Week 7 Game Thread

[Deathofthebambino]

Mauf, I think you're right.  That play was no different than a screen pass.  Blocking downfield is legal on a pass behind the LOS.

 

[Ed Hillel]

I'm looking forward to all the "San Fran Locker Room Falling Apart!?" stories after tonight.

 

[E5 Yaz]

For a guy whose teams get as much apparent help from the officials as some believe, you'd think he'd have won more than one Super Bowl

 

[Super Nomario]

Mauf, I think you're right.  That play was no different than a screen pass.  Blocking downfield is legal on a pass behind the LOS.

Nope.

 

[Ed Hillel]

Mauf, I think you're right.  That play was no different than a screen pass.  Blocking downfield is legal on a pass behind the LOS.

That's legal because the blocking is done in the backfield as well.

Any block past the LoS before the receiver touches the ball is OPI. On that play, Welker was blocking before Manning threw it, and the other two blocked before the ball hit the WR's hands.

 

[mauf]

There can in the NFL. It's only negated if the action is behind the LoS.


http://www.nfl.com/rulebook/passinterference

From Wikipedia:

Pass interference rules in American high school and college football clearly cover only forward passes that travel beyond the neutral zone. In the NFL, the official rule is that "there can be no pass interference at or behind the line of scrimmage".

It's not a model of clarity, but I've never seen OPI called downfield on a throw behind the line, and I'm not sure the NFL intended to adopt a different rule than at other levels of football.

 

[Mystic Merlin]

Is Collinsworth suggesting that other QBs would have been sipping lemonade and looking around in the stands after that TD?
 
It's not enough to praise him legitimately; they need to invent distinguishing attributes for him.

 

[Cabin Mirror]

Mauf, I think you're right.  That play was no different than a screen pass.  Blocking downfield is legal on a pass behind the LOS.

 
It's basically a run play right? If the pass is backwards, it's the equivalent of a pitch or hand off, therefore the WRs are allowed to block defenders.

 

[Stitch01]

I think those are his power rankings. For now, I agree, but we'll know more in about a month after a lot of these teams play each other.

Yeah that's where I have these teams rated

 

[Mystic Merlin]

Might get to bed early tonight.
 
BUT NOT, OF COURSE, BEFORE I WITNESS HISTORY

 

[Stitch01]

This is gonna get real ugly

 

[mikeford]

What a fantastic drive.
 
Peyton will break this record before the quarter ends.

 

[Ed Hillel]

It's basically a run play right? If the pass is backwards, it's the equivalent of a pitch or hand off, therefore the WRs are allowed to block defenders.

The pass was forward, even though he caught it behind the LoS.

 

[E5 Yaz]

The way this is going, the Cardinals should have a two-game lead in the loss column already

 

[Ed Hillel]

From Wikipedia:


It's not a model of clarity, but I've never seen OPI called downfield on a throw behind the line, and I'm not sure the NFL intended to adopt a different rule than at other levels of football.

Seems odd at first, but I think it's fairly clear on second thought. If they meant to say there couldn't be OPI on a pass behind the LoS, they'd say that language. When they say there can be no PI, it's in reference to the act itself.

 

[Ed Hillel]

SEe, that was legal by Welker. He intentionally waited for Thomas to catch it before throwing the block.

 

[Senator Donut]

Manny being Manny

 

[mauf]

Seems odd at first, but I think it's fairly clear on second thought. If they meant to say there couldn't be OPI on a pass behind the LoS, they'd say that language. When they say there can be no PI, it's in reference to the act itself.

Keep in mind, you would have to interfere with the defender's ability to intercept the ball, not merely his ability to make a tackle after the catch -- that's not PI. So I don't think there was OPI on the play that started this conversation, no matter how the rule is interpreted.

 

[RedOctober3829]

Might want Easley over this NDSU chump in 2 weeks. He'll blow by him.

 

[Ed Hillel]

What does the SF defense do well?

Get arrested.

 

[Ed Hillel]

Keep in mind, you would have to interfere with the defender's ability to intercept the ball, not merely his ability to make a tackle after the catch -- that's not PI. So I don't think there was OPI on the play that started this conversation, no matter how the rule is interpreted.

