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I think this actually might be my favorite Tom Brady game of all time...I will remember him for that game more than anything else I think maybe second to his SB winning drive in 2001.
He took an absolute beating in that game and still hung in there to lead them on that potentially game-tying drive. The fourth down throw to Gronkowski down the middle was insane.
 

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I think this actually might be my favorite Tom Brady game of all time...I will remember him for that game more than anything else I think maybe second to his SB winning drive in 2001.
I get the sentiment, but man, that first interception he threw just killed the Pats. 7-6 game, Denver had no offense, and he gave them a 16 yard field.
 

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Peyton Manning's last Super Bowl run:
Den 23, Pit 16. Peyton: 21-37, 222 yds, 0 td, 0 int
Den 20, NE 18. Peyton: 17-32, 176 yds, 2 td, 0 int
Den 24, Car 10. Peyton: 13-23, 141 yds, 0 td, 1 int
TOT: 51-92 (55.4%), 539 yds, 2 td, 1 int, 75.4 rating
*Peyton's team averaged 22.3 points a game; their defense averaged 14.7 points allowed.

Tom Brady's previous Super Bowl run:
NE 41, LAC 28. Brady: 34-44, 343 yds, 1 td, 0 int
NE 37, KC 31. Brady: 30-46, 348 yds, 1 td, 2 int
NE 13, LAR 3. Brady: 21-35, 262 yds, 0 td, 1 int
TOT: 85-125 (68.0%), 953 yds, 2 td, 3 int, 85.9 rating
*Brady's team averaged 30.3 points a game; their defense averaged 20.7 points allowed.

Tom Brady's current Super Bowl run:
TB 31, Was 23. Brady: 22-40, 381 yds, 2 td, 0 int
TB 30, NO 20. Brady: 18-33, 199 yds, 2 td, 0 int
TB 31, GB 26. Brady: 20-36, 280 yds, 3 td, 3 int
TOT: 60-109 (55.0%), 860 yds, 7 td, 3 int, 90.8 rating
* Brady's team averaged 30.7 points a game; their defense averaged 23.0 points allowed.

Clearly Peyton relied on his defense MUCH MUCH MUCH more than Brady has relied on his.
Those Peyton numbers don't do him justice. He was so, so bad that entire season and legitimately got benched for Brock Osweiler. Remember that game in KC when he broke the all-time passing yard record, and then got benched? Him getting that last ring was nothing short of a miracle and an incredible performance by that Denver defense (that was ridiculously stacked) to drag his corpse to the top. The ball washing he got from the media for every 8 yard duck that some how found its way to a receiver was nauseating.
 

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Those Peyton numbers don't do him justice. He was so, so bad that entire season and legitimately got benched for Brock Osweiler. Remember that game in KC when he broke the all-time passing yard record, and then got benched? Him getting that last ring was nothing short of a miracle and an incredible performance by that Denver defense (that was ridiculously stacked) to drag his corpse to the top. The ball washing he got from the media for every 8 yard duck that some how found its way to a receiver was nauseating.
Yep. The killer for me is that somehow NE let Peyton throw for two TD passes against them in that AFCCG. UGH.
 

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Yep. The killer for me is that somehow NE Jamie Collins let Peyton throw for two TD passes against them in that AFCCG. UGH.
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Edit: Denver was likely going to lose in the divisional round to the injury depleted Steelers - the Steelers had a 13-12 lead and were driving on the Denver 35 with about 10 minutes to play, until the huge fumble by Touissant. That Denver team had to have literally everything go right from about week 12 on. And it did. It was like the 2001 Pats.
 

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I've heard from idiots over the years that Brady always had a cushy road to the SB because of all the 1st round byes (I mean, that's a feature of Brady but anyways). So, what does he do? He goes the Eli route and wins 3 road games en route to another SB appearance. At 43. He's almost literally done it all.
 

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The first game was on the road against a subpar Washington team, BUT they had won 5 of their last 7 and had the #4 scoring, #2 yards allowed defense in the league.

The second game was on the road against a loaded NO team that some felt was the best overall team in the conference, and a team that had manhandled Tampa twice during the year already.

The third game was on the road against the presumptive league MVP.

I mean, that's a pretty great run.
 

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The first game was on the road against a subpar Washington team, BUT they had won 5 of their last 7 and had the #4 scoring, #2 yards allowed defense in the league.

