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as Lombardi said he’s our new GM
What do you want Pats to do with #3?
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I know this relationship has been reported quite a bit. I tend to believe if they had their choice they would go with him. Maybe it will work out that way, but it's looking more like another team (NE, or WASH) will have a better chance at him. In that scenario, they'd have to like Maye a lot more than JJ because presumably the cost would be much higher. Given what you've said about the Shanahan offense, I wonder if the gap is that large.
That's really interesting on Maye's mechanics. If he has the ability then I would hope it's all about coaching structure, etc. and not related to the speed of the game being ramped up.
Barnwell makes a good point about the excess value from a contract perspective that comes with hitting on a QB vs. other positions. Basically even if they only have a 20% chance of the QB becoming a starting caliber player, they should take one.
https://www.espn.com/nfl/insider/story/_/id/39865646/2024-nfl-draft-qb-hits-misses-history-lessons-first-round-williams-daniels-maye-mccarthy
The prospect the Pats take at that selection will land a four-year deal worth $35.8 million, or just under $9 million per year.
If we compare that number to what the average top-10 player at each position (or top-20 player for each position when a team typically has two players on the field at one time, like wide receiver or edge rusher) has landed on multiyear veteran deals, we get a sense of what the market looks like for each position. We can use that information to estimate how confident the Patriots would have to be about whomever they take at No. 3 to justify making that pick. What that evidence suggests tells us why teams are comfortable pushing quarterbacks up their board:
Should The Patriots Take A QB At No. 3?
That's remarkable. If the Patriots think Drake Maye (North Carolina) or Jayden Daniels (LSU) have even a 20% chance of turning into an NFL-caliber starting quarterback, they would be justified taking him with their pick. They would need to have more than an 80% chance of feeling confident about a running back to justify the same selection. No position is in the same ballpark as quarterback; the needed confidence rate for Marvin Harrison Jr. at wide receiver is twice as high than it would be for a player under center.
Drafting isn't this simple. The Patriots will have a number of players they believe will turn out to be NFL-caliber players at No. 3, so the presence of Maye or Daniels doesn't inherently mean they should draft a quarterback. A team might be far more confident about Harrison's chances of turning into an elite wide receiver than Maye's chances of becoming a top-flight quarterback, which changes the calculations. NFL teams are also trying to build 53-man rosters as opposed to maximizing their surplus value, so they can't just draft a quarterback in Round 1 every year and laugh their way to the bank.
You get the idea, though: The upside of drafting quarterbacks is significantly higher than it is at any other position.
https://www.espn.com/nfl/insider/story/_/id/39865646/2024-nfl-draft-qb-hits-misses-history-lessons-first-round-williams-daniels-maye-mccarthy
The prospect the Pats take at that selection will land a four-year deal worth $35.8 million, or just under $9 million per year.
If we compare that number to what the average top-10 player at each position (or top-20 player for each position when a team typically has two players on the field at one time, like wide receiver or edge rusher) has landed on multiyear veteran deals, we get a sense of what the market looks like for each position. We can use that information to estimate how confident the Patriots would have to be about whomever they take at No. 3 to justify making that pick. What that evidence suggests tells us why teams are comfortable pushing quarterbacks up their board:
Should The Patriots Take A QB At No. 3?
| QB | $46,360,567 | 19.3% |
| EDGE | $22,137,138 | 40.4% |
| WR | $21,388,717 | 41.8% |
| DT | $20,598,496 | 43.4% |
| T | $19,327,301 | 46.3% |
| G | $15,557,917 | 57.5% |
| CB | $15,260,197 | 58.6% |
| TE | $14,337,500 | 62.4% |
| S | $11,244,553 | 79.5% |
| LB | $11,110,417 | 80.5% |
| RB | $11,046,667 | 81.0% |
| C | $9,983,333 | 89.6% |
That's remarkable. If the Patriots think Drake Maye (North Carolina) or Jayden Daniels (LSU) have even a 20% chance of turning into an NFL-caliber starting quarterback, they would be justified taking him with their pick. They would need to have more than an 80% chance of feeling confident about a running back to justify the same selection. No position is in the same ballpark as quarterback; the needed confidence rate for Marvin Harrison Jr. at wide receiver is twice as high than it would be for a player under center.
