The Fat Panda Thread
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John Tomase @jtomase 1m1 minute ago
Attachment 40 of CBA on social media: "A Player may be disciplined by either Commissioner or his Club..but not by both for the same conduct"
Attachment 40 of CBA on social media: "A Player may be disciplined by either Commissioner or his Club..but not by both for the same conduct"
. What was that line supposedly from Lincoln about getting whiskey for all the generals given Grant's success?Corsi said:
Abominable? Please tell me this is hyperbole.Captaincoop said:
I mean, he's played like shit, and he deserves his punishment for this stupidity, but - come on. Darren Sharper is "abominable". Pablo Sandoval is a lunkhead, underperforming relative to his contract.
Is he benched or suspended? If team and MLB only get one shot at discipline it seems like a fine would be in order in addition to the benching.
No punishment discussion is complete without this asshole:
It still amazes this jack-off is being adored by the MFY fans.
It still amazes this jack-off is being adored by the MFY fans.
Given the amount of time ball players spend sitting around during games, in dugouts, bullpens, or clubhouses, I think a total ban on social media during games is necessary. Imagine the shitstorms if guys are tweeting at each other, to say nothing about the potential for gambling abuse. I am 100% onboard.rembrat said:
and they get the same result by interacting with the actual fans... Particularly in the bull pen.OilCanShotTupac said:
The surprises that are part of this shit-filled season just keep coming...
Why couldn't he have done this when he wasn't hitting? Or better yet, before the game he booted away at 3rd base?
Why couldn't he have done this when he wasn't hitting? Or better yet, before the game he booted away at 3rd base?
Wasn't, at the least, he supposed to be a likeable character when they signed him? I pretty much despise him.
Apologies for the P&G nature of this post but I have nothing positive to say about him. Crawford redux, maybe worse.
Apologies for the P&G nature of this post but I have nothing positive to say about him. Crawford redux, maybe worse.
I'm a bit miffed at how he seemed to be half-laughing it off when asked about the incident/discipline.
Maybe I'm taking it too seriously, but laughing and grinning about it comes off as extremely disrespectful to both Farrell and his teammates.
Maybe I'm taking it too seriously, but laughing and grinning about it comes off as extremely disrespectful to both Farrell and his teammates.
I disagree.....Panda is most definitely a slumpbuster. I look for Diva Legacy to catch fire from here on out.PaulinMyrBch said:
soxhop411 said:
Oh, MLB says so! Well then, they are an absolute moral authority. Who are we to question their uprightness.
Put me in the category of BFD. Being suspended for this is the height of zero tolerance stupidity.
But it is a BFD. For insider trading type reasons. Unplug and play the fucking game. Also known as the full-time job of a professional baseball player.Plympton91 said:
anyone want to take a guess on the cost of unloading Sandoval at this point?
I'll take a stab, pay the rest of this years and half of next years salary. Roughly $20MM
I'll take a stab, pay the rest of this years and half of next years salary. Roughly $20MM
At the Braves game tonight, they run a news type update on the Jumbotron between innings about halfway through the game. They start with do's and don'ts of MLB. The first story was Sandoval complete with pics and a description that he was suspended for tonight's game for using social media during last nights game. They flash a few pics of Panda and an Instagram logo, then moved on to the next "story". I couldn't believe it.
benhogan said:
Pablo was one of those free agents who instantly lost a lot of value the moment we drove off the lot. Without the fan favorite resign factor in SF, or the chance some dumbass buys heavily into a fresh "look what he just did in the playoffs!", i can't see anybody putting themselves into a position where they are stuck paying Panda's back end $17-18/per in full for any one season.
He'd be an extremely hard piece to sell off without shooting yourself in the foot imo. Best case scenario we are eating most of what's left on this year's deal, another $5m/per for the remaining duration, and probably have to work something out on the $5m buyout as well.
He's been abysmal defensively, but it remains to be seen if he's just in a rough patch or is descending into a Steve Sax-style hell. I see no reason yet to believe it will be the latter and not the former. Offensively, he's strung together a nice run in June. As for the phone thing, in his statements he didn't try to fob anything off on hackers or whatnot, and also noted he let his teammates down. It was notable that he was one of the few Sox seen talking to Miley on the bench after his blowup with Farrell. This whole situation with Sandoval could significantly improve in a short time. Yes, he will still be the "Fat Panda" in any event.
I didn't like the signing at the time but if you actually pay to dump Panda you must have a contingency plan for a replacement. So after you dump Panda who plays 3B for the Red Sox?benhogan said:
I don't see that its that big a deal really, and I doubt its the first time a Red Sox player used his phone in the clubhouse during a game. Somehow this came out, maybe it does not if the team was playing better. But then I didnt think chicken and beer was much more than an excuse to get rid of Tito and put some players on notice.