The second game was on the road against a loaded NO team that some felt was the best overall team in the conference, and a team that had manhandled Tampa twice during the year already.

The third game was on the road against the presumptive league MVP.

I mean, that's a pretty great run.
Yup. Great run and if he can knock off KC at the height of their powers, it’s a run that pretty much can’t be topped.
 

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Sadly, off the top of my head I can think of a more impressive run made by another team.
Fair. Giants 2007 would really be the only competition and is probably the leader. Eli took out 4 seed Tampa, 1 seed Dallas, and 2 seed Green Bay and then the 18-0 Pats.
 

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If you're going to overcome turnovers yesterday was how you do it. All three of the interceptions basically gave the ball back to the Packers on their side of the field and were not much different than punts. One was on third down and two were on seconds and long and none of them were in scoring position. Downfield throws that didn't really mean much field position wise.
 

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If you're going to overcome turnovers yesterday was how you do it. All three of the interceptions basically gave the ball back to the Packers on their side of the field and were not much different than punts. One was on third down and two were on seconds and long and none of them were in scoring position. Downfield throws that didn't really mean much field position wise.
One was on 2nd and 11 from the GB 28, with Tampa leading 28-23, with 9:22 left in the game. That was in FG range already and should have resulted in points for Tampa. That was a big turnover. Didn't end up costing them but it was still big.
 

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One was on 2nd and 11 from the GB 28, with Tampa leading 28-23, with 9:22 left in the game. That was in FG range already and should have resulted in points for Tampa. That was a big turnover. Didn't end up costing them but it was still big.

That one was bad, the 3&2 was like a punt and a touchback.
 

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Fair. Giants 2007 would really be the only competition and is probably the leader. Eli took out 4 seed Tampa, 1 seed Dallas, and 2 seed Green Bay and then the 18-0 Pats.
Sorry, but there is no way to compare the Bucs 3 wins on the road to the Giants...winning on the road in 2020 without fans is 100% different than prior years. Heck, Brady's victory in the AFCCG in 2018 was more impressive
 

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This is a no-lose situation for Brady. He wins and it only enhances his legacy. He loses, and it's perfectly fine to lose to Patrick Mahomes and the mighty soon-to-be-dynasty KC Chiefs, at age 43.

I guess the only check mark against him would be if he really really craps the bed.
 

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Sorry, but there is no way to compare the Bucs 3 wins on the road to the Giants...winning on the road in 2020 without fans is 100% different than prior years. Heck, Brady's victory in the AFCCG in 2018 was more impressive
I mean, sure. That impacts the analysis and I've already conceded that Eli's 2007 was more impressive. But Brady's run this year was really good. Washington's defense was no joke this year. The Saints were a very good team as well and had absolutely thrashed them in the previous matchups. And taking out Rodgers in Lambeau when he's playing on an MVP level is no joke, with or without fans.
 

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One was on 2nd and 11 from the GB 28, with Tampa leading 28-23, with 9:22 left in the game. That was in FG range already and should have resulted in points for Tampa. That was a big turnover. Didn't end up costing them but it was still big.
Oh, right -- that's right I was confused. So possibly took points off the board although a 45 yarder is not exactly a gimmee and the pick is better than a missed FG. Still, your point is right but in terms of 3 turnover games the field position situations could have been a lot worse. I'd argue the Packers' turnover by itself was worse than all three of the Tampa Bay turnovers combined.
 

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Also, the pick from the GB 28 was a slight overthrow that could have been caught. Yes, the pass was too high, but throwing it was absolutely the right decision. It's not like a mental error such as forcing something into double coverage or a non-existent window. It was the right throw, but slightly less than perfect. It was an error rather than a mistake, and you can live with those.
 

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Also, the pick from the GB 28 was a slight overthrow that could have been caught. Yes, the pass was too high, but throwing it was absolutely the right decision. It's not like a mental error such as forcing something into double coverage or a non-existent window. It was the right throw, but slightly less than perfect. It was an error rather than a mistake, and you can live with those.
It's one of those passes that if he misses by a wider margin it just falls incomplete and there's no harm done.
 

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This is a no-lose situation for Brady. He wins and it only enhances his legacy. He loses, and it's perfectly fine to lose to Patrick Mahomes and the mighty soon-to-be-dynasty KC Chiefs, at age 43.

I guess the only check mark against him would be if he really really craps the bed.
Don't underestimate the Brady haters. They'll turn a 6-4 record in Super Bowls as a knock against him. Francesca will definitely be asking if it's better to be 6-4 or 4-0.
 

