Why Do I Continue to Read Peter King?

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Yeah I dislike PK as much as the next guy but I'm pretty sure he's just crossing his right leg over his left. Would be pretty ridiculous to have his feet on the desk.
I was obviously kidding, but I mean, who's interviewing whom there? King looks like he's in a freaking barcalounger.
 

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You know who he reminds me of? The corrupt politicians in mob movies (e.g. "The Godfather II", "Casino") that come after the mobsters for money.

At first it's all:

"Hey, you scratch my back, I'll scratch yours! Right? Now come on, give me a payoff/inside information, I'll give you some polical cover/softball questions, and we can go enjoy your daughter's wedding/lunch buffet"

Then someone resists, and the tone changes to:

"I don't know if you know who I am, but you probably don't want to cross me. I have friends/10,000 twitter followers. And I was here before you, and I'll be here when you're gone. So you better not fire my cousin/tell someone my article was incorrect".

And then finally:

"Has Ace Rothstein ever filed a gaming license?/Has Bill Belichick ever won a Superbowl without a great defense?"

This is to say: I hope someone puts Brett Favre's head in King's bed.
 

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But seriously, he's corrupted. His opinions are nearly worthless.
 

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KSK had a special section of Peter King fantasy football names
PK’s Dachau Dirt Dogs
One-Man Horse Race
Double-A Trenton Thundercunts
Allagash Gashes
First Grade Fantasyology 101
Usual All-Time Incongruity
EvoShield Quasi-Rape Van
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Call Me, MAYBE
Andrew Luck, Franchise Architect
I died at Call Me, MAYBE
 

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Someone called out Peter King on twitter for his vapid update about Andrew Luck. King's retort was as unsurprising as it was detestable. A true man of the people.


“@SI_PeterKing: Asked Andrew Luck Friday what's surprised him about this camp. Pause. "Not much, really,'' he said. "Can't really think of anything.''”

“@SI_PeterKing: RT @Rubenwduran: And they *pay* you for these nuggets? ... Handsomely, yes.”
 

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Today's column strikes me as a standard effort by America's most self-involved sports columnist. But I have to admit that when I first saw that picture, I was positive there was going to be an offensive OJ Simpson joke coming...

Edit: Was going to resist a deeper comment, but I'll just throw a teaser out there. The bit about Springsteen at Fenway - giving the quote, giving the lyrics, telling about the fan reaction, providing the most simplistic explanatory context possible and then, for anyone brain-damaged enough to not get it, explain Springsteen's comments: "Thus, the good-hearted apology" - is one of the more significant facepalm moments I've ever experienced.
 

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OMG I can't wait. I'm a big Springsteen fan, so this should be good (as in, especially disgusting to me).
 

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1. Too bad Andrew Luck will have only one national game this year. In Colts camp Friday, I asked Luck what had surprised him about his first NFL camp and preseason. He paused. "Not much, really. Can't really think of anything.''
Except for one bad interception at Pittsburgh Sunday night, in which Luck either didn't recognize a well-executed zone blitz or saw it too late, he's playing like nothing surprises him. In 11 possessions in his first two games, Luck has led six scoring drives (five touchdowns, one field goal), with three punts and two picks. Looks like Luck's going to be must-see TV all season, but it'll have to be DirecTV must-see with the Sunday Ticket package ... because the Colts are due for one national game, a Thursday nighter in November at the Jags. "We've seen a few misses at the number one spot,'' Mike Tomlin told Michele Tafoya of the NBC crew. "He ain't no miss."
1) Please, Please, Please, let Andrew Luck be a bust.
2) 11 possessions, 2 interceptions? That averages out to about 2 INTs per game. 32 Interceptions would be, well, a lot. The scoring drives are nice, sure, let's not start sucking each other's lattes just yet.
3) I think one national game, to give everyone a look at Luck, is 100% fair, and possibly even generous to the Colts. They were the worst team in the league last year.

[from some detroit lions website] "The best negotiating leverage any group of workers could hope to have is a game tape of Friday night's game between the Lions and Ravens. The NFL's real referees, who haven't worked in the exhibition season because of stalled contract negotiations with the NFL, could use that tape as a bargaining chip the size of a manhole cover. For the good of the NFL and its image, the league must find a way to replace the replacements with the real guys. The Ravens are one of the NFL's benchmark franchises, and the Lions are a young team on the rise with their own star power. But the third team on the field -- eight men in striped jerseys -- were a disgrace on any level of officiating football.''
A bargaining chip's worth is not related to its physical size.
Case in point: an 18-yard facemask penalty on Detroit near the end of the first quarter ... after a 2-minute, 50-second delay and series of conferences to figure out how to mark it off. I mean, it's gone too far.
Ok, again, I get that the replacement refs kind of suck, but this reveals the impossible damned-if-they-do, damned-if-they-don't position they are in vis a vis King. If they had rushed to judgment and avoided the [commercial] break, King would have bitched that they are endangering player safety by missing the call (and really, has King complained about breaks in football before? Ever? This is like complaining about intentional walks in baseball, it's just something fans deal with, and, I'm confident in saying, most fans would prefer refs take some extra time to figure out what happened. I mean, for shit's sake, whenever a *real* ref fucks up a call and has to overturn it due to instant replay, it takes about 5 minutes. And that's after they fucked something up!). Oh, and King never whether the call was correct or not (I'm assuming it was).