Drafting isn't this simple. The Patriots will have a number of players they believe will turn out to be NFL-caliber players at No. 3, so the presence of Maye or Daniels doesn't inherently mean they should draft a quarterback. A team might be far more confident about Harrison's chances of turning into an elite wide receiver than Maye's chances of becoming a top-flight quarterback, which changes the calculations. NFL teams are also trying to build 53-man rosters as opposed to maximizing their surplus value, so they can't just draft a quarterback in Round 1 every year and laugh their way to the bank.
You get the idea, though: The upside of drafting quarterbacks is significantly higher than it is at any other position.
This is one given for 2024 that I keep seeing repeated - "Our defense in 2023 was top 10, so run it back, and it'll be top 10 again". Well...no. Four key ingredients:
- BB and SB are gone. We _think_ Mayo and Covington will step up and Do Their Jobs, but one must not ignore the stepdown from the most successful DC-as-HC in NFL history.
- MUCH tougher schedule. Total team rankings average out over the season, but having to play 2024 CIN/SF/HOU vs. 2023 DAL/PHI as out-of-division high powered offenses likely means an extra loss "on the D".
- Dugger holdout, also holding up a bunch of money that could be used to replace him.
- Some turnover. The Pats haven't lost huge talent on D, but they did lose starters in Guy, Mills, Bryant and Mack Wilson. They have nominal replacements, but none are clear talent upgrades (other than maybe Keion White in year 2), and thus are question marks.
I don't think the defense will be top 10 for sure, but it is a proven good defense in terms of established prime-year talent, compared to some of the teams we were comparing to, could it fall off a cliff, for sure it could, but a lot of the major players are back and have a multi-year history of success.
I also don't read anything into the schedule, we do this every year. Last year the Patriots had one of the hardest projected schedules (3rd or 1st depending which method was used), it ended up 18th. The whole point of that string of posts was... unless a team is truly trying to tank and strips down (Dolphins, and even that was shaky) you can't reliably project the bottom 3 teams in the league, far too much of it is variable based on injuries, etc. and the differences between the worst and 15th worst roster are slimmer than people think.
The combined factors of losing BB and to a much lesser degree SB might impact the defense more than we'd like to think too. Also add in that teams might have played us conservatively or taken their foot off the gas balanced with hopefully having your two best players back and we're looking at an above average defense. I hope anyway. I agree with the premise though that you can't assume they will be back here again. You either loaded up on future picks or you take a QB this year. Both have risks. You are probably worse next year and more likely to finish bottom 10 if you take a QB but that isn't necessarily a bad thing because they with a high pick you can find that franchise LT.
What would Carolina drafting Bryce Young (instead of Stroud or Richardson) have to do with the Patriots taking a QB this year? Just because they picked the wrong guy and threw him into a dumpster fire of a situation, the Pats should avoid taking a QB because he too could be a bust? And I don't think it's QB or bust, it's take a QB if you feel he can be the guy. That's just something that us fans won't know until draft day.It would be interesting to see how many of those same people beating the "YOU GO FOR IT. FRANCHISE QB OR BUST!" drum so loudly last winter to justify Carolina drafting Bryce into a similar high probability to fail situation are still holding the logic line there today. Especially AFTER he (and pretty much every other QB for that matter), who in essence is still more or less the same QB talent now that he was then, start losing a lot of that hype machine driven value the moment it gets driven off the lot.
Would trading Bryce Young today net you a pick high enough to take that JJ flyer this year? Does it get you Penix or Nix?
Listen, no one in here wants the Pats to pick the wrong guy. If you are telling me now that the Patriots are drafting the next Mac Jones or Zach Wilson, then yeah, it's a disaster and a terrible decision to take that guy at 3. But if you're telling me I've got a shot at the next Stroud/Richardson/Allen/Mahomes then I'm going to take my chances and draft the QB. Might work out great, might not, but I'm taking a shot on a high end talent that might not be available to me next year (who knows where they'll be picking, weak QB class, etc).
If the Pats take a QB at #3, there should be absolutely no rush to throw him into a bad situation like CAR did with Young. Maybe a couple starts down the stretch if you feel comfortable with your OL and receiving group and then keep adding offensive talent around the kid next year.
And while trading Bryce Young today might not net you enough to take that JJ flyer, what would a trade net you if you had CJ Stroud or Anthony Richardson?