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I think this actually might be my favorite Tom Brady game of all time...I will remember him for that game more than anything else I think maybe second to his SB winning drive in 2001.
That game particularly in the 4th qtr. was like a heavy weight fight. Brady kept on attacking and just fell short, (and IIRC twice didn't go for a FG) and then got the ball back and again went on the attack. A missed extra point in the 1st qtr lost that game.
 

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That game particularly in the 4th qtr. was like a heavy weight fight. Brady kept on attacking and just fell short, (and IIRC twice didn't go for a FG) and then got the ball back and again went on the attack. A missed extra point in the 1st qtr lost that game.
He had Gronk wide open on the two point conversion. I still don't understand how he just basically went "Gronk, Gronk, Gronk" on that final drive and then didn't look his way on the two point play.
 

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He had Gronk wide open on the two point conversion. I still don't understand how he just basically went "Gronk, Gronk, Gronk" on that final drive and then didn't look his way on the two point play.
I have always thought about that and think it's one of Brady's greatest weaknesses that only exists because he is so good.

I bet Gronk was doubled and he read it thinking JE 11 was a better play...of course, Gronk springs wide open but Brady did not look there as presnap said not too first and then he ran out of time.
 

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Most postseason wins:

Tom Brady (after turning 35): 17
Tom Brady (before turning 35): 16
Joe Montana: 16
Terry Bradshaw: 14
John Elway: 14
Peyton Manning: 14
 

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holding Brady's interceptions against him is pretty dumb. Granted the last one was an awful throw. But the first two -- receivers have to catch those. Mahomes had literally dozens of those exact things that weren't caught be defense this last year.

Interception is kind of a goofy stat that doesn't say enough in a nutshell. Looking at yesterday's game and thinking Brady had a bad game is asinine.
 

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holding Brady's interceptions against him is pretty dumb. Granted the last one was an awful throw. But the first two -- receivers have to catch those. Mahomes had literally dozens of those exact things that weren't caught be defense this last year.

Interception is kind of a goofy stat that doesn't say enough in a nutshell. Looking at yesterday's game and thinking Brady had a bad game is asinine.

I thought the one to Evans near the end zone was tough and his fault. The last one mattered maybe 10 yards, BFD.
 

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Evans is 6'5 and probably on a hall of fame pace. He has to come down with that. Could the throw have been better? Sure. But that's like 85-90% on Evans.
 

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If you take away every playoff touchdown that Brady threw to Gronk, Moss, Welker, Branch, Edelman, Hogan, and Amendola, he would still have the most playoff touchdown passes in NFL history
 

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Aaron Rodgers has thrown 45 + passes in 3 playoff games. He's 0-3 in those games.
Peyton Manning has thrown 45+ passes in 6 playoff games. He's 1-5 in those games.
Joe Montana has thrown 45+ passes in 2 playoff games. He's 0-2 in those games.
Russell Wilson has thrown 45+ passes in 1 playoff game. He's 0-1 in that game.
Drew Brees has thrown 45+ passes in 3 playoff games. He's 0-3 in those games.
Dan Fouts has thrown 45+ passes in 3 playoff games. He's 1-2 in those games.
John Elway has thrown 45+ passes in 1 playoff game. He's 0-1 in that game.
Dan Marino has thrown 45+ passes in 6 playoff games. He's 1-5 in those games.
Jim Kelly has thrown 45+ passes in 3 playoff games. He's 0-3 in those games.
Steve Young has thrown 45+ passes in 2 playoff games. He's 0-2 in those games.

These 10 HOF (or eventual HOF) QBs have thrown 45+ passes in 30 playoff games. They're a combined 3-27 (.100) in those games.
Tom Brady has thrown 45+ passes in 12 playoff games. He's 7-5 (.583) in those games.
 

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Potential "dynasties" that Brady has stamped out:

2001 - The Rams had won in 1999, had a 2-time MVP quarterback, the Greatest Show on Turf. Ricky Proehl announces, "A dynasty is born tonight." If the Rams had won, likely they would have been considered a dynasty. Pats win 20-17. The Rams promptly go 7-9 the next year, and don't make it back to the Super Bowl until the 2018 season.

2004 - The Eagles had been to the NFC Championship game 4 years in a row, finally winning it in the 2004 season. Winning it would have set them up to be a potential dynasty, given how dominant they'd been. Pats win 24-21. Philly promptly goes 6-10 the next year, and don't make it back to the Super Bowl until the 2017 season.