Not so:

Actions that constitute offensive pass interference include but are not limited to:

(a) Blocking downfield by an offensive player prior to the ball being touched.

http://www.nfl.com/rulebook/passinterference

 

[Cabin Mirror]

The pass was forward, even though he caught it behind the LoS.

 
Just re-wound to watch again, and you're absolutely right. My mistake.

 

[ypioca]

What does the SF defense do well?

 
I like it when they get Harbaugh to lose his shit. That counts for me.

 

[Mystic Merlin]

Hey, look, an even more meaningless stat!

 

[Ed Hillel]

Thomas just broke Wilhoite's ankles. That was a sad attempt at a tackle.

 

[Super Nomario]

Keep in mind, you would have to interfere with the defender's ability to intercept the ball, not merely his ability to make a tackle after the catch -- that's not PI. So I don't think there was OPI on the play that started this conversation, no matter how the rule is interpreted.

Here the NFL VP of Officiating gives examples of OPI, and the example at 1:10 is a pass behind the LOS:
 
https://screen.yahoo.com/nfl-highlights/offensive-pass-interference-call-correct-002906145.html
 
Pretty definitive: you're not allowed allowed to block downfield before the ball is caught on a forward pass.

 

[ypioca]

SF is hopeless against this defense.

 

[Ed Hillel]

Do they really chant the Red Robin jingle after a good play?

 

[Al Zarilla]

What does the SF defense do well?

With Willis, Bowman and Aldon Smith out, I guess not much.

 

[Ed Hillel]

National Flagball League.

 

[DanoooME]

That's what happens when you throw to a sorry-ass receiver like Crabtree.

 

[Ed Hillel]

Brandon Lloyd refused a paycut to 2.5 million with the Pats, took a year off to film a zombie movie, then came back for less than a million bucks. Strange guy.

 

[mikeford]

Brandon Lloyd refused a paycut to 2.5 million with the Pats, took a year off to film a zombie movie, then came back for less than a million bucks. Strange guy.

Wait what

 

[E5 Yaz]

Wait what

 
"The Song The Zombie Sang" ... check it out

 

[Ed Hillel]

Wait what

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/23697876/watch-brandon-lloyd-starts-in-zombie-movie-after-effect

 

[Mystic Merlin]

4 downs
 
You have to be fucking shitting me with these drops

 

[Al Zarilla]

That's what happens when you throw to a sorry-ass receiver like Crabtree.

Crabtree is sorry ass? Does Seattle have anyone better?

 

[Al Zarilla]

Jesus, even Boldin drops one.

 

[Dollar]

Great job the 49ers getting that play off before the challenge.  And better job by the NBC production crew in not playing the relevant replay until after that play had already been run.
 
and yes, my online feed is a few minutes slow.

 

[Ed Hillel]

lol taking the FG against Denver.

 

[Ed Hillel]

Belichick would have too, so I can't laugh too hard.

 

[DanoooME]

Crabtree is sorry ass? Does Seattle have anyone better?

 
Jeez, you'd think coming from me it would be an obvious joke.

 

[Super Nomario]

Belichick would have too, so I can't laugh too hard.

Are there any NFL coaches that wouldn't have?

 

[eddiew112]

FFS

 

[mauf]

The probabilities were close to break-even there (assuming you think they only had a 30-40% chance to convert), so I'm sympathetic to the argument that you couldn't tolerate having a 90-yard drive that resulted in no points.

 

[PedroKsBambino]

Are there any NFL coaches that wouldn't have?

Riverboat Ron?

 

[Mystic Merlin]

They didn't have a video of him shitting his pants at age 4?

 

[Al Zarilla]

 
Jeez, you'd think coming from me it would be an obvious joke.

Well, Crab has no speed, and I thought, nevermind.

 

[ypioca]

They didn't have a video of him shitting his pants at age 4?

 
I would love to see the first Manningface, when Archie and mom told him Santa was fake.

 

[ypioca]

What the hell was that flag.