USMNT: To Rüssia With Love

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Nutmegs are always slick, but the one at 4:25 is particularly so. He's got great awareness and incisive passing skill. I don't really mind him trying for unlikely passes, he seems almost too creative, but the ideas are there and frankly for the USMNT the creativity is often lacking.
 
He got knocked down a lot by the NZ players.
 

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Nutmegs are always slick, but the one at 4:25 is particularly so. He's got great awareness and incisive passing skill. I don't really mind him trying for unlikely passes, he seems almost too creative, but the ideas are there and frankly for the USMNT the creativity is often lacking.
 
 
It's like putting guys with Magic Johnson who can't think like he can. He'd whip a pass at them and bloody their nose.
 

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It's like putting guys with Magic Johnson who can't think like he can. He'd whip a pass at them and bloody their nose.
not in this game that isn't true, his poor passing in the first half was almost entirely his own bad decision making.
His problem early in this game was he tried to make a pass through 3 defenders almost every time he got the ball in the attacking third.
That doesn't work against even a competent team.
It was the kind of bad decision making you see when a player is used to being much much better than his opponents. I'm sure he'll realize (he did adjust as the game went on) that even at the U-20 level those passes aren't going to work, the opposition is quick and big enough to shut down those lanes if they are on balance.
The trick is learning when a bold split the defense pass has a chance (like his assist) and when it has almost no chance and is wasting a valuable opportunity.
I do agree with Infidel that it's a much better problem to have than the usual USMNT issue of not having the skill at all.
 

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I am willing to be patient with a young, creative player who, in the words of Bruce Arena (talking about Dempsey), "tries shit".  We have a tendency to coach the creativity out of our players....we have to be willing to live with mistakes as part of the learning process.  Zelalem had some failed passes, but I wouldn't characterize his passing as poor in either half.  Most of his passing errors were the result of ambitious balls that weren't in dangerous areas.  It's not as though he was botching basic square balls in the center of the park.  He did get muscled off the ball a few times, but that will improve over time as he physically matures; he's very slender right now.  I thought overall his passing was smooth and well weighted.  He was calm and collected on the ball and did well spinning around the midfield avoiding pressure and maintaining possession.  I was impressed -- and let's not forget he's up against players who are almost all older than he is.
 
Myanmar and New Zealand aren't that good, so the next step is to see how his game holds up against superior opposition.
 

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Tesho Akindele, the FC Dallas forward who was called into the January camp this year, has accepted the call from the Canadian national team for their two upcoming WCQs against Dominica.  Should he appear in either game, he will be permanently cap-tied to Canada.  I think this is a wise choice for Akindele; I see him as a fringe player for the US at best, whereas he could be a mainstay for Canada.
 
Maybe he took advice from Teal Bunbury.
 

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If the US wins their group (looking good), they'll play a low finisher in C, D or E (including certain third place group finishers).  Qatar is currently third place in C.  Great timing!  
 

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not in this game that isn't true, his poor passing in the first half was almost entirely his own bad decision making.
His problem early in this game was he tried to make a pass through 3 defenders almost every time he got the ball in the attacking third.
That doesn't work against even a competent team.
It was the kind of bad decision making you see when a player is used to being much much better than his opponents. I'm sure he'll realize (he did adjust as the game went on) that even at the U-20 level those passes aren't going to work, the opposition is quick and big enough to shut down those lanes if they are on balance.
The trick is learning when a bold split the defense pass has a chance (like his assist) and when it has almost no chance and is wasting a valuable opportunity.
I do agree with Infidel that it's a much better problem to have than the usual USMNT issue of not having the skill at all.
 
That seems a bit harsh to me (judging by the video alone, I didn't see the game).  I only counted 4 bad passes in the first half.  A couple were bad decisions and no-hopers (like around 1:10) but a couple of those (the flick over the top and one ball that he tired to slide down the channel) he might have had a window but just couldn't pull it off technically.  When the defense has eight guys behind the ball all the time, you have to try difficult passes through multiple players.  And wasting a possession is not that huge a sacrifice if your team is dominating possession and playing with the ball a lot.
 
One thing that stood out to me about Zelalem in this video is that he is very one footed.  I think he passed the ball with his left foot once the entire game.  A lot of players are one footed and it doesn't hurt them that much but its a bigger disadvantage in the role that he seems otherwise best suited for - passing midfielder in the middle of the park.  There were a couple times where he had good passing opportunities, to switch field or to split two defenders, but would have needed to hit the ball with his left and he just moved the ball back to his right foot, by which time the opportunity was lost.  And then he does the ridiculous rabona cross in the second half rather than just picking out a player with his left foot.
 

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All Julian Green does is score volleys in international tournaments:
 
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USA U-23 beat Qatar 1-0.  Two wins and two losses isn't a bad showing at all, given the weak team sent to Toulon.  Andi Herzog has been able to evaluate the fringe players pretty thoroughly.  Hopefully we'll successfully integrate the better U-20s prior to qualifying, as well as a number of other 93s and 94s who weren't available.
 