2014 - The Seahawks were the defending champs, having obliterated Peyton Manning and the Broncos the year before, and boasting superstar Russell Wilson and the league's #1 defense. On the verge of back-to-back titles, the Pats win 28-24. Seattle goes 10-6, 10-5-1, and 9-7 the next three years, and they haven't been to the Super Bowl since.

2020 - The Chiefs are the defending champs, though the year before Brady, then with New England, had knocked them out of the playoffs in the AFCCG. On the verge of winning back-to-back titles, Brady and the Tampa Bay Bucs have the chance to put this talk of a Chiefs dynasty to bed.
 

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Don't forget the Chargers, who seemingly always had the misfortune of playing the Patriots.

I'm convinced Tom Brady is the person standing between Philip Rivers and the Hall of Fame.
 

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The Rams promptly go 7-9 the next year, and don't make it back to the Super Bowl until the 2018 season.
Ironically you could say a similar thing happened to the 2018 Rams too - they hadn't won the prior year, and wouldn't have been anointed a dynasty if they'd won, but they were definitely the "hot" team everyone was talking about as a major contender for years to come thanks to all their young talent (McVay, Goff, Donald, Gurley, Cooks, etc.). Then they missed the playoffs in 2019 and, although they did make the playoffs this year, were never really a true Super Bowl contender. And they don't really have any ways to improve in the future except via draft because they are already about $30 million over the projected cap for next year.

Of course, this is all just a different way of saying that's it's extremely hard to even make the Super Bowl in back-to-back years, much less win both of them.
 

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Don't forget the Chargers, who seemingly always had the misfortune of playing the Patriots.

I'm convinced Tom Brady is the person standing between Philip Rivers and the Hall of Fame.
Brady let Eli in and might keep Rivers out. Sometimes life isn't fair.
 

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Potential "dynasties" that Brady has stamped out:

2001 - The Rams had won in 1999, had a 2-time MVP quarterback, the Greatest Show on Turf. Ricky Proehl announces, "A dynasty is born tonight." If the Rams had won, likely they would have been considered a dynasty. Pats win 20-17. The Rams promptly go 7-9 the next year, and don't make it back to the Super Bowl until the 2018 season.

2004 - The Eagles had been to the NFC Championship game 4 years in a row, finally winning it in the 2004 season. Winning it would have set them up to be a potential dynasty, given how dominant they'd been. Pats win 24-21. Philly promptly goes 6-10 the next year, and don't make it back to the Super Bowl until the 2017 season.

2014 - The Seahawks were the defending champs, having obliterated Peyton Manning and the Broncos the year before, and boasting superstar Russell Wilson and the league's #1 defense. On the verge of back-to-back titles, the Pats win 28-24. Seattle goes 10-6, 10-5-1, and 9-7 the next three years, and they haven't been to the Super Bowl since.

2020 - The Chiefs are the defending champs, though the year before Brady, then with New England, had knocked them out of the playoffs in the AFCCG. On the verge of winning back-to-back titles, Brady and the Tampa Bay Bucs have the chance to put this talk of a Chiefs dynasty to bed.
Funny that you don't even bother mentioning the Colts -- the team the football world was convinced would dominate the oughts.
 

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The list also doesn’t mention the dynasties that Brady just outlasted. I love that he outlasted the Manning Colts (and the Luck Colts)... and then outlasted the Manning Broncos.
 

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Potential "dynasties" that Brady has stamped out:

2001 - The Rams had won in 1999, had a 2-time MVP quarterback, the Greatest Show on Turf. Ricky Proehl announces, "A dynasty is born tonight." If the Rams had won, likely they would have been considered a dynasty. Pats win 20-17. The Rams promptly go 7-9 the next year, and don't make it back to the Super Bowl until the 2018 season.

2004 - The Eagles had been to the NFC Championship game 4 years in a row, finally winning it in the 2004 season. Winning it would have set them up to be a potential dynasty, given how dominant they'd been. Pats win 24-21. Philly promptly goes 6-10 the next year, and don't make it back to the Super Bowl until the 2017 season.

2014 - The Seahawks were the defending champs, having obliterated Peyton Manning and the Broncos the year before, and boasting superstar Russell Wilson and the league's #1 defense. On the verge of back-to-back titles, the Pats win 28-24. Seattle goes 10-6, 10-5-1, and 9-7 the next three years, and they haven't been to the Super Bowl since.