Bruce Feldman from the Athletic has a mock draft with Daniels going 2nd and Maye going to the Pats, which is what I'm personally hoping for.
2024 NFL mock draft: What sources say about Williams, Daniels, McCarthy and other prospects
2024 NFL mock draft: What sources say about Williams, Daniels, McCarthy and other prospects
Schefter is an operator so who knows, but he did suggest, if not report, the Commanders would take Daniels.
View: https://twitter.com/brycennfl/status/1775899979795570951?s=46&t=1S4eWjX_rzBBrpPNddRPAg
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I hope he's right. That's what several others have reported for some time. Very happy that Daniels shot up this season. Maye is a very good "consolation prize" at #3.
Overall, I think I like Maye the most out of the likely available options. The reason is that I think the negatives on Maye are likely/hopefully things that can be improved/coached up, etc. Zolak can get all excited about JJ McCarthy's footwork, but I would assume that is something that a 21 year old can still improve upon. The combination of Maye's frame and arm strength seem like things that are more natural gifts that Daniels and McCarthy don't have.
At the end of the year it was "oh shit we aren't going to get into the Top 2, we're screwed" now they can get Maye at #3? Sign me up.
To me it's about what it would look like if Maye works out in contrast to what it would look like if McCarthy works out. The Patriots will be competing with Mahomes, Allen, Burrow, Herbert, Lamar, Stroud for the next decade+, if the best case scenario for the guy you pick at 3 isn't at the level of these other players, I'm not interested. I think Maye's pie in the sky, 95% percentile outcome borders on that group, JJ's doesn't. So I don't really care all that much if McCarthy is more likely to reach his ceiling, considering he'll likely still need a ton of help even if he does.
View: https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1776003408895295523?t=9PDTfQEP5aAETQw8HJjpHw&s=19
Daniels will visit Monday
Daniels will visit Monday
These are both legit reasons to expect the D to be worse next year (or at least not to produce as many wins). Mayo and Covington were highly regarded coaches, too, and the line and front seven were relative areas of strength, but still.
I think this is overly focused on the negative.
We don't know how the Dugger situation will play out yet. It ay end badly but that is not assured.
As to the others you mentioned:
- Guy played 46% of defensive snaps, and he has been a very good player for the Pats over the years. He signed a 4 year, $11.5 million deal with the Chargers that has $1 million signing bonus and only $3.1 million in guarantees. Less of a contract than what the Pats gave him last time. Guy is 34, which probably explains that. At any rate, he clearly left because the Pats didn't want him back. That doesn't mean he won't be a loss, but they clearly don't view him as the answer to anything.
- Mills played 40% of defensive snaps last year. He signed a 1-year deal for $1.4 million and less than 500,000 guaranteed, so another guy the Pats could have had back if they wanted.
- WIlson played 27% of defensive snaps last year. He signed for 3 years, $13 million, half guaranteed. He did emerge late in a situational pass rusher role, but it would be hard to call him a key to the success of the defense last year.
- Bryant played 75% of defensive snaps last year. I'd say he was a bigger part of team success than any of the other three. But he ended up singing a 1 year deal for $2.7 million with nothing guaranteed. Clearly another cas eof Pats being willing to move on.
Anyone can be a bust but the funny part is that I think I am actually more comfortable with having the WFT pick our next QB than the Patriots doing it. For all the noise that is probably what will happen and I am fine with letting Washington do what Washington does. This is low stress. Very little is in the Patriots’ control unless you really think they are going to trade or not pick a QB, which I don’t.
Sure, but the point is that they're unlikely to make a splash in picking up another decent safety while attention and a lot of money are tied up in Dugger. My point remains that there's a decent level of uncertainty, based on a few guys leaving, being replaced with draftees and statistically similar players, and without much of the defensive braintrust.
I’d say there’s a lot of uncertainty. Two of their top 3-4 players on D are on the downside of their careers (Jonathan Jones and Judon), two others (Peppers and Tavai) are kind of unknown as to whether or not their career years were truly their ability level moving forward or perhaps an example of Belichick’s coaching/scheme elevating them.
There’s also virtually no depth anywhere except maybe run stopping linebacker. The #3-5 CB and 3-4 safeties are unknown young players (M.Jones), practice squad types or low end cast offs from other teams. The DL other than Barmore is a bunch of JAGs and role players.