Today, for the good of the game, the league negotiators must reach out to representatives for the real officials, including refs Scott Green and Jeff Triplette, and hammer out an agreement.
The officials have to drop their demand to keep a pension that's better than full-time NFL employees have, and the league has to jack up the money it has offered by $10 million or $12 million over the seven-year life of the contract. It's time. I can't say it better than Bears cornerback Charles Tillman did late Saturday night: "Can we get our refs back? ... Replacement refs aren't cutting it.''
Peter King: sports writer, travel memoir-ist, barista, food critic, brewmaster, supreme court critic, constitutional law scholar, humorist, long-distance runner....(drum roll)....LABOR RELATIONS MEDIATOR!

Oh, but what about that manhole sized bargaining chip, King?
 

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Four Andrew Luck notes from my brief time around the Colts:
Oh goody.

1. Nothing looks uncomfortable for him. I don't know any better way to say it. But watching him practice, he looks at ease, like a kid who's spent 10 hours studying for a final exam and is sure he has the answers.
What an uncomfortably phrased first sentence. "Uncomfortable for him"? Wouldn't "He never looks uncomfortable" be better? or "Nothing he encounters has made him uncomfortable"? Odd.

Oh. And, um, 10 hours really isn't a long time to study for a final exam. Unless you studied sports medicine or some shit like King no doubt did. 10 hours? Seriously?

2. What's troubled him, or been difficult for him? I asked. "I was more prepared to learn this offense than I was to learn the offense at Stanford coming out of high school,'' he told me. "At Stanford, I was pretty young, and we had the West Coast with some other things -- the Schembechler influence, and a little bit of the Bear Bryant influence. And as a freshman in college, it was pretty heavy.
"What's been difficult for you?" is King's favorite softball. It's like the "What's your biggest weakness?" cliche that people sometimes get asked in interviews. It begs for the respondent to recite a line of rehearsed bullshit. And, of course, Luck doesn't even answer the fucking question. He says, paraphrasing, "This shit is easier than Stanford. Stanford, now that was kind of hard."

That's um...that's the opposite of what you were looking for, King.

"The tough thing here, I'd say, have been the protections. We ran one type of dropback protection at Stanford, but here there's man protection, slide protection, scat protection [no backs kept in, and man blocking by the line]. There's a protection where the TE's staying in, where the RB releases, where the center IDs the MIKE linebacker, when I ID the MIKE linebacker, where this guy's the hot guy, or another receiver's hot ... and I've got to make sure I'm on the same page as the receivers. It's tough.''
And then he gives some line about how protections are hard. I guess it's a decent answer, but it does seem eerily reminiscent of the "Let's just say we had problems with protection" line from Manning a few years back.

3. Think of it: How lucky is Indianapolis, the franchise and the football city? In 1997, Manning, the best NFL prospect in college football, passed on the chance to go No. 1 to the Jets to play one more year at Tennessee; the Colts benefited by earning the first pick in 1998 and drafting him. In 2011, Luck, the best NFL prospect in college football, passed on the chance to go No. 1 to Carolina so he could play one more season at Stanford; the Colts got the first pick in 2012 and Luck in their laps.
Ok, fuck off. You can't say this without at least hinting that it wasn't all "luck". The Colts did not try at all last year. They knew exactly what they were doing. This isn't like they had the 8th pick and Luck somehow fell to them. No, once Manning was out for the year, this became the plan. And fuck you, King, for not risking your precious access to Luck, which you are clearly using to build up Luck, so that you can get into his good graces and continue to have puffy non-quotes from him for the next decade, by pointing out the obviously semi-shady shit that the Colts pulled to make sure they drafted him.

And fuck Indianapolis, boring ass hick backwater town.

Time will tell if Luck's the Hall of Fame shoo-in Manning is, but surely the pedigree and the ability say he has a chance to be an all-timer. I'm getting way ahead of myself, but imagine Luck having a long career for the Colts and playing well. Two quarterbacks in 30 years, with no quarterback controversies, no jobs on the line because the GM failed at finding a quarterback. Amazing thing.
No QB controversies? NO QB CONTROVERSIES? Were you in a fucking coma this past winter? Let me summarize 90% of pre-draft NFL coverage:

WHEN THEY DRAFT LUCK, WHAT THE FUCK WILL THE COLTS DO WITH MANNING? CAN THEY COEXIST?!?!?!