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A fluff tweet from US soccer....
 
https://twitter.com/ussoccer/status/606068039893843968/photo/1
 
 
....but check out #8 "Morris".  Late addition to the roster?
 

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This is pretty good:
 
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USA U-23 beat Qatar 1-0.  Two wins and two losses isn't a bad showing at all, given the weak team sent to Toulon.  Andi Herzog has been able to evaluate the fringe players pretty thoroughly.  Hopefully we'll successfully integrate the better U-20s prior to qualifying, as well as a number of other 93s and 94s who weren't available.
 
Well, to get to the third place game US needed both Costa Rica to fail to win against Qatar and for the Netherlands to lose by at least four goals.
 
Costa Rica 1-1 Qatar
France 4-0 Netherlands
 
So the U23s will play one more game, against either Mexico, Morocco, or England depending on results.  They'll be without Jordan Morris, though, who is in Amsterdam with the senior team.  That means they'll probably suck, but hey...it's a meaningless youth tournament.
 

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U-20s vs. Ukraine at an ungodly hour this morning.  Win or draw wins the group and gives the US a (theoretically) easier draw in the round of 16.  A loss likely lands us Portugal or Colombia.
 

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https://twitter.com/ussoccer_ynt/status/606700515737632768
 
Rubin, Payne, Miazga rested.  The latter two are on yellow cards.  Moore is also on a yellow, but Payne will start over him in a knockout game.
 

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We're struggling to get much going early on without Rubin and in a 4-1-4-1.  Jamieson isn't a great option as a lone forward.  Hyndman and Zelalem haven't been very involved.  Shaq Moore at RB is just brutal going forward, as he was against Myanmar.
 
Payne and Rubin badly missed at the moment.
 

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Ukraine seems to have more possession, but they're not doing much with it other than knocking it around.  They've had a few half-chances.  US is sitting back and looking to counter, it seems.
 
Zelalem won a FK in a dangerous spot, Hyndman hit what looked like a rehearsed play to BJIV, but it was blocked.
 

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0-0 HT.  Boring game so far.  US looking a bit sloppy.  Moore in particular has been a weak spot on both sides of the ball, but few are looking great right now.  Steffen has been steady, but hasn't been called upon for any theatrics yet.
 

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1-0 Ukraine.
 
Nice FK goal after a poor foul call on CCV / dive by the Ukrainian player
 

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PK!  Allen fouled in the box.
 
Borderline call....
 
 
But Hyndman's shot is saved.
 

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60th minute, Sonora on for Delgado.  Offensive substitution.
 

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Ukraine is attacking on the left side, targeting Moore.  The second goal came off a cross from the left.  The midfield should have picked up Kovalenko's run in the box, though.
 

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3-0 Ukraine....
 
The US has looked disorganized defensively all game and now we're being punished for it.  Team spacing is all over the place.
 
Tab's teams have always struggled with this (the 2013 team) and now that we're playing our top opponent in the group, it's showing.
 

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One positive from soxfan121's perspective is that the commentator insists on referring to the US opponent as THE Ukraine.
 

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One positive from soxfan121's perspective is that the commentator insists on referring to the US opponent as THE Ukraine.
This does make me happy. Score, not so much.
 

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So Zelalem didn't do much besides win that free kick? The whole disappearing thing is not at all surprising as that's been one of the criticisms I've heard about him playing for Arsenal's Reserves.
 

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I watched large chunks of this match, and my main thought was to wonder just how bad New Zealand and Myanmar must be. The quality of play was...not good.
 
Very true, it puts things in perspective.  Then again, Ukraine could only tie New Zealand.  Youth soccer can be strange.
 
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So Zelalem didn't do much besides win that free kick? The whole disappearing thing is not at all surprising as that's been one of the criticisms I've heard about him playing for Arsenal's Reserves.
 
Zelalem wasn't very influential.  Neither was Hyndman, FWIW.  It just wasn't a very good night for our midfield.  I don't want to excuse the players too much, but I do think you have to look at the tactics.  The DM, Marco Delgado, is a limited player both defensively and in his ability to pass, link up, and provide outlets effectively.  Our fullbacks are also offensively challenged. Acosta has been playing LB, but he's actually our top DM.  He's not altogether comfortable out there.  (For some reason Ramos doesn't want to use the only natural LB on the roster, John Requejo.)  At RB, Moore looks way out of his depth in every way.  He's a black hole out there.  Desevio Payne was rested and will be a big improvement in the knockout round.  Jamieson was the lone striker -- a role for which he is not well suited -- and on top of that the ref was calling a really tight game with him, which made it extra difficult for him to hold up the ball.
 
It all added up to a scenario that's tough for possession oriented players.  Moore was a turnover machine, his LB and DM didn't always show for the ball when they needed to, the players ahead of them weren't able to hold the ball.  Playing with a lone striker meant one less runner to pick out.
 