And yeah, getting Gonzalez and Judon back helps but injuries always happen and other teams’ offenses will get their guys back too so it evens out to some degree.
The biggest concern, other than the complete lack of depth, is the loss of the Belichicks. Over the years we saw a lot of guys play well with the Pats and look much worse elsewhere under different coaches. I think there’s a much bigger risk of regression for a lot of these “Belichick guys” than a lot of people are assuming. Mayo is an unknown as a coach, Covington is unknown as a playcaller and Mayo will be stretched thinner now with more responsibility.
Takitaki is a lateral move from Wilson. Watts and Hawkins aren’t roster locks and are very limited role players at best. That there was no actual improvement to the defensive side of the roster is surprising to me. They’re putting a lot of faith in young unknown guys (M.Jones, Mapu, Austin etc), practice squad quality guys (Bledsoe, Roberts, Marco Wilson) and overaged scrap heap type guys (Pharms, Ekuale, etc) while simultaneously hoping their low end starter/useful role players like Wise and Bentley don’t regress with a different coaching regime.
Unless you think McCarthy is a consideration or if there’s only one non-Williams the Pats would consider
The idea that Washington is picking the Pats QB assumes there are exactly 3 QB the Pats would be happy with at 3. If there’s 2 or 4, it doesn’t really work.
As I've already stated above it's the best current and highest probability outcome comp on the table for you here. We can obviously argue that point, and it's one I wouldn't expect to win here on a Patriots board. But I will again simply point out that you will hard pressed to find any evaluation analysis outside of here that isn't weighing the 2024 patriots in as the AFC's Carolina Panthers.
As for the rest I also disagree with the very foundation of your logic that i see as wishcasting heavily on this idea concept that the Pats "just need to pick the right guy" here. As I side much more in favor with the mindset that the surrounding situation a QB gets drafted into can at times be equally impactful as which of the QB prospects a team ends up taking. With the 2024 Patriots currently residing in the role of your typical terrible team looking to a draft a young QB into an abysmal development situation. To an extent it doesn't matter nearly as much which of Maye or Daniels you draft, since the guy you call up to podium is likely the one that outlook is then going to project as the least likely to pan out. Again, it is also that seemingly universal belief driving much of the outside speculation logic that keeps circling back to the idea that trading out might be in the best currently projected interests of your team.
I wasn't bringing up Bryce Young's trade value in direct reference to a possibility you'd want to trade the guy a year latter either. It was simply to better highlight what the most probable (by far imo) outcome actually ends up looking like a year from now. Which should at least be factoring in to anybody getting too hung up in the moment on any idea that passing over this opportunity to pick #3 likely just screws you over in that search for a "franchise qb". If that Pats and that #3 pick go out and put up the Carolina/Bryce Young season next year then you can bet your kids college fund that a year from now there will at least be one readily available to you QB in the draft that many here will be a lot more excited about then the current guy. Whether it's at #3 again or #15. Who's likely starting from scratch in year 2 after Kraft, like most increasingly desperate bad team owner before him, breaks rule #1 in the Tom Brady guide to success handbook and starts firing people in the wake of firing Bill just to come out looking even worse on the other side.
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Calling Armon Watts a pass rushing DT is quite a stretch. 1.5 sacks over the last 2 years and entering his age 28 season with his 3rd team in 3 years. He’s a bottom of the roster rotation guy if he even makes the team. He had a nice year with Minnesota when Dalvin Tomlinson was consistently eating double teams next to him but there’s no reason to think he’s anything more than roster fodder.
Fair enough. I really just meant that he was a passing downs kind of guy as opposed to a run stuffer.
Right -- my working assumption is that the 3 QBs will go 1-2-3 and the Patriots will take whichever is there. I really don't believe any of the noise to the contrary. In which case, the WFT will pick our next QB. No reason to believe my assumption is right, of course. And I'm usually wrong. But it's kind of the Occam's razor way to look at it.
Why would you select a team that traded a bunch of assets to move up for a QB as the best comp as opposed to the teams that sucked and used their own pick on a QB? Especially when the later had worse win O/U than CAR?