4. Luck says he avoids social media and watching and reading much in the mainstream media, "as somewhat of a tactic to making sure I stay sane ... Ignorance is bliss, right? I've never been one to enjoy listening to myself on TV, or reading about myself. I mean, I have gotten big-headed at times, but it's pretty easy to come back to earth if you ignore all of that stuff.''
Yea, and then we get the typical "smart white boy" shit that King always lays on at the end of a good, long, ballwashing session. "See, you can't blame ME for liking him. This is a good, wholesome, kid!"

TBC
 

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I came away liking what I saw out of the Colts, though it probably won't translate to playoff contention this year.
"Even though the Colts will no doubt be terrible this year, I just love Andrew Luck. Don't you?"

This is the way my Sunday morning in Green Bay started: with a run. A five-miler. I wanted to see if I could run it all on streets with Packer connotations, and I found it was much easier than I thought. I started from my hotel on Tony Canadeo Run, running west, curling around Brett Favre Steakhouse, went left on Brett Favre Pass, right on Holmgren Way a short jog up to Lombardi Avenue, turned around, ran two miles or so south down Holmgren Way, then came back up Holmgren Way, took a right onto Brett Favre Pass, curled around Brett Favre Steakhouse on Tony Canadeo Run, and back to the hotel.
Ah, so when you say you were going to try to avoid all Packer connections, you actually mean you...sought them out for comedic effect! I know this because I've been to Green Bay, and like 95% of the streets are not, in fact, related to the Packers. There are actual people who live there, and have real jobs (they don't just tailgate all year), and if I were them, I'd be pretty tired of vaguely-pejorative bullshit like this.

Had I wished, I could have jogged a couple minutes further down Tony Canadeo Run and hit Reggie White Way, then Bart Starr Drive. But why use up all the fun on one trip here?
Yep. Pretty tired of bullshit like this.

I walked over to watch the morning practice on Ray Nitschke Field, and when coach Mike McCarthy saw lightning, he had the players finish practice inside, in the multi-field Don Hutson Center. Post-practice interviews took place in the locker room and bowels of (Curly) Lambeau Field.
Well, jesus, man, that's the fucking team property. What are they going to name it after, a cheese company? What's the problem with this?

I got my cab to the airport in front of the Lambeau statue. It's called the Austin Straubel Airport, named after a local World War II Army hero. You mean they couldn't have changed the name to Ron Wolf International Airport? What's wrong with this town!
King! You comedic genius you! Taking a stereotype to absurd lengths! Hah!

Next: King asks the question we've all been wondering: why are dames so touchy about how they look?
 

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Quote of the Week V


"Sorry about that!''
-- Bruce Springsteen during his Fenway Park concert last Tuesday, interrupting the song "Wrecking Ball'' with an apology.

"Wrecking Ball'' contains these lyrics:
"Now my home's here in these Meadowlands where mosquitoes grow big as airplanes,
"Here where the blood is spilled, the arena's filled, and Giants played their games ... "

Get it? Springsteen was in the land of the Patriots. When he said these words, the ultimate Jersey guy got booed heavily. Patriots fans don't exactly love the Giants, or anything New York/New Jersey, in fact. Thus the good-hearted apology.
I don't even know what to say. First of all, I'm not wild about that song. A little history: it was written on the fly for the series of shows that closed the old Giants Stadium back in 2008. As such, it was played early in the sets for about five concerts to honor the occasion. Naturally, there is some metaphorical language in there that begs comparisons between the fate of the stadium and the fate of the fans that visited it over the years, and the fate of Springsteen himself. In fact, that line King quoted is (I think) the only one that makes a direct reference to the actual stadium. The theme is, you know, we have our glories, then we get old, and shit happens, but you just gotta deal with it and things will get better. Not exactly profound. Like I said, I'm not a big fan of it, but it's not as awful as the line King quotes out of context makes it sound (and which makes me believe the metaphorical aspects of the song is completely lost on King).

That being said: I have no idea why King felt the need to put that comment there. It plainly obvious what Bruce was "apologizing" for, and everyone and their brother from Kamchatka to Oslo knows that people in Boston don't like New York things. It's a fucking cliche. This is like King explaining the entire premise behind "My Cousin Vinny" thusly: "See, people from the south don't really like people from the north. They call them 'Yankees'. In fact, they fought a war over it once."

So, why did he include it? I submit he did it because he wanted to rub the superbowl loss in the face of New England somehow, and this was the opportunity he was waiting for.
 

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10. I think these are my non-football thoughts of the week:
a. I plead guilty to being an old man smitten with Bruce Springsteen. Guilty as charged -- plenty.

Oh Jesus Christ. What kind of lame ass is King that he's just NOW discovering Bruce Springsteen? I mean, King is smack-dab in the demographic range that makes up probably 70% of Springsteen's fans. This would be like my father, who's 67, turning to me one day and saying "You know, I just discovered this band called The Rolling Stones. That Mick Jagger can really own a stage."