I don't think Pablo is long for the Red Sox. Pretty sure he will go the way of Edgar Renteria with the Red Sox paying much of his salary the next few years. What they have to send with him or take on to get it done can be discussed elsewhere. JMO.
I don't think Pablo is long for the Red Sox. Pretty sure he will go the way of Edgar Renteria with the Red Sox paying much of his salary the next few years. What they have to send with him or take on to get it done can be discussed elsewhere. JMO.
FYI... social media posts come out in real time to the Internet and all followers. Not much investigative reporting is needed only better talent evaluation and acquisition to better play baseball.
Did that last year. Holt and his value is tied to being an amazing super sub. He can play anywhere. His value takes a hit if he's only a 3rd baseman. I guess you could always move Betts but I don't think he's ever played the position before and having him learn a 3rd position in 3 years might stunt development.Plympton91 said:
I'm probably in the minority here but I think both signings will end up being fine to a degree. The league is changing what they define as 20 million dollar a year talent. I'm not optimistic on Porcello living up to his deal however. Remember if prime Manny was a free agent right now instead of the early 2000's he would probably command close to 30 million if not 30.
Tyrone Biggums said:
I'm with you. For the next couple to few years they should have very cheap or at least very reasonably priced players at C, 2B, SS, CF, RF and a couple of pitching spots. This allows them to spend a little to address a need. 3B was a need and it's not like they gave him 7 or 8 years. He could easily end up being worth his contract over the course of 5 years but even if they overpaid it certainly shouldn't impact their ability to fill other holes.
Some people learn the hard way. If he goes on to continue his poor play in the field and finishes with a slash line south of his 2014 it might drive him to take his off season and in season conditioning a lot more seriously. Being fat and performing poorly on TV is a great motivator.
rembrat said:
Only if you give a shit what other people think. A $20M/year income makes it a lot easier not to.
Savin Hillbilly said:
I don't know enough about him but I don't think Panda is *that* guy. I believe he's been content with his physical appearance because he could always point to his performance and count on it being above average by season's end. And I also believe when fat athletes start to see their performance slip they start turning over stones they hadn't before looking for solutions.
Just to name a few there's Sabathia who found motivation after his fastball velocity disappeared, Joe Blanton was out of baseball briefly until he showed up 50lbs lighter and pitching well for the Royals, and Prince Fielder after hitting his 30's and sucking ass last year switched up to a MMA style conditioning program and it seems to have worked wonders.
Eh - the weight thing is overplayed. He dropped a ton of weight a year or two ago and played abysmally until June.
His errors have mostly been throwing and don't believe his hitting has anything to do with how many bills he's packing.
Let's worry about that when he actually looks immobile.
After Mustard on Johnson and Butchie have their unfunny takes and he has a good game or two, no one will care about this last incident.
His errors have mostly been throwing and don't believe his hitting has anything to do with how many bills he's packing.
Let's worry about that when he actually looks immobile.
After Mustard on Johnson and Butchie have their unfunny takes and he has a good game or two, no one will care about this last incident.
Harry Hooper said:
It's been pointed out here before that when he gets toward the upper end of a weight cycle, his hitting doesn't suffer, but he can't bend over to field grounders, nor is he as quick to ground balls. So, his overall fielding gets poorer. Think about it, he's 5'11", maybe, and he gets up to 280 lbs at his heaviest. Who in the history of ever can be athletic at 5'11", 280?grimshaw said:
Holt could handle 3rd and if he focused on that one position he'd probably improve defensively. He looks like a guy that is not afraid to put in the work that is necessary.Tyrone Biggums said:
If we don't go the 'Renteria' route and stick with Panda, we should look at getting a RHH back up utility IF/3rd basemen that can hit LHP (something better then Jeff Bianchi , Valencia-esque). Pablo will need more days off then most with the wear and tear he will put on his body/knees.
grimshaw said:
He's a streaky guy, and maybe he played abysmally thinner because he was on one of his cold streaks. Now obviously, the fact that he was useless this May could also be attributed to a bad streak and not the weight.
But the Sox have him signed until he is 33. If he doesn't get into better shape, he's likely to be a disaster on the wrong side of 30.
For all the justified concern the Sox had over what Jon Lester would be able to do four or five years down the road, it's amazing to me that they gave five years and $95M to a guy who has never been able to stay in shape in his 20s and who specifically said he objected to the Giants' concerns over his weight.