NE situation is far more similar to the 2023 Texans, 2021 Jets or 2020 Bengals or Dolphins... Bad teams with high picks in every round who could draft a top QB prospect without a trade of future assets, expected to to be bad the next year
Because the extra picks you'll end up with after this draft don't actually factor in to what 2024 season is projected to look like, or how the season is going to play out for a somewhat similar overall talent level team. And the extra 2nd rounder you'll have on draft day doesn't really move the projection needle all that far forward for me in that said big picture.
I'll point this out one last time here too. The people that keep pointing to the Texans outcome, while not even mentioning all the other things they got right or even Bobby Slowik's name for that matter, are making the most empty of substance comparisons imo. Not that it matters much here, but i was at least 100 rage posts deep on discord last winter pointing out why my own team needed to be out there hiring a promising up and coming offense mind like Bobby Slowik i could dream on instead Nathaniel Hackett. AVP might be no Hackett, but nobody outside of NE is confusing him, that hire, or really anythign else the Patriots have done within their messy loooking "succession" changes to what Houston did.
The last shred of the Patriots franchise getting any outside and default benefit of the doubt nods, while fielding such a bad looking team, basically walked out the door with Bill B imo.
I’ve read this thread and I am somewhat confused as to what you are getting at
I get that your basic point is that no QB is a guaranteed star and that the Patriots could end up with a lemon which leads to a 3 year downturn, after which NE has to do this all over again.
I think that’s been acknowledged by virtually everyone in this thread, it’s just that the reward outweighs the risk. I am unsure as to what else you are getting at or why Carolina always has to be included
additionally, the fact that you keep using the Panthers as a comparison is unfair. The reason that the Panthers are seen as such a hopeless laughingstock now is because of the price they paid to move up to get a QB (who looks like a bust). Those are the moves that are absolutely killer to a franchise.
It was rhetorical I already know that you looked at the disaster outcome you wanted and tried to force the comp over the more applicable comps in terms of rosters and picks.
Nobody expects the Texans outcome, they had to crush on the draft make good trades and nail their coaching hires. Maybe NE does that.. Maybe they don't and end up the Jets or worse, the Browns or Bears historically but those are the comps not a team in significantly less similar position going into the draft.
While no one should EXPECT the Texans outcome, there is a path here. Hit on a QB at 3, OT at 34, and WR at 68, and they could build at least a competent offense; pair it with a defense that plays to a similar level (hopefully better with Judon and Gonzalez back), and hopefully better special teams (goodbye Achord), and you have a 10 win wild card type of team. That is obviously 90th or better percentile outcome. But I wouldn't say it is an absurd, zero-chance possibility.
Yeah my point was the Texans immediate year one playoff team jump is very unusual, usually even if you hit on QB it's more of a 2-4 year time line at best, and when people make the HOU comp it's not some assumption of the same outcome but highlighting a similar situation in terms of draft position for a top but not #1QB and a roster that had limited success and was projected as one of the worst.
And in a similar vein, the Bengals went to the SB in year 2 with Burrow. He was the #1 pick, but he wasn't the #1 pick heading into the college football season like Williams is this year.
Given how the NFL works, if the Pats aren't a playoff team in 2025, something has gone wrong - maybe the QB, maybe Mayo, maybe something else. But there will likely be a change in leadership (again, maybe Mayo, maybe Wolf) if they miss the playoffs in the first two years with their new QB.
If ownership is stupid enough to start firing people two years into a rebuild because they haven't made the playoffs in a difficult division, they will deserve the bottom-third, not quite mediocre teams that will likely follow for years.
The Texans "immediate year one playoff team jump" was actually the result of a three year rebuild. The Patriots are not there yet, and won't be just bc they nail #3, #34 and #68. They'll be on their way, but that's not the same.
That is a remarkably generous interpretation. HOU thought they were a playoff team in 2020...they stunk and formed their coach, they had basically no draft in 2021 due to precious trades. They were terrible and fired their coach after 1 year. They then traded their QB for the picks. You could've call it a real rebuild in 2022, when they tanked then fired the coach again. I think you can make the case that they were in year 2 of their rebuild last year. Before that they weren't rebuilding really they were just bad.
Elaborate... I suppose they could have a season similar to the 2021 Chargers where they went 9-8 in Herbert's 2nd season and he threw 38 TDs to 15 INTs and they missed the playoffs and we'd be happy?
Edit: but again if their QB throws 38 TD : 15 INT in year 2 and they don't make the playoffs, something has gone wrong IMO. There's a reason Staley isn't the coach any more.