EDIT: I now realize that he saw Springsteen in 1976 (or claims to, anyway), so he didn't really just discover him. So I retract that (although, I have a feeling that he wasn't ever really a *fan* except when it became convenient to say so, like today).


b. I saw Bruce Tuesday night at Fenway Park on a busman's holiday from visiting camps. Such a different show, and not just because it's the first time I'd heard him do stuff from Wrecking Ball. But he did Rosalita (hadn't heard that in a while live) and killed it with Twist and Shout at the end. Two great touches: the tributes to the late Johnny Pesky, the Red Sox legend who died last week (they shine a solitary light on the Pesky Pole, the right field foul pole), and to Clarence Clemons. The first time I saw Springsteen, on April Fools Day 1976 in Memorial Auditorium in Athens, Ohio, I stood four rows from Clemons and his sax. Now Clarence's nephew, Jake, is the sax man. And he's incredibly and emotionally capable. Really fun 3.5-hour night.
Something tells me that King either a) hasn't been to many Springsteen shows, or b) doesn't pay attention while he's there.

I say this because, if he was any kind of fan at all, he'd have caught at least one show in the past 10 years where Bruce has played "Rosalita."

In 2003, "Rosy" was played at ALL TEN Giants Stadium shows and all 3 Shea Stadium shows. And all but the Shea shows were during the summer, King's off-period. So if he had desired, he could have attended any number of shows that summer and seen Rosalita.

In 2005, it was played twice at the Meadowlands, and twice in Newark.

In 2006, Rosy was played once at MSG, and three times at the PNC Bank Center in NJ.

In 2007, it was played twice at MSG, and three times at the Meadowlands, NJ.

In 2008, Rosy was played at all three Giants Stadium shows.

In 2009, Rosy was played at MSG 4 times, and at Giants Stadium 5 times.

In 2011, it was played at the only MSG stop of the tour that year.

In 2012 (TBC!), it's been played twice at MSG and twice at the Meadowlands.

It has also been played probably twenty times between Boston and Philly shows, which King could have attended if he had wanted to.

Meaning: King is full of shit when he says "Oh, Haven't heard that in awhile!" like he's some sort of hard core fan.

c. And at Gillette Stadium Saturday night, my buddy and Springsteenaholic Brian Hyland, who saw Bruce Tuesday and Saturday (he's been to about 200 Bruce shows), reported from the parking lot at Foxboro: "Tonight was the greatest ever."
And I'm sure that was a completely sober, well-thought out, opinion. No offense to the Gillette crowd, because I heard it was a great show, but come on. Best ever? Better than the 1978 tour? Better than The Bottom Line shows prior to Born To Run's release?

King is such a dope if he honestly believes that the Gillette show was "the greatest [one] ever".
 

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Peter King: sports writer, travel memoir-ist, barista, food critic, brewmaster, supreme court critic, constitutional law scholar, humorist, long-distance runner....(drum roll)....LABOR RELATIONS MEDIATOR!

Oh, but what about that manhole sized bargaining chip, King?
Wait, the part time nfl referees are demanding a pension better than the one that full time employees get? On top of the great pay they get for that actual time they spend working? No wonder the nfl is balking at this...

And with PK lobbying for the referee's union every week it's starting to get embarrassing. His particular criticism this week was so hypocritical. I know several times in the past he's advocated referee's take the time to meet and get the call right. And now when the subs do it he criticizes them. He's coming across as a shill for the referee's union at this point.
 

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EDIT: I think King is full of shit about that 1976 show he claims to have seen. For one, it strikes me as odd that someone who doesn't seem to go to many shows, or have knowledge that "Rosalita" is now a common song to hear, would remember the exact date of a show he saw 35 years ago. I'm guessing he remembers Springsteen playing at the University of Ohio, but he didn't actually go. So he looked up the date online and tossed it in there in an off-hand way "Oh, you know, the April Fool's show back in, um, Athens, OH."

Why wouldn't he just say "In 1976 at my alma mater, Ohio"?

