Week 13 NFL Game Thread

Justthetippett

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I think a good team should expect to execute better over a series of plays versus a single play, considering how much variance there is in a single play. I think it makes a lot more sense for bad teams to go for 2 in that situation.
Fair enough but I’ve always thought if you can win a game with a “makeble” play and take the luck/variance out of a series of plays, you go for it.
 

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Especially since his team had just gone down he field with ease right before the play. If you're the better team you kick and go to overtime and if you don't with the coin flip you kick the ball deep and expect your D to hold.
Their D gave up 200 yards and 17 points on 3 drives in the 4th, there is no way you can trust them, they were shot.

If your offense is clearly your better unit I think you go for 2 whether you are favored or not. Your defense just spent 15 minutes giving an offense everything they wanted, your offense is particularly good at short yardage plays.... I think it's a good play to try and win right there, and honestly they called a good play and just screwed it up.
 

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Calm down, Seattle. You ain’t even in the ‘in the hunt’ graphic.
They could have been if they had more room on the graphic, since they are now tied with the Giants and Bears.

And they are a shit team and should celebrate, especially considering it's their #1 division rival.
 

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It still doesn’t explain the decision. Tucker is such a weapon and Pittsburgh is not that good. Odds favored kicking the PAT and going to OT.
Yeah.. the idea that it's better to go for one play rather than start over with a whole series of downs in OT? Why accept that much variance as an acceptable decision? Massive underdogs are the teams that should go for it there...and that's basically it.
 

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Tucker is a huge edge in OT. Why Harbaugh chose to ice his kicker and advantage is an interesting decision
He's a huge advantage but the Steelers had driven up and the down the field the entire 4th quarter against his defense. OT always feels like a coin flip when both offenses are clicking, and the 2 point conversion is what, a 55-75% chance of working? I'd take that if I'm Harbaugh, no guarantee Tucker ever gets a chance to end it if you lose the toss.
 

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Yep.

Referees didn’t do crap, and the announcers were gushing at the brilliant defense.
The refs seemed especially one-sided in this one. But tip of the cap to Seattle for taking advantage, and that fake punt was a great play. I still can't believe the 49ers loss. It should have been first and goal from the one with one timeout left.
 

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He's a huge advantage but the Steelers had driven up and the down the field the entire 4th quarter against his defense. OT always feels like a coin flip when both offenses are clicking, and the 2 point conversion is what, a 55-75% chance of working? I'd take that if I'm Harbaugh, no guarantee Tucker ever gets a chance to end it if you lose the toss.
It's closer to 40-55% apparently. 2018-2019 apparently it was 49.4% of the time.
 

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Going back to the Steelers game and the kick-off that went out of bounds at the two-yard line.

I hate this penalty so much!

Punts can go out of bounds with zero penalties at all, but a kick-off goes out of bounds at the two-yard line and that is now a 38-yard penalty?!? I am not saying there shouldn't be a penalty at all, but I could hit a guy helmet-to-helmet, knock him out, and it would only be a 15-yard penalty. It just feels unfair that the penalty is so big.
 

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Yep.

Referees didn’t do crap, and the announcers were gushing at the brilliant defense.
Feel like Seattle D has been taught to hold the crap out of receivers under Pete.. The idea that they can only call so many penalties
 

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He's a huge advantage but the Steelers had driven up and the down the field the entire 4th quarter against his defense. OT always feels like a coin flip when both offenses are clicking, and the 2 point conversion is what, a 55-75% chance of working? I'd take that if I'm Harbaugh, no guarantee Tucker ever gets a chance to end it if you lose the toss.
Being a follower of the club, I can state that’s the first time someone used the terms “offense” and “clicking” in the same sentence this season.

But seriously, not going for 2 in the NFL (I understand they call this “kicking a PAT”) feels like bunting in baseball: coaches/managers do it because it’s considered safe, free of criticism. In that respect, Harbaugh’s attempt was objectively refreshing.
 

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Going back to the Steelers game and the kick-off that went out of bounds at the two-yard line.

I hate this penalty so much!

Punts can go out of bounds with zero penalties at all, but a kick-off goes out of bounds at the two-yard line and that is now a 38-yard penalty?!? I am not saying there shouldn't be a penalty at all, but I could hit a guy helmet-to-helmet, knock him out, and it would only be a 15-yard penalty. It just feels unfair that the penalty is so big.
If the penalty for kicking OOB isn’t severe then may as well eliminate the kickoff because most kicks result in touchbacks and teams just won’t kick it in bounds if they are playing in the elements.

It’s also orders of magnitude easier to avoid kicking a kickoff OOB than a punt.
 

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Apparently Harbaugh mentioned that a factor in his decision to go for 2 is they had lost so many CBs, and that Humphrey was unavailable and needs an MRI but is expected out "a while".

So about what you'd expect, he had more faith in the offense scoring than in putting his broken D back out there.
 

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Apparently Harbaugh mentioned that a factor in his decision to go for 2 is they had lost so many CBs, and that Humphrey was unavailable and needs an MRI but is expected out "a while".

So about what you'd expect, he had more faith in the offense scoring than in putting his broken D back out there.
That Humphrey news is big, and helps explain that decision better for sure.
 

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I’m sure there has been other instances over the past 20 years where Pats fans have had to root for Pittsburgh or Baltimore for seeding purposes.
 

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If the penalty for kicking OOB isn’t severe then may as well eliminate the kickoff because most kicks result in touchbacks and teams just won’t kick it in bounds if they are playing in the elements.

It’s also orders of magnitude easier to avoid kicking a kickoff OOB than a punt.
I agree on the bolded point completely.

I guess I just get caught up on a kickoff going out of bounds at the two-yard line resulting in the biggest penalty (in terms of yards) of the game, aside from a possible deep pass interference penalty. The punishment doesn't seem to fit the crime, IMHO...especially when I punt going out of bounds receives absolutely no penalty whatsoever.
 

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Maybe I'm being too hard on one player and too easy on the other, but Andrews still could've caught that ball. He kind of has to.
He thought for sure he was going to.

On replay, it looked like he didn’t even get his arm fully extended out there because he was so confident that he’d be able to tip it to himself.

In other news, what the hell happened to football pants? There’s no thigh pads to speak of anymore, certainly nothing encroaching over the knee, and the padless lycra jazzercise pants are creeping way up above the fricking knee. I like it not.
 

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I agree on the bolded point completely.

I guess I just get caught up on a kickoff going out of bounds at the two-yard line resulting in the biggest penalty (in terms of yards) of the game, aside from a possible deep pass interference penalty. The punishment doesn't seem to fit the crime, IMHO...especially when I punt going out of bounds receives absolutely no penalty whatsoever.
I think you should think of it as a 15 yard penalty, because the only way to not allow a return is a touchback, so you're being penalized an additional 15 yards really since you couldn't have LEGALLY had the ball unreturned at the 2. Punts are live plays, you have a number of ways to effect the punt, therefore it makes sense to allow an OOB strategy, while a kickoff is a dead ball play, so it makes sense to not allow an OOB kick.
 

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I think you should think of it as a 15 yard penalty, because the only way to not allow a return is a touchback, so you're being penalized an additional 15 yards really since you couldn't have LEGALLY had the ball unreturned at the 2. Punts are live plays, you have a number of ways to effect the punt, therefore it makes sense to allow an OOB strategy, while a kickoff is a dead ball play, so it makes sense to not allow an OOB kick.
Ok, thanks...this makes more sense.