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They went 6-18 and people got fired.
I think if they go ~ 5-12 twice people are likely to get fired.
Houston at least had a line and drafted some WRs the years before.
I don’t think there is a right way to do this aside from if you like a QB at 3 you take him because you might not get the chance again. At the same time if they take Drake Maye and he starts year 1 right away and their other picks at, likely, LT and WR don’t pan out in year 1 he’s going to be a disaster. He’s probably going to be a disaster if he has to start a lot in year 1 anyway.
On a side note I was going through his tape with @Zincman and it is just such a clusterfuck of terrible throw after terrible throw mixed in an S-tier throw. I was listening to Matt St. Jean interview Nate Tice about him (and other topics) and it astonishes me how cavalier his fans are of his accuracy issues. I sincerely believe Nate has blinders on. That or he hasn’t watched the bad half of Drake Maye’s games. There is a tendency for draft analysts to fall in love with QBs who look the part and have big arms. The level of confidence that people have in draft QBs is completely misplaced in general. I learned that along the way myself. Speaking from experience.
It is funny to me how people are see JJM and Maye as drastically different prospects when I see a lot of similarities. Both guys struggle with in structure on platform accuracy throwing to the outside. Both guys have a habit of overthrowing deep balls. Both guys miss ILBs underneath routes. Both guys are good runners. Both guys throw line drives. They have their differences but both guys have some Drew Lock to their games.
reading this thread, knowing the experience and knowledge so many of you bring to the table, ive never been so depressed to have the #3 pick in the draft.
It makes me pray that Minny will offer up those 4 firsts if Maye drops to 3.reading this thread, knowing the experience and knowledge so many of you bring to the table, ive never been so depressed to have the #3 pick in the draft.
I was watching that Tice interview today too, feels like he's been getting MORE extreme on Maye as time goes on. Not sure if it is that now he's known as the Maye Guy so might as well go all in, or just a response to the all in on Daniels guys who are really negative about Maye. I think Brugler is a guy who is also high on Maye but a lot more realistic about his flaws/risks.
I did think the Daniels portion of that interview was good, he brought up a lot of stuff many like Orlovsky have been hand waiving. The whole "oh maybe LSU just decided to never run anything over the middle and Daniels will be good there as a pro" stuff has been silly, also the lack of throwing or even looking to throw once he moves.
People can reasonably disagree about BB's choices at any particular point given the data at hand, but he had four years to get things back on track after Brady left, and here we are. The idea that the a rebuild began two years ago is ahistorical.
2024: Improvement. The offense begins to at least appear to have a clue. Maye/Daniels show that they can be an NFL QB, even if they didn't start immediately. Defense mostly carries them, but a functioning offense has spurts, especially late, as Maye/Daniels show life. Maybe similar to Bledsoe's rookie year and team wins 6-7 games, with some kind of signature game late in season for rookie QB, like Bledsoe's finale in '93, beating Miami.
2025: A jump to .500ish team (or just go 8-8-1) as team adds a few more weapons as they know what they have at QB. Team wins 8-10, but if they fall short of the postseason at 9-8, and people think Mayo or Wolf should be out? Yeesh.
That would show progression. And not a playoff team. And not a season that costs anyone their job. I gotta think if next season has a rookie QB flashing skills and 2025 shows more progression, maybe on fringes of playoff hunt late, we'd take it.
A 3 year plan in the East might work--Jets window, if you believe in Rodgers, is a year or 2. Bills might be rebooting, albeit with a really good QB, and Tyreek Hill is already 30 and I'm not sure Tua takes next step and can drag a team on his back.
Yeah it really depends on the details of how both the offense and defense plays. Personally I find it hard to believe we are all good with status quo after year 2 if they’re not a playoff team but reasonable minds may differ I suppose.
Why do you think this QB class is being so hyped by other analysts? I don’t want to be put words in your mouth, but you seem to think this is basically a normal year for QBs while others seem to think it is above average
Eh. We have some great insights on this board, but let's not pretend anyone has any actual idea what's going to happen. Maye could be the worst QB in the league or he could be an all pro in 3 years. Nobody has a clue, here or elsewhere.reading this thread, knowing the experience and knowledge so many of you bring to the table, ive never been so depressed to have the #3 pick in the draft.