But that's fine, whatever. But what's strangest to me is that this is the description of the show on thekillingfloor.com, which is the most thorough database of Springsteen setlists on the web:


Held in the school’s Memorial Auditorium. There was non-reserved seating for this show, which caused mayhem leading up to the venue opening its doors. The partial setlist above is from the confident recollection of BRUCEBASE reader Daniel, who further comments: "The concert was scheduled for around 7pm….folks started lining up outside at about 4:30pm. By 7pm I'd estimate there were over a thousand people outside and the doors were still shut. At about 7:10 there was commotion up front and I remember seeing one of the doors get literally torn from the hinges - and these were big, heavy wood doors! The next minutes were a blur, seeing one girl getting pushed into the glass marque-poster cases, seeing another girl who fainted getting passed overhead…the mad rush to get a good seat”. BRUCEBASE reader Bob, who also attended, comments: “Suddenly the doors opened and we were pushed in so I raced to the front and got two seats. I remember the show was a little too loud in the front row, but it was amazing. The night before the show Springsteen went to my favourite bar (Swanky's) and hung out. I didn't go that night. I saw his picture in the paper the next morning standing where I usually went to drink”.
Now, King says that he was "four rows" from Clarence. Which would mean he got a spot approximately eight feet from the stage, and about 12 feet from Springsteen himself. At a show where there was nearly a RIOT. A show where people lined up three hours in advance to get a good location, and there was a mad rush for non-reserved seats.

And King says nary a word about the experience leading up to the show or how he got such a good location.


If he was at that concert, I'll eat my fucking hat.

EDIT: and for a guy who saw Springsteen in 1976, in that kind of environment, to not challenge his friend on any 2012 (or any 1984-present) show being "the greatest" is simply unbelievable. He doesn't even make the comparison! King is a braggart of the first degree; if he was at that show in 1976, he'd still be fucking writing about it and telling us how awesome it was.

He is a LIAR. He was NOT at that show.
 

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Wait, the part time nfl referees are demanding a pension better than the one that full time employees get? On top of the great pay they get for that actual time they spend working? No wonder the nfl is balking at this...
I haven't followed the situation, but isn't the NFL asking the officials to become full time employees? Forcing many (some?) of them to give up other lucrative jobs?
 

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Wait, the part time nfl referees are demanding a pension better than the one that full time employees get? On top of the great pay they get for that actual time they spend working? No wonder the nfl is balking at this...
Full time NFL employees, most of whom could reasonably be considered management or management-track, are non-unionized and had no say when the league decided to convert their retirement plan to defined-contribution.

What the referees are actually demanding is a continuation of the defined-benefit pension plan they've always had.

The fact that many companies are transitioning from defined-benefit to defined-contribution doesn't mean that a labor union with significant leverage should simply accept this without a fight. While King has supported the officials in some respects the way he paints the pension issue is nothing but regurgitation of Park Avenue spin.
 

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As bad as King's MEQB can be, his actual SI writing isn't much better.
In his scouting report for the Miami Dolphins in the current issue, he was hugely impressed with David Garrard and thought he'd be the clear #1 QB. Good thing he put up with all the hassle of annoying travel oddities and mediocre coffee to really nail the Dolphins QB situation.
 

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Not much to add, you have said it all. I just wanted to say again that I'm admiring your work in this thread. Very entertaining. Not quite Fire Joe Morgan territory yet, but close.
Oh I don't really aspire to anything. The FJM guys were (at least in one case) professional comedy writers. I could never be as funny as them, and I'm really not trying to be.

I just like to complain, and maybe point out some bullshit.
 

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He is a LIAR. He was NOT at that show.
As I mentioned earlier, I wasn't going to include any commentary about King other than the observation about my expectation upon seeing the photo.

Then I read the two notes about Springsteen and was so astounded at how perfectly they represented the "Tao of King" that I had to include the teaser comment just to make sure you were on the case.

You have not disappointed.
 

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I'm serious. I think that's a bald-faced lie.

It would be like someone saying:

"Oh, yea, I'm a big fan of the Beatles. Caught a McCartney show last week. Played "Hey Jude." Haven't heard that in awhile. I've been going to see him since he played the Cavern Club in the early '60s. My buddy saw him another night and said he'd never seen a better McCartney show."

Or (probably a better comparison):

"So, I freely admit, I'm a huge U2 fan. Saw them at Gillette the other day. Wow. They played "Sunday Bloody Sunday", hadn't heard that one in awhile. First time I saw them was in a 100-person club on the Boy tour, in 1981. My buddy thinks the Gillette show was the best one he's seen."

It's just not fucking possible to throw that little chestnut in there without developing it unless you:

A) have a much bigger taste for subtlety than King does;
B) have a much smaller ego than King, and can resist the temptation to brag about seeing what was, honestly, probably one of the 10 most highly acclaimed rock tours in history (the fucking Born to Run Tour? There are esteemed rock critics who swear that that tour produced some of the best rock concerts ever performed.) especially if you consider that he's claiming he's a big fan; OR
C) Didn't actually go, and don't want to develop the story too much to make it easy for someone to spot some incriminating bullshit. Frankly, even his line "I stood 4 feet from Clarence!" is a little dubious given that the show had seating (which led, in part, to the mad rush described above). And even if you literally stand for a concert, you don't say "Oh, man, I had a great standing location!" You say "I had great seats! I sat four rows from Clarence!" King, however, seems to indicate that it was a general-admission, unseated, affair, which is not accurate.

It's bullshit.
 

