Why Do I Continue to Read Peter King?

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BIG MONEY QUESTION. Your article on Peyton Manning’s return to Indy got me wondering: is winning the Super Bowl (statistically) a young man’s game? Tom Brady and Ben Roethlisberger got their rings early, but it seems like early success leads to big salaries, then worse surrounding casts, then at best deep playoff runs but no more championships. Does the data agree? Does a big QB payday make it harder for a team to win the big one?
—Adam
 
Good question, one to bookmark for a deeper dive down the road. But one thing to mention: Early success, either by winning a Super Bowl or by putting up great numbers, leads to huge salaries. Matt Ryan has won a bunch of games and accumulated very good stats, but hasn’t won a Super Bowl. Now he is being paid with the highest-paid players in the game. So, I don’t think that making huge money exclusively means that you have to win the Super Bowl. 
 
 
 

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That would require doing actual work?
 
Give him a break--he was spent after completing a mixed metaphor triple lindy (bookmarking something for a deep drive down the road?).
 

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Exactly.  How does he get away with that?  "Cool question bro, someone should totally answer it some day."
 
I've said it before but his decision to select questions that he can't answer is what shows particular antipathy for the reader.  If he doesn't have the time to properly answer a mailbag question then he could just as well print a question he can answer intelligently.
 
Plus it's not a hard question to bullshit an answer to.  I'd go with "you've still got to have great QB play to win a superbowl but if you can get great QB play during the playoffs at a bargain--like SF and Seattle are getting this year, like Baltimore did in the playoffs last year, and like GB did with Rogers in 2011--then your margin for error is that much greater."
 

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JohntheBaptist said:
Holy shit that is some answer.  Wow.
 
Plus:
 
 
Uh... why? 
 
So he could mix three metaphors in one phrase and still not manage to say anything of substance.
 
It's like having the bases loaded with no time outs left and still not managing to score on the power play.
 

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Peter King uses a Surface tablet. I think that says all we need to know about him.
 

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Has anyone ever been so prolifically mediocre as Peter King?
 
"Prolifically mediocre"  is awesome. 
 
The judges might also consider, "he possesses limitless limitations."
 

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I've said it before but his decision to select questions that he can't answer is what shows particular antipathy for the reader.  If he doesn't have the time to properly answer a mailbag question then he could just as well print a question he can answer intelligently.
 
Aren't there enough references to what beer he likes, what it's like to live in Manhattan, and what happened at the last Starbucks he visited? 
 

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The MMQB’s Robert Klemko had to fly from Chicago to Detroit Sunday morning to cover Lions-Cowboys, and he reported this to me when he landed:
 
“I get on this plane from Chicago to Detroit, and these Japanese people, five of them, boarded the plane all carrying different stuffed animals. A teddy bear in an Army uniform, another teddy bear in a pilot uniform. I’d say they were in their late 20s, early 30s. One of them was a guy, and his bear was dressed in an American desert camo uniform.
 
“They were clutching these animals as if they were children. So I am sitting amidst them. The flight is taking off, and they’re not panicked or anything—but they’re whispering things in Japanese to the bears as if they were children. Then they just held them for the rest of the flight.
 
“I mean, they were holding them like they were breathing, like they were babies. Maybe they want kids and they are practicing for it. I don’t know. But there is something strange going on there.”
 
 

So, King, rather than even bothering to Google the terms "japanese travelers stuffed animals," just leaves it at that.  "Strange."
 
Had he bothered to do the two seconds of research, he'd have found that these were likely employees of the Unagi Travel Agency, which is a "travel agency for stuffed animals, sending favorite toys on adventurous trips when an owner is too ill or unable to do so himself.  While the stuffed friend is away, the owners can follow their travels by looking for updates on the Unagi Travel Facebook page."  
 
A bit offbeat, sure, but I actually think their mission is pretty neat.  Instead, King just labels these people weirdos.
 

