The Michael McCorkle "Mac" Jones Thread

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Mac Jones in the first half helped the Pats to a 13-3 lead.

And then in the second half, here's what he did:

completion for 11
completion for 13
completion for -2
sack for -4
RESULT: FG good to answer Buffalo's score to open the half

completion for 26
completion for 5
completion for 19
completion for 4 (TD)
RESULT: Touchdown

incompletion
completion for 9, but Bourne fumbles, recovered by Buffalo
RESULT: Turnover

completion for 34
completion for -3
completion for 14 (on 3rd and 8)
completion for 8
completion for 10
incompletion
completion for 1 (TD)
RESULT: Touchdown, following a Bills' TD to win the game!

TOTAL: 14-16 (87.5%), 149 yds, 9.3 y/a, 2 td, 0 int, one sack for -4

That's pretty frigging tremendous.

And though he had a fumble (fortunately recovered by NE) on that -4 yard sack that was erased by a Buffalo penalty, he also had a 22 yard completion erased by an illegal man downfield penalty (that had no bearing on the play).
He also had at least one really brutal throw that could have been picked. Bill's defense didn't capitalize when they were handed chances.
 

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He also had at least one really brutal throw that could have been picked. Bill's defense didn't capitalize when they were handed chances.
And a bad sack that happened because he ducked and covered despite having good enough protection to get the ball out. Still made a big step today.
 

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He floats so many passes. I’m not smart enough to know if those are all attempts at “touch” or if his arm/footwork is letting him down sometimes. When they keep him short it’s not a huge factor, so maybe that’s gotta be the plan - establish the run and take the short throws when they’re there.
 

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He floats so many passes. I’m not smart enough to know if those are all attempts at “touch” or if his arm/footwork is letting him down sometimes. When they keep him short it’s not a huge factor, so maybe that’s gotta be the plan - establish the run and take the short throws when they’re there.
I think all QBs float some. They get the benefit of being called "touch passes." The thing about Mac is that he almost never throws a heater.
 

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He also had at least one really brutal throw that could have been picked. Bill's defense didn't capitalize when they were handed chances.
Which one was that? I heard some people in the game thread complain about the late pass to Douglas at the 1 but that throw looked on target.
 

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Which one was that? I heard some people in the game thread complain about the late pass to Douglas at the 1 but that throw looked on target.
There was one in the 4th where the defender jumped the route and had a pick in his hands. But he dropped it thankfully. Short pass and Mac locked in. It happens.
 

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There was one in the 4th where the defender jumped the route and had a pick in his hands. But he dropped it thankfully. Short pass and Mac locked in. It happens.
Wasn't that the one that replay showed was deflected? Or was that a different one?
 

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OK. That’s not great either.
I mean, no, of course not, but those happen to everyone. It's not reasonable to look at a game where he completes 25-30 for 272 yds, 2 td, 0 int, and leads a dramatic fourth quarter, last minute comeback to beat Buffalo (while going 14-16 in the second half) and nitpick him for a tipped pass.
 

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I mean, no, of course not, but those happen to everyone. It's not reasonable to look at a game where he completes 25-30 for 272 yds, 2 td, 0 int, and leads a dramatic fourth quarter, last minute comeback to beat Buffalo (while going 14-16 in the second half) and nitpick him for a tipped pass.
I wasn’t nitpicking him. The defender was jumping that play regardless of the tip.

I said he had a good game. He did. Just gotta keep addressing the mistakes. There were still a bunch of them.
 

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I wasn’t nitpicking him. The defender was jumping that play regardless of the tip.

I said he had a good game. He did. Just gotta keep addressing the mistakes. There were still a bunch of them.
A few. Not a bunch. When you go 25-30 (and 14-16 in the second half), and lead your team to 3 scores (2 TD and a FG) in your four second half possessions, you aren't making that many mistakes.
 

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I wasn’t nitpicking him. The defender was jumping that play regardless of the tip.

I said he had a good game. He did. Just gotta keep addressing the mistakes. There were still a bunch of them.
Every QB in the NFL makes mistakes. If that is your bar, you will hate every QB, every game.

But the best QB shine in the biggest moments. For one day, Mac shined in the biggest moment. For the first time in his career.
 

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Lots of bad passes noted here for a guy that went 25 for 30.
I mean, Mac had an awesome comeback win. It was a great game.

But he had a pass tipped, so it was actually pathetic. No other QB in the league has incomplete passes, ever. Every one, 100% completion percentage.
 

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Just for fun, what would he have to do to have a "great" game - being consistent within yourself for how you view other "great" games by QBs across the league?
Eh that’s not a fun game, to be honest. He played well and they won. Im very happy for him, the team, and me.
 

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Every QB in the NFL makes mistakes. If that is your bar, you will hate every QB, every game.

But the best QB shine in the biggest moments. For one day, Mac shined in the biggest moment. For the first time in his career.
That’s not my bar. What the hell? He had a good game and they won.

I commented on one specific point. And I literally said “it happens”. Geez.
 

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Well that’s super creepy.