2020 - The Chiefs are the defending champs, though the year before Brady, then with New England, had knocked them out of the playoffs in the AFCCG. On the verge of winning back-to-back titles, Brady and the Tampa Bay Bucs have the chance to put this talk of a Chiefs dynasty to bed.
You’re forgetting a big one:

Steelers.

Took them out in 2001 and 2004 and they won it all in 2005 and 2008, primarily because of Jake Plummer and Bernard Pollard. And then you have 2016 as well. Decent chance Big Ben is in the illustrious 4 SB group were it not for Brady.
 

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He now has more wins in the playoffs against NFC teams than Drew Brees.
These Brady statistics are ridiculous. Brees has been in the NFC for 15 years. Brady for one year. Obviously 6 of those wins are in the Super Bowl, but still. Just completely and utterly ridiculous.
 

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You’re forgetting a big one:

Steelers.

Took them out in 2001 and 2004 and they won it all in 2005 and 2008, primarily because of Jake Plummer and Bernard Pollard. And then you have 2016 as well. Decent chance Big Ben is in the illustrious 4 SB group were it not for Brady.
Yeah that was my first thought. In addition to the above, they made it to the SB and lost in 2010. 3 SB appearances and 2 wins in 6 years is impressive enough, but if they had gone 2-0 (or even gone 1-1) against the Pats in the 2000s they would have been the team of the decade, not the Pats.
 

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The thing about the Pittsburgh battles is that unlike the Colts, Ravens, Broncos, Chiefs, Eagles or Seahawks, the games were never that close. I guess the 2001 game was pretty close, but that Pittsburgh team was very limited with Stewart at QB. Pittsburgh took the odd regular season game off of the Pats about once every ten years; and there was that one great regular season game where Gronk had that one monster drive where he caught like, 6 passes and then the TD and the 2 point conversion, only for Pittsburgh to come right down and get near the goal line, but Jesse James didn't complete the catch and Ben threw a bone-headed pick. Outside of that, the Pats beat Pittsburgh like a drum every year, especially in the playoffs.

It was my favorite rivalry in sports, Pittsburgh always had arrogant players and an incredibly arrogant fanbase, and every year they got hyped up and every year Brady shredded their entitled asses like swiss cheese.
 

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The thing about the Pittsburgh battles is that unlike the Colts, Ravens, Broncos, Chiefs, Eagles or Seahawks, the games were never that close. I guess the 2001 game was pretty close, but that Pittsburgh team was very limited with Stewart at QB. Pittsburgh took the odd regular season game off of the Pats about once every ten years; and there was that one great regular season game where Gronk had that one monster drive where he caught like, 6 passes and then the TD and the 2 point conversion, only for Pittsburgh to come right down and get near the goal line, but Jesse James didn't complete the catch and Ben threw a bone-headed pick. Outside of that, the Pats beat Pittsburgh like a drum every year, especially in the playoffs.

It was my favorite rivalry in sports, Pittsburgh always had arrogant players and an incredibly arrogant fanbase, and every year they got hyped up and every year Brady shredded their entitled asses like swiss cheese.
Yep. It was always fun seeing that fan base be arrogant jackasses, just to be defeatist, year after year after year. Some of the best memories of the entire dynasty are just knowing the Steelers game was a no doubt win year in and year out.
 

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Yep. It was always fun seeing that fan base be arrogant jackasses, just to be defeatist, year after year after year. Some of the best memories of the entire dynasty are just knowing the Steelers game was a no doubt win year in and year out.
The large number of national media pundits who picked the Steelers to win the 2016 AFCCG still amuses me. Delusional.
 

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The large number of national media pundits who picked the Steelers to win the 2016 AFCCG still amuses me. Delusional.
That was one playoff game that I never, not for one second, doubted the Pats would win. I thought they'd crush the Steelers, and they did.
 

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Yep. It was always fun seeing that fan base be arrogant jackasses, just to be defeatist, year after year after year. Some of the best memories of the entire dynasty are just knowing the Steelers game was a no doubt win year in and year out.
"Cancel all those reservations!"
 

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I don't see anyone talking about the possibility that Brady retires if the Bucs win (but I'm also not paying a ton of attention, either). It's tough to repeat and he will have proven that he can win without BB. I think it's a very real possibility, and maybe even more likely than not. Just go out on top.