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j. Quote of the Series, from Jonny Gomes to Marc Topkin of the Tampa Bay Times, concerning the fact that he was only in the lineup Sunday night because Shane Victorino’s back tightened up and forced him to the bench, giving Gomes the chance to hit the game-winning three-run home run: “I had to ‘Tonya Harding’ Victorino.”
 
k. Google or Bing “Tonya Harding” if that one slips past you.
 
 
COME ON.
 

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d. Thanks, Florence and the Machine, for “Shake It Out.” That’s my song of the week.
 
- My hip new song of the week for you young folk, released in September 2011.  Only 2 years old!
 

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Corsi said:
 

 

So, King, rather than even bothering to Google the terms "japanese travelers stuffed animals," just leaves it at that.  "Strange."
 
Had he bothered to do the two seconds of research, he'd have found that these were likely employees of the Unagi Travel Agency, which is a "travel agency for stuffed animals, sending favorite toys on adventurous trips when an owner is too ill or unable to do so himself.  While the stuffed friend is away, the owners can follow their travels by looking for updates on the Unagi Travel Facebook page."  
 
A bit offbeat, sure, but I actually think their mission is pretty neat.  Instead, King just labels these people weirdos.
 
 
That is a wonderful mission. King should be destroyed for that level of insulting ignorance.  Woe be to the Make-A Wish kid that makes hm wait in line at Starbucks.  "I'll just never understand why so many adults need to horn in on a kid's enjoyment.  Maybe it was because it's Halloween, but all the adults were dressed as nurses and doctors. Weird."
 

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I wish that someone would Jeff Gulluli (spell?) Peter King.
 
Honest to God, I DO NOT WANT to see someone jizz all over Peter King and then sell the video to an Internet porn service.
 
Or did you mean something else?
 

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b. Memo to Darren Rovell (said with slight annoyance): The Riddell helmet/NFL divorce you wrote about, a story that was written by Jenny Vrentas of The MMQB on TheMMQB.com last Tuesday, was not written on SI.com, as you reported. It’s The MMQB.
 
c. Nothing against SI.com; I love SI.com. This column runs on SI.com at well as The MMQB. But the story was not written on SI.com.
 
 
darren rovell ‏@darrenrovell47m
@SI_PeterKing My original copy had MMQB, however editors made it SI. No slight meant. Try calling or emailing before putting me on blast
https://twitter.com/darrenrovell/status/394881586858299392
 
I mean, the freaking URL is mmqb.si.com. King is so god damn arrogant.
 
"Nothing against SI"???? THEY SIGN YOUR PAYCHECKS!
 

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Not to mention fundamentally wrong. Actual site is mmqb.si.com. No matter what he might tell himself, it's still just content on SI.com.
 

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The MMQB’s Robert Klemko had to fly from Chicago to Detroit Sunday morning to cover Lions-Cowboys, and he reported this to me when he landed:
 
“I get on this plane from Chicago to Detroit, and these Japanese people,..."
 
If the guy says in his quote that he was traveling from Chicago to Detroit, you don't need to tell us in the lead-up to the quote that the guy was traveling from Chicago to Detroit.  Makes me suspect that King didn't get an actual quote but is paraphrasing the story.  I mean, Christ, does anyone else besides Peter King need to include both where they are traveling from and where they are traveling to.  That level of detail sure as shit doesn't add anything to the story. 

Also, you have to wonder how Robert Klemko feels about this quote in light of how poorly it reflects on him. 

I can only imagine how much I would hate Peter King if I worked for MMQB. 
 

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joe dokes said:
 
That is a wonderful mission. King should be destroyed for that level of insulting ignorance.  Woe be to the Make-A Wish kid that makes hm wait in line at Starbucks.  "I'll just never understand why so many adults need to horn in on a kid's enjoyment.  Maybe it was because it's Halloween, but all the adults were dressed as nurses and doctors. Weird."
 