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From what I can gather, King would have almost certainly been a freshman at the time of that show, no? He wouldn't turn 19 until June 10, 1976. Pretty bold young whippersnapper to brave the bum's rush and wind up only four rows from the stage...
 

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Ah, so when you say you were going to try to avoid all Packer connections, you actually mean you...sought them out for comedic effect! I know this because I've been to Green Bay, and like 95% of the streets are not, in fact, related to the Packers. There are actual people who live there, and have real jobs (they don't just tailgate all year), and if I were them, I'd be pretty tired of vaguely-pejorative bullshit like this.
if you look at a map; it's not like he traveled that far: https://maps.google.com/maps?q=Tony+Canadeo+Run&safe=active&ie=UTF-8&ei=cHoyUJW0L-f66QGczoHADA&ved=0CFIQ_AUoAg The way he phrases it sounds like there are Packer themed streets all around downtown Green Bay. In reality, he only went right, right, turn around, left, turnaround, right. He should have hit Bart Starr Road or Reggie White Way while he was at it as he mentioned, considering they were just a block away.

That's a story.
 

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EDIT: I think King is full of shit about that 1976 show he claims to have seen. For one, it strikes me as odd that someone who doesn't seem to go to many shows, or have knowledge that "Rosalita" is now a common song to hear, would remember the exact date of a show he saw 35 years ago. I'm guessing he remembers Springsteen playing at the University of Ohio, but he didn't actually go. So he looked up the date online and tossed it in there in an off-hand way "Oh, you know, the April Fool's show back in, um, Athens, OH."

Why wouldn't he just say "In 1976 at my alma mater, Ohio"?

But that's fine, whatever. But what's strangest to me is that this is the description of the show on thekillingfloor.com, which is the most thorough database of Springsteen setlists on the web:




Now, King says that he was "four rows" from Clarence. Which would mean he got a spot approximately eight feet from the stage, and about 12 feet from Springsteen himself. At a show where there was nearly a RIOT. A show where people lined up three hours in advance to get a good location, and there was a mad rush for non-reserved seats.

And King says nary a word about the experience leading up to the show or how he got such a good location.


If he was at that concert, I'll eat my fucking hat.

EDIT: and for a guy who saw Springsteen in 1976, in that kind of environment, to not challenge his friend on any 2012 (or any 1984-present) show being "the greatest" is simply unbelievable. He doesn't even make the comparison! King is a braggart of the first degree; if he was at that show in 1976, he'd still be fucking writing about it and telling us how awesome it was.

He is a LIAR. He was NOT at that show.
I have no real interest in defending King, but back before I stopped reading his stuff I remember his description of that 1976 show in terms fully consistent with your linked description.

Here
 

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From what I can gather, King would have almost certainly been a freshman at the time of that show, no? He wouldn't turn 19 until June 10, 1976. Pretty bold young whippersnapper to brave the bum's rush and wind up only four rows from the stage...
He is fat and self centered (if that adds to the plausibility).
 

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I have no real interest in defending King, but back before I stopped reading his stuff I remember his description of that 1976 show in terms fully consistent with your linked description.

Here
God, I love the Internet. Where all the answers will eventually be revealed. Dr. Leather laid low! (Although it does resemble that description almost too much...)
 

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EDIT:

I know I'll sound like a crackpot, but I think he might still be full of shit.

One: his description does sound awfully similar to the one I posted. It's a little uncanny.

Two: In today's column, he says he was in the 4th row. In the previous one, he says 3rd row.

Three: The big one, to me, is that he says:

I'm guessing it was about six songs in when the bad played "Jungleland,''
Now, the setlist given for that date on thekillingfloor.com has this:

1. Thunder Road
2. She's the One
3. Born to Run
4. Backstreets
5. Jungleland.
6. Rosalita
7. Detroit Melody.

So, that would appear to back him up.

However, the person who submitted that admits it's a "partial setlist", meaning, those are just songs he happened to remember hearing that night. But here's the big thing:

At every show that tour for which a full setlist exists (which is the majority of the shows), "Jungleland" is played at the end of the regular set, right before "Rosalita": it's ALWAYS the 11th, 12th or 13th song played, and ALWAYS the second-to-last song before the end of the main set.

At NO SHOW on that tour (EDIT: or for the next four years, at least) did he play "Jungleland", the song King swears to remember best, anywhere close in the set to where King says he played it.

I submit that he googled that show, found the website, and made it up. I mean, why would he specify the number of songs that went by before Jungleland was played, and then clearly have it wrong, unless he's copping the info from somewhere else? Like, say, a website that also has a description of the show that (omigosh) is exactly like King's recollections!?

He's lying.
 

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I am sure he was at the Springsteen show in 1976. He has always been way ahead of the curve on culture, just look at how he was into microbrews and $8 lattes way before everyone else.

