He's still very good which means he's still moveable. And they wouldn't exactly be getting bupkus for him either.sean1562 said:
this makes no sense for the nationals. Jayson Werth's last few years are very comparable to David Ortiz's. He has been really good. Cespedes is nowhere near the hitter that Jayson Werth has recently been. Werth is signed through 2017 but could still be a solid player through that time, if a little overpaid. Trading Werth so they can make room to trade a good pitcher for a year of Cespedes makes no sense. The Nationals will have no interest in Cespedes. Any scenario involving him going to Washington is not a realistic one
edit: my ortiz werth comparison isnt really a solid one, ortiz has been better, but there are examples of players who have continued to be solid hitters through their 30s. werth is a great hitter and, while occasionally injured, hasnt really declined.
Rovin Romine said:Hopefully, Cespedes will be part of an off season trade package. However, I think it's worth noting that Cespedes' one year, no qualifying offer contract might have some value come spring training. If anyone loses an outfielder to a serious injury, then he's the perfect guy to pick up for a year.
To your point Tom, do you think the Sox FO place an insurance value on keeping a Cespedes into Spring Training for Ortiz and/or Napoli? Not that Cespedes would play 1B, but the flexibility in having him around with Panda and Hanley seems greater than not. If he ends up part of a package for good SP, obviously we have to roll the dice.TomRicardo said:
Nava and Victorino would have more value in spring training. Cespedes is a middle of the order bat you plan your season around. You will probably get less in Spring Training since teams will be more will to trade MLB ready SP now than in Spring Training.
TomRicardo said:
Nava and Victorino would have more value in spring training. Cespedes is a middle of the order bat you plan your season around. You will probably get less in Spring Training since teams will be more will to trade MLB ready SP now than in Spring Training.
that trade makes them worse. replacing werth with cespedes and iwakuma with zimmermann makes them a worse team next year. there would need to be prospects with cespedes and they will have little interest in any of our AAA arms. i really do not see them doing anything that is not them trading for a 2B. Maybe they try for Howie Kendrick, but maybe they sign Jose Fernandez when he becomes availablenvalvo said:Werth has a more limited market than Cespedes. I could imagine him as a fit in SF — he seems like a classic Sabean acquisition — or Seattle, who is almost as left handed as Boston is right handed. A Cano-Werth-Seager 3-4-5 is worth considering.
But moving from Werth to Cespedes is basically forgoing 100 points of OBP. You'd have to really want to shed payroll; sending Werth to Seattle for Iwakuma, acquiring Cespedes (along with a prospect or three) from Boston for Zimmermann, and reallocating Werth's money towards extending Fister might not be a terrible play for the Nationals.
Jake Peavy's Demons said:Is anyone else concerned about Iwakuma? He had a 103 ERA+ last year while Safeco Field had a 92 rating in pitching for park factours. Looking at his splits for Fenway isn't super awe-inspiring either, although it is true he's only pitched twice--so it's a SSS.
i meant the cuban 2B. they really only need a 2B. they arent gonna sign moncada but the could sign fernandez or hector olivera without trading anybody. it makes more sense for them than any trade proposal i have seen on this board. i follow the nationals quite closely since i am from the dc area and most of the trades i have seen on this board would not be looked favorably upon by any nationals fan that i knowopes said:Jose Fernandez is cost controlled til 2019. Thats a pretty long wait.
sean1562 said:that trade makes them worse. replacing werth with cespedes and iwakuma with zimmermann makes them a worse team next year. there would need to be prospects with cespedes and they will have little interest in any of our AAA arms. i really do not see them doing anything that is not them trading for a 2B. Maybe they try for Howie Kendrick, but maybe they sign Jose Fernandez when he becomes available
Why would you post this?soxhop411 said:
RedOctober3829 said:Why would you post this?
Isn't that kind of a fair straight across trade in one sense? I would rather get a good prospect to package and flip for Hamels, but 1 year of porcello allows us to keep Owens and give him one more year of development.MakMan44 said:I dunno. Porcello is interesting but I think he's a FA after this season. I don't think he's good enough to blow our best MLB chip on if he's just going to leave after 2015.
Or maybe to keep Price. No way they're going to pay $25+ million each on long term deals to three starters.bosockboy said:Yes the motivation would be to keep Scherzer. Makes sense. Sanchez is a perfect target. Already signed at reasonable money.
I think that might make more sense than anything I have read today. I like it.67WasBest said:Tigers are on the wrong side of the curve with Miggy, and Mike Illich isn't getting younger. They have to do something significant to turn the tide, and dealing away an arm like Sanchez to free funds or fill holes makes sense. Detroit holes are in the bullpen, outfield and 3B (They would prefer Castellanos in a corner outfield role).
Cespedes plays CF, Martinez in LF and Castellanos in RF, Mujica for the bullpen, and Cecchini for 3B is a good swap for Sanchez. Money is near equal, Tigers fill 3 holes and Sox fill a top of rotation spot. Tigers can likely make a run at retaining Scherzer if they move Sanchez.
BeantownIdaho said:Sanchez?????
Frank Pimentel @FrankBostonTank · 7m 7 minutes ago
Source also indicated that Anibal Sanchez has been linked to trade talks. Could be another possible #RedSox reunion.
Or unwinding the original Beckett trade.nvalvo said:Ben's reassembling the 2005 Sea Dogs.
Next up: the 2007 trophy for Jesus Delgado and Harvey Garcia.Section15Box113 said:Or unwinding the original Beckett trade.
BeantownIdaho said:Isn't that kind of a fair straight across trade in one sense? I would rather get a good prospect to package and flip for Hamels, but 1 year of porcello allows us to keep Owens and give him one more year of development.
I'm will Cellar, pretty much to a T.Cellar-Door said:Porcello had a nice year last year, but his previous 4 aren't very impressive. Is he really any better than Joe Kelly? I mean, I know we need starters but I'd rather see us package Cespedes with prospect/s for someone who is better. Matt Latos perhaps?
soxhop411 said:And here it is.
“@brianmacp: Cherington: Signing of Ramirez to play left field "increases the likelihood that we will" make a trade involving an outfielder.”
http://m.padres.mlb.com/news/article/102479724/san-diego-padres-shift-offseason-focus-to-trade-marketGeneral manager A.J. Preller has kicked the tires on a lot of scenarios with a lot of teams this offseason. He's been linked to the Reds and outfielder Jay Bruce, and it's believed Preller has talked to the Red Sox about outfielder Yoenis Cespedes, who could be viewed as expendable now that Boston has signed Hanley Ramirez with the intention of moving him to the outfield.
It's unknown how serious the Padres' interest is in making a deal for Cespedes.
If there were mutual interest, pitcher Ian Kennedy might be someone the Padres could move in a deal to Boston. The trade would give the Red Sox an innings-eater for the middle of the rotation and, in turn, the Padres would gain what would easily be the most dangerous bat in their lineup.
BeantownIdaho said:
Dan Lifshatz @Dan_Lifshatz · 19m 19 minutes ago
According to sources Red Sox asked for Tyson Ross or Andrew Cashner and either Casey Kelly or Max Fried in a deal for Yoenis Cespedes
BeantownIdaho said:
Dan Lifshatz @Dan_Lifshatz · 19m 19 minutes ago
According to sources Red Sox asked for Tyson Ross or Andrew Cashner and either Casey Kelly or Max Fried in a deal for Yoenis Cespedes