Yeah, as with ShelterDog above, there are times when I find him not just engaging in even high level douchery but in honest to God moral failings.
 
People who know better than I can fill in any blanks or make corrections, but travel is a huge deal in Japanese culture as a luxury good due to the lack of space. You can't have big houses or lawns and stuff, but you can go places. This is related to the stereotype of the Japanese tourists with their cameras, and how there are "hot spot" locations that they will flock to. I'm not a huge fan of conspicuous consumption, but I get the desire to indulge and if I had my way, everyone would get a chance to do so now and again.
 
In this context, the travelling doll program is rankly beautiful. King doesn't have the slightest idea of what he is dissing, or the fundamental cultural insensitivity of it and, as Corsi and Joe Dokes point out, because he can't be bothered to take even a cursory look into the phenomenon. I didn't know about the doll program either, but I also didn't blog about it on a national stage while calling myself a journalist.
 
I'm not prepared to say that's a suspendable offense, but I am willing to bet that low level employees of SI have been fired for less.
 

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I'm not prepared to say that's a suspendable offense, but I am willing to bet that low level employees of SI have been fired for less.
 
But King doesn't work for SI.  He works for The MMQB. They're not the same!
 

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Yeah, as with ShelterDog above, there are times when I find him not just engaging in even high level douchery but in honest to God moral failings.
 
 
I'm not quite sure I ever accused him of moral failings--I mostly think he's a stupid asshole--but lets not quibble.
 

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“I’m not surprised. In fact, I’m a little surprised something like this hasn’t happened before. If you’re mentally weak, you’re going to get picked on.”
—Former NFL offensive lineman Ross Tucker, on the Jonathan Martin saga.
 
 
Peter King: standing up for bullies since that day his high school football team let him hand out water on the sideline.
 

Foles: "I am so proud of Riley Cooper. So happy for him. After what he's been through, and how hard he's worked, this is great."
— Peter King (@SI_PeterKing) November 4, 2013
 
 
 
Re your responses to Foles/Cooper, it obviously would have been better if Phil fired Cooper and he was left to be stoned on side of road.
— Peter King (@SI_PeterKing) November 4, 2013
 
 

 

RT @percipian: Have we, as a society, completely forgotten about forgiveness and redemption?
— Peter King (@SI_PeterKing) November 4, 2013
RT @Laura722: Sad that Cooper has been nothing but apologetic about the whole thing, yet people want continue to kick him.
— Peter King (@SI_PeterKing) November 4, 2013
 

 
Peter King: standing up for racist football players, because, gosh, if he doesn't, who will?!
 

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Factoid of the Week That May Interest Only Me
We know, via Jay Glazer, that Dolphin tackle Jonathan Martin, in response to a table full of teammates leaving when he went to sit down last Monday, threw his tray down in the Miami cafeteria and left the building in anger. Now you’ll know the rest of the story: The meal he threw down was spaghetti.
 
 
I am legitimately not sure what King's take is here.  I get the feeling that he's taking the side of Incognito, albeit in an oblique way.  If I had to guess, King's thoughts on the matter could be summed up thusly:
 
"So, let me get this straight, a professional football player gets a little razzed, a little teased, a little "hazed" (if you want to call it that), and instead of taking his licks and earning his spot like every other player, he goes to the press and makes a big stink.  You know, I remember when football players were football players, men were men, and this sort of thing would never happen.  This is ridiculous."
 
On a deeper level, I am certain that Peter King subconsciously sides with Martin, and with socially-santioned bullying, because I am confident that he is a weak man who thinks that, by approving of such behavior, he is more of a "real man" or whatever.  You know the type; tough-guy-by-association.  
 
But even putting all that aside:  King doesn't take a stance on this.  In a previous section, here's what he says:
 
When something like the Jonathan Martin story happens—a perfectly normal football player cracks under some pressure, walks out on his team, then has his representatives forward charges of what they claim document harassment—the first instinct is to blame someone. But I don’t think there’s a single person or entity at fault.
 