He needs to stick to the football. I dont give a shit about cute team nicknames, beer, coffee, his mancrush on Springsteen, or anyone elses tweets, quotes, facebook postings, or instagram photos. I just dont care. He gets the resources and access that other writers can only dream about, from two major media players, and does nothing with them beyond the plainly superficial. Such a waste. No follow up, no digging deeper, no looking to make a story better. I'm no defender of his (even on football stuff, after his absurd position on Darren Sproles), but every now and then he comes up with something interesting/new. He has a couple of items this week, but as ususal, does nothing with them.

Interesting Fact #1-The Rams have hired someone to manage Janoris Jenkins' child support obligations. He thinks it is a good thing, to the point of saying "I dont know how a team could get a player to concentrate on football better by managing a difficult situation... ." I agree. But how about calling all of those GMs and front office guys that you always brag about knowing, and seeing if other teams do this. And if not, why not? Teams invest tens of millions of dollars into high draft picks year after year-isnt it worth it to pay someone 100k a year to make sure their child support is taken care of, medical insurance for the kids paid, etc.

Interesting Fact #2-The KC Chiefs penalty situation. Some good commentary about how bad they were with penalties last year, but it took me all of sixty seconds to determine that on a penalties-per-game basis, Cleveland was among the most penalized teams in the league Romeo's last two years there, after being among the least penalized teams during his first two years. So what is he going to do differently? Did he get away from attention to detail in practice during the last two years in Cleveland?

Interesting Fact #3-Tom House (who caught Hank Aaron's 715th career home run) runs a throwing camp for NFL quarterbacks. I had no idea, and hadnt heard that Brady went to this. But there is so much more there-he says Brady and Smith (who will play each other this year) were both there, as were Cassel and Palmer, who will play each other twice. How does this work? How does BB (given his penchant for secrecy) feel about Brady going to something like this where other teams' players are present? How does House handle having quarterbacks who compete against each other there at the same time?

He is dropping these things just to show that he knows them, without any real analysis or follow up, and that is just wasteful.
 

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EDIT:

I know I'll sound like a crackpot, but I think he might still be full of shit.

One: his description does sound awfully similar to the one I posted. It's a little uncanny.

Two: In today's column, he says he was in the 4th row. In the previous one, he says 3rd row.

Three: The big one, to me, is that he says:



Now, the setlist given for that date on thekillingfloor.com has this:

1. Thunder Road
2. She's the One
3. Born to Run
4. Backstreets
5. Jungleland.
6. Rosalita
7. Detroit Melody.

So, that would appear to back him up.

However, the person who submitted that admits it's a "partial setlist", meaning, those are just songs he happened to remember hearing that night. But here's the big thing:

At every show that tour for which a full setlist exists (which is the majority of the shows), "Jungleland" is played at the end of the regular set, right before "Rosalita": it's ALWAYS the 11th, 12th or 13th song played, and ALWAYS the second-to-last song before the end of the main set.

At NO SHOW on that tour (EDIT: or for the next four years, at least) did he play "Jungleland", the song King swears to remember best, anywhere close in the set to where King says he played it.

I submit that he googled that show, found the website, and made it up. I mean, why would he specify the number of songs that went by before Jungleland was played, and then clearly have it wrong, unless he's copping the info from somewhere else? Like, say, a website that also has a description of the show that (omigosh) is exactly like King's recollections!?

He's lying.
You're right. You do sound like a crackpot. But it is still entertaining.

Edit: I think it is more likely that he has a poor recollection of the event because he doesn't really care all that much about Springsteen but wants to be the cool guy and show how he has been there since the beginning and shit like that. That would fit King more than outright lying.
 

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Interesting Fact #1-The Rams have hired someone to manage Janoris Jenkins' child support obligations. He thinks it is a good thing, to the point of saying "I dont know how a team could get a player to concentrate on football better by managing a difficult situation... ." I agree. But how about calling all of those GMs and front office guys that you always brag about knowing, and seeing if other teams do this. And if not, why not? Teams invest tens of millions of dollars into high draft picks year after year-isnt it worth it to pay someone 100k a year to make sure their child support is taken care of, medical insurance for the kids paid, etc.
Depending on who's paying the bills you'd think that this could be a cap violation--getting an accountant/personal assistant is compensation to the player, plain and simple.
 

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You're right. You do sound like a crackpot. But it is still entertaining.

Edit: I think it is more likely that he has a poor recollection of the event because he doesn't really care all that much about Springsteen but wants to be the cool guy and show how he has been there since the beginning and shit like that. That would fit King more than outright lying.
This is a tough one. If King went to Ohio U, there is a chance he happened upon that concert just by being close to the venue. College kids do random stuff. But he's also full of shit and wants to sound cool and maybe he realized his proximity in 1976 gave him a chance to make something up. Where is a Springsteen Zapruder film when you need it?
 

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He says he waited outside the venue from about 3:00 PM on. For a 7:30 show.