*edit*. There’s like 15 years of posts here. Feel free to look up any of the several thousand I made about Brady.
Creepy? Really? We're having a discussion of how good a game Mac had and I think you're underselling his performance today, and it's "creepy" for me to know what you think constitutes a "great" (instead of merely a "good") game? Creepy? I mean, I'm not stalking you or anything. I'm just asking a direct question 100% in the context of, and totally relevant to, our conversation.
 

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A few. Not a bunch. When you go 25-30 (and 14-16 in the second half), and lead your team to 3 scores (2 TD and a FG) in your four second half possessions, you aren't making that many mistakes.
30/30 for 500 yards 6tds, 0 ints, no ball anywhere near a defender, zero sacks taken, maybe 3 rushes for 51 yards on third down conversions, only passes thrown on balance and hit every receiver directly in the numbers in stride, a bunch of happy smiles on the sidelines, and a perfect press conference.


Duhh
 

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30/30 for 500 yards 6tds, 0 ints, no ball anywhere near a defender, zero sacks taken, maybe 3 rushes for 51 yards on third down conversions, only passes thrown on balance and hit every receiver directly in the numbers in stride, a bunch of happy smiles on the sidelines, and a perfect press conference.


Duhh
Well I don't think anyone would say that *wasn't* a great game!
 

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Some would. Too many tight windows and contested catches.
Tomorrow that Jones guy on WEEI is going to refer to these "bad" plays and say he got lucky, and say things like, "You want me to get all fired up because for ONCE in his career he finally got it done? While the Pats are 2-5 and in last place?"
 

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Tomorrow that Jones guy on WEEI is going to refer to these "bad" plays and say he got lucky, and say things like, "You want me to get all fired up because for ONCE in his career he finally got it done? While the Pats are 2-5 and in last place?"
The second half of the sentence isn’t wrong though.
 

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The second half of the sentence isn’t wrong though.
Of course. That's the excuse he'll have for why he isn't going to praise Mac Jones. He'll say, "Ok he had a good game. Flawed, but a good game. Congrats. But you expect me to get all excited about this?"

I'm like...uh, if you're not excited as a Patriot fan to see your team beat Buffalo with this kind of QB-led last minute comeback victory, when are you ever going to be excited?
 

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I'm like...uh, if you're not excited as a Patriot fan to see your team beat Buffalo with this kind of QB-led last minute comeback victory, when are you ever going to be excited?
According to the game thread, it's when they get the No. 2 pick
 

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Creepy? Really? We're having a discussion of how good a game Mac had and I think you're underselling his performance today, and it's "creepy" for me to know what you think constitutes a "great" (instead of merely a "good") game? Creepy? I mean, I'm not stalking you or anything. I'm just asking a direct question 100% in the context of, and totally relevant to, our conversation.
It was a joke. My goodness.
 

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"He's gotta address his mistakes. There were a bunch of them."
Every QB makes mistakes. Even great QBs who play great and win. There were a half dozen plays off the top of my head that he’ll see on film and want to improve for next week. That’s fine. He still played well and they won. I hope he keeps playing well and they win more.

There are some Never Mac folks here. I’m not one of them. Feel free to train your fire on them.
 

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Of course. That's the excuse he'll have for why he isn't going to praise Mac Jones. He'll say, "Ok he had a good game. Flawed, but a good game. Congrats. But you expect me to get all excited about this?"

I'm like...uh, if you're not excited as a Patriot fan to see your team beat Buffalo with this kind of QB-led last minute comeback victory, when are you ever going to be excited?
I was excited at 4pm today. I won’t be excited about next week because of 4pm today. YMMV. I am currently still 100% done with Mac. Now if we see more of the same next week… talk to me.
 

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They aren't everything, but Mac had a QB rating of 126.7 and a QBR of 77.9. The only QBs to beat him in either category this week were Mahomes, Jackson and Lawrence. It was a good game against a really good defense (Bills came into today ranked 3rd in points allowed and 5th in yards allowed). If he can average this for the next 10 games, maybe he'll still have a job next year.
 

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They aren't everything, but Mac had a QB rating of 126.7 and a QBR of 77.9. The only QBs to beat him in either category this week were Mahomes, Jackson and Lawrence. It was a good game against a really good defense (Bills came into today ranked 3rd in points allowed and 5th in yards allowed). If he can average this for the next 10 games, maybe he'll still have a job next year.
It’s unfortunate that we’re in Miami next week, since we always play so horribly there. Next 5 games after that are all very winnable, and a real opportunity for Mac to string together some strong outings.
 

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They aren't everything, but Mac had a QB rating of 126.7 and a QBR of 77.9. The only QBs to beat him in either category this week were Mahomes, Jackson and Lawrence. It was a good game against a really good defense (Bills came into today ranked 3rd in points allowed and 5th in yards allowed). If he can average this for the next 10 games, maybe he'll still have a job next year.
If he can average a 126.7 rating over 11 games, not only will he have a job next year, they'll start talking about him as one of the 3-4 best QB's in the league.


Tom Brady has only had 4 games in an entire season with a QB rating higher than 126.7 twice in his career (2007 and 2010). In his last 5 seasons in the NFL, I think he had a grand total of 7 games with a rating that high.

If Mac averages a 126.7 for 11 games in a 17 game season, we can start talking about Canton. It's nice to have good aspirations, but there is a reality here too.