this?
the taping of 40 some odd games from 2000-2007...when was the taping made illegal? When was the warning letter sent out?
Hmmm. Wonder how they missed this little nugget: http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nfl--nfl-constant--patriots-have-racked-up-wins-before-and-since-spygate-011333070.html
Then Patriots go 12-4 in 2013, followed by ho-hum another 12-4 last year. So that's a cool 100-34. Which means:
Then Patriots go 12-4 in 2013, followed by ho-hum another 12-4 last year. So that's a cool 100-34. Which means:
- Six seasons before Spygate: .729 winning %
- Eight seasons after Spygate: .746 winning %
If you put any professional sports team under this level of scrutiny and take everything their rivals say as fact, which franchise doesn't come off looking shady? It's hilarious that ESPN just chose to rehash this 8 year old story in the wake of Brady wiping the floor with Goodell in court.
I'm still eagerly awaiting the explanation of how the Patriots win percentage increased and they went from good offensive team to historic powerhouse after they stopped taping the signals that were crucial to their success.
I'm still eagerly awaiting the explanation of how the Patriots win percentage increased and they went from good offensive team to historic powerhouse after they stopped taping the signals that were crucial to their success.
.SeoulSoxFan said:
You know what the mouthbreathers are going to say, right? "That's when they started deflating the balls!". This is literally what ESPNFL wants people to think.
I'm not angry, just floored that this is real life.
No mention in that whole article that taping signals was legal in every part of the stadium except on the sidelines.
The NFL really is a bunch if sore losers. Too arrogant to think that maybe, just maybe they were out coached and out played.
It's called coaching and practice especially with two weeks.
We saw it with the practice footage that had Butler and company prepared.
It's called coaching and practice especially with two weeks.
We saw it with the practice footage that had Butler and company prepared.
RedOctober3829 said:
Which makes the whole thing so dumb. It's perplexing that Belichick just didn't film from anywhere else.
BigJimEd said:
It's almost as if having a whole staff of coaches and scouts breaking down film of a team's previous games can give them an incredible insight into play calling tendencies in certain situations. Having arguably the greatest quarterback of all time reading a defense in real time could help too, but I don't know.
As usual, Curran is not taking any BS:
@tomecurran The story promised in the lede that it would explainihow 07 affected '15. Instead, 70 percent is rehash of 8-year-old story.
This shit really shouldn't get me mad, but it still does. It's really incredible that Patriots have continued to block out all the negative crap and keeps on winning. A lesser team would have gone to the toilets.
@tomecurran The story promised in the lede that it would explainihow 07 affected '15. Instead, 70 percent is rehash of 8-year-old story.
This shit really shouldn't get me mad, but it still does. It's really incredible that Patriots have continued to block out all the negative crap and keeps on winning. A lesser team would have gone to the toilets.
In response to this story the Patriots should troll ESPN by immediately signing Tebow.
Heads would literally explode in Bristol due to the internal conflict.
Heads would literally explode in Bristol due to the internal conflict.
The Patriots of MLB - the Cardinals - ADMITTED to hacking another teams computers to get insider information.
But these are the stories that resonate as CHEATING.
What in the everlasting fuck.
But these are the stories that resonate as CHEATING.
What in the everlasting fuck.
My theory all along continues to be not that Goodell was trying to protect the Patriots during Spygate – but that as a veteran of the League office understood that it could cause football's sordid culture of gamesmanship to bubble to the surface and taint the game.
The Martz stuff, which people are focusing on in this OTL report, goes exactly to this point. Look past the piece that Martz thinks something happened (newsflash: coaches and players who were bested by BB tend to be jealous and suspicious). Focus instead on the fact that Goodell sounds like he was begging him not to stoke the flames of Spygate by going into the walkthrough issue and opening a massive fan of worms.
Effectively, the message out of Spygate was that one team was violating the rules. The problem is that the owners all interpreted Goodell's perceived short circuiting of the investigation as the League letting the Patriots off easy. Hence, the massive overcorrection you see in DFG.
The Martz stuff, which people are focusing on in this OTL report, goes exactly to this point. Look past the piece that Martz thinks something happened (newsflash: coaches and players who were bested by BB tend to be jealous and suspicious). Focus instead on the fact that Goodell sounds like he was begging him not to stoke the flames of Spygate by going into the walkthrough issue and opening a massive fan of worms.
Effectively, the message out of Spygate was that one team was violating the rules. The problem is that the owners all interpreted Goodell's perceived short circuiting of the investigation as the League letting the Patriots off easy. Hence, the massive overcorrection you see in DFG.
If this 14 year run occurred in basically any previous 14-year span in NFL history, Belichick and this franchise would be revered as gods. Only the ghost of Ed Sabol himself would be worthy to talk about them.
DrewDawg said:
I love the bit about the Eagles being perplexed at Brady carving their newly unveiled dime scheme they had never used before. Wow, so inventive! I'm sure Brady had never even seen a dime formation before, how could he possibly know where to go with the ball if he weren't cheating?
This is truly amazing... ESPNFL is not even trying to be clandestine about this anymore. Blatant trolling.