I could be wrong (and in fact, probably am), but PK just does not strike me as the kind of guy to do that.

That being said, he would have been a much different person back then, and perhaps was not yet a total asshole.
 

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Poor Peter throwing a little tantrum on Twitter.

Peter King ‏@SI_PeterKing

Appreciate you never calling me for comment, Deadspin. Real professional:


On this story about his overuse of the Evoshield thing on Deadspin

http://deadspin.com/5935095?utm_campaign=socialflow_deadspin_twitter&utm_source=deadspin_twitter&utm_medium=socialflow


But you know. Really unprofessional. Much in the same way he gave Sean Pamphilon an outlet for comment when pronouncing judgment on it not being right for him for releasing the Saints documentary.
 

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What would he possibly have said had they reached out to him for comment?

Besides, you know, "EVOSHIELD!!!"
 

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Hey hey, Peter King is a perfect model of professionalism.

I'm curious though. Other than him being the victim, how is this any different than him throwing that poor hotel clerk under the bus in his column? Surely he didn't call her to get her comment. But he felt like she failed in her job, so he trashed her in a prominent column on a high traffic national web site.
 

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King calling Deadspin unprofessional is like Carlson trying to take Stewart to task for not taking politics seriously. I'm not sure he gets exactly what that site stands for.

I can't wait to see the tantrum he throws over the lack of 360-degree reporting from The Onion.
 

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This is the way my Sunday morning in Green Bay started: with a run. A five-miler. I wanted to see if I could run it all on streets with Packer connotations, and I found it was much easier than I thought. I started from my hotel on Tony Canadeo Run, running west, curling around Brett Favre Steakhouse, went left on Brett Favre Pass, right on Holmgren Way a short jog up to Lombardi Avenue, turned around, ran two miles or so south down Holmgren Way, then came back up Holmgren Way, took a right onto Brett Favre Pass, curled around Brett Favre Steakhouse on Tony Canadeo Run, and back to the hotel.
Ah, so when you say you were going to try to avoid all Packer connections, you actually mean you...sought them out for comedic effect!

I didn't read the article, so maybe I'm missing something, but isn't what I bolded above from King saying he was trying to find all the Packer connotations, not avoid them?
 

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if you look at a map; it's not like he traveled that far: https://maps.google....ved=0CFIQ_AUoAg The way he phrases it sounds like there are Packer themed streets all around downtown Green Bay. In reality, he only went right, right, turn around, left, turnaround, right. He should have hit Bart Starr Road or Reggie White Way while he was at it as he mentioned, considering they were just a block away.

That's a story.
Yeah. The route he described isn't even 5 miles either according to MapQuest. It's 4.38. The Cambria Suites is the only hotel I see on Tony Canadeo Run. From there it'd be 0.33 miles to Lombardi Avenue, then his "two miles or so" down Holmgren Way, then backtracking 1.86 miles up to Brett Favre Pass, and 0.19 miles to return to the hotel.

Even if he ran the super fun bonus he saved for a future trip - to Bart Starr Drive and back to the hotel - that'd only add another 0.38 miles for a total of 4.76.

This is the way my Sunday morning in Green Bay started: with a run. A five-miler.
He words this as if his mileage is a Herculean accomplishment and he's a remarkable person for running on a Sunday morning.

"This is the way my Sunday morning in the White Mountain National Forest started: with a climb. A place called Mount Washington. I wanted to see if I could drive up the Mount Washington Auto Road..."

For a runner who cares enough to phrase it like this, 4.38 isn't 5 fucking miles. With him, it's also likely that he ran even less. His wording of "two miles or so" assuredly would've been "well beyond two miles" had he actually gone that far.

I started from my hotel on Tony Canadeo Run, running west, curling around Brett Favre Steakhouse, went left on Brett Favre Pass, right on Holmgren Way a short jog up to Lombardi Avenue, turned around, ran two miles or so south down Holmgren Way, then came back up Holmgren Way, took a right onto Brett Favre Pass, curled around Brett Favre Steakhouse on Tony Canadeo Run, and back to the hotel.
Or, Peter, you could've just said "... ran two miles or so south down Holmgren Way and then backtracked to the hotel" instead of naming the same streets a second time in the same shit-eating sentence. Ah, but then you'd miss the opportunity to pen another one of your redundant, interminable sentences that looks like diarrhea with words. You're also likely worried your readers won't grasp how wondrous it is that a handful of streets near Lambeau Field are named after Packer legends without you mentioning them at least twice.

Oh, and he wrote "curled around Brett Favre" twice.
 

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Ah, so when you say you were going to try to avoid all Packer connections, you actually mean you...sought them out for comedic effect!

I didn't read the article, so maybe I'm missing something, but isn't what I bolded above from King saying he was trying to find all the Packer connotations, not avoid them?
Yea, you're right. I misread it.