Zelalem still clearly has things to work on.  In particular (as someone else noted after NZ) he doesn't have much of a left foot and he can be a bit passive.  Right now he's more of a classy distributor than a true creator with great vision.  One of the US soccer media guys had about 4-5 short clips from the NZ game featuring Rubin and Jamieson throwing up their hands after they made a good run but GZ didn't make the pass when he needed to.  And GZ did have a good game against NZ - it's just one element of his game that's missing and bears close monitoring.
 
Basically to make a long story short (too late), these games are useful data points but I'd caution against drawing too many big conclusions because under Tab Ramos this group of players will be less than the sum of their parts.  I'm not saying they are all secretly world-beaters, but Ramos doesn't have a good tactical track record.  Those of us who follow youth national teams closely are nearly unanimous in this opinion.
 
BTW - although I am a Klinsmann h8r at times, Ramos is pretty much 100% a classic, shitty USSF hire.  Well-connected, talks a good game, but where is the experience and track record?  It doesn't really matter if our U20 team underperforms a little because of coaching.  Development occurs at the club and these players will be what they'll be...U20 has almost no effect on their trajectory.  However, it's more than a little disconcerting that a guy who can't organize the midfield of a team he's worked with for two years is also the youth technical director.
 

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EDIT:
 
Apparently Cameron and Garza have minor injuries.  Gonzalez, Besler, and Zusi were manager's decision.  Dempsey is awaiting the birth of his child.
 
It turns out Gonzalez was on the list, but was allowed to stay with LA because of the Galaxy's injury crisis on their backline.  FWIW, KC has a similar crisis.  Hard to gauge whether Besler is in the same boat or if JK is sick of him.
 

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Zelalem still clearly has things to work on.  In particular (as someone else noted after NZ) he doesn't have much of a left foot and he can be a bit passive.  Right now he's more of a classy distributor than a true creator with great vision.  One of the US soccer media guys had about 4-5 short clips from the NZ game featuring Rubin and Jamieson throwing up their hands after they made a good run but GZ didn't make the pass when he needed to.  And GZ did have a good game against NZ - it's just one element of his game that's missing and bears close monitoring.
Thanks for the breakdown.
 
Were those passes simple? Was it a vision thing or an apprehension thing?
 

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Thanks for the breakdown.
 
Were those passes simple? Was it a vision thing or an apprehension thing?
 
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Some of these are a bit harsh.  I think #3 and #4 are good examples though.  He's not throwing up on himself out there, but those in particular are passes that I think a player of his caliber should see and make.
 
It's also worth pointing out that he's a 97 (birth year) in a tournament filled mostly with 95s and 96s.
 

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https://twitter.com/ussoccer/status/606874971898552320
 
A 4-3-3 according to this tweet.  We'll see how it plays out in reality....I could see FJ and Morales on the sides of a 4-4-2 diamond / 4-1-3-2 with Bradley ahead of Beckerman.
 

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So, I have to wake up at 3:30AM again next Wednesday to continue to watch the U20s? I miss baseball being my favorite sport...
 

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A 4-3-3 according to this tweet.  We'll see how it plays out in reality....I could see FJ and Morales on the sides of a 4-4-2 diamond / 4-1-3-2 with Bradley ahead of Beckerman.
 
Nope:
 
https://twitter.com/ussoccer/status/606881845935001600
 

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Bradley can be so frustrating.  That was a really nice long run, capped off by a crummy final ball (that should've been an easy pass) to Chandler.
 

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Is this like a B level squad for Ned? Or is this the team they have been using for their Euro quals?

And goddamit Shea right at the keeper on the beautiful through ball.
 

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Shea....good run but the right footed finish isn't there. Bradley off the post earlier.

We should have a goal by now. At least we are creating. The Dutch aren't looking sharp right now.
 

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Promising first 22 minutes, should really have scored by now, but cant fault them for playing in a bunker. 
 

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Why is he blaming Brooks? Shouldnt Alvarado be goal side and compete for the header instead of a yard on the wrong side? He appeared to be marking Huntelaar not Brooks.
 

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1-0 Huntelaar. Brooks with back to back space cadet plays. Punished the second time.
 

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We are creating opportunities on the break but have been lacking finishing quality. Zardes has been industrious but his touch and technique are lacking at this level. Needed to hit AJ with that pass.
 

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We are creating opportunities on the break but have been lacking finishing quality. Zardes has been industrious but his touch and technique are lacking at this level. Needed to hit AJ with that pass.
Brilliant TB.

Great chip FJ and excellent finish by Zardes.
 

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There's our regularly scheduled Chandler WTF moment.

Tim, don't give Depay acres of space please.
 

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In their attacks built from the back, not the quick counters, they seem to have a habit of getting too bunched centrally or to one side with no ability to switch to the open space. The opposite side back or forward need to create some space.

And offsides. Phewwwwww

Edit: not offsides? Not sure what happened.
 

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 I get the impression the Dutch are going to score the next goal - especially after that guy passed up the easy goal to try and make the pass to VP.