 
Basically, King says, "Shit happens."  He then focuses exclusively on the "Pay for my trip to Vegas" angle, as if this whole thing boils down to money.   It doesn't.  Incognito is a fucking asshole.  Why is this so hard for King to say? 
 
 
The matter is now in the investigative hands of the league and the team. It’s hard to imagine Martin coming back to play in Miami; the tension in the locker room will be palpable, because some Dolphins will see Martin as a rat for going outside the family to air his grievances. That seems grossly unfair, obviously, if the harassment he is alleging is true. But it’s a way of life in the NFL.
 
 
Ah, so...that's ok?  Because it's a way of life in the NFL? 
 
"That SEEMS unfair...But it's the NFL!" 
 
Is it, or is it not, unfair? 
 
I guess what I'm saying is:  for a guy who has strong opinions from everything from coffee to beer to airlines to hotel pillows to Amtrak quiet cars, King seems awfully meek on this issue that seems pretty cut and dried to me: Incognito was an asshole.  There.
 
For a guy who has no problem letting Riley Cooper off the hook, nay no problem giving Riley Cooper credit, for being a racist asshole, King sure is slow to come out in Martin's defense.
 
He's a fucking phony.
 

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So last Monday I detoured on my way to do some reporting on Kansas City’s fast start this season and went to Game 5 of the World Series, driving an hour west of St. Louis after the game so the morning trip wouldn’t be so onerous. Stopped in Warrenton, Mo., at a Holiday Inn Express, and checked in for six hours of rest. As I got my key, a family of four—a dad, from the looks of it, and his three sons, from the looks of it, about ages 7 to 16—entered the lobby about 90 minutes after Boston’s 3-1 win over the Cards. The four guys looked crushed. All were dressed in Cardinals stuff. The youngest boy had a No. 6 Stan Musial jersey, and he looked like he’d just lost his dog. All of them, really, looked injured.
“Tough one,’’ the desk clerk said.
“Very, very tough,’’ the dad said.
I’ve always thought this, from numerous trips through the Midwest: What great fans the Cardinals have. I really felt for these guys.
 
 
I don't even...
 

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a. A few notes about the Red Sox winning the World Series—those who are so inclined and who hate when I riff about baseball can skip the next 10 items. As mentioned before, I went to Game 5 Monday night in St. Louis, the night before I had to be in Kansas City to spend time with the Chiefs for a Sports Illustrated story I hope you read this coming week. Boston won 3-1, and I walked out of Busch Stadium thinking: This is the first time in my life the Red Sox are good because of pitching.
 
 
Excuse me? 
 
Fucking...Excuse me?
 
The Red Sox won the World Series in 2004 behind two guys named Pedro and Schilling, and another guy named Foulke.  In 2007, Josh Beckett was unstoppable. 
 
I just...Holy fucking SHIT.
 
b. And David Ortiz, of course. World Series plate appearances: 25. Times reached base: 19. I keep reading there is no way to measure how clutch a player is, but after his second line-drive hit of the game Monday night made him 14-for-18 in the series, the guy in front of me said, “Matheny! I beg you! Just walk him!” Mike Matheny did—four times in Game 6, three intentionally.
 
 
And it was a stupid thing to do, because those walks resulted in runs that lost the Cardinals the World Series.
 
d. When did Jon Lester turn into Whitey Ford?
 
 
Jon Lester has been good in the postseason for several years now, assface. 
 
e. As a franchise billboard and leader, Dustin Pedroia has morphed nicely and completely into the Boston version of Derek Jeter.
 
 
THIS MAN IS NOT A RED SOX FAN!  HE CANNOT BE!  This must be some elaborate hoax.
 

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This is just over-the-top bad:
 
When something like the Jonathan Martin story happens
 
[[literally, nothing like this has happened in the NFL in my memory]]
 
—a perfectly normal football player
 
[[This seems pretty obviously to be a back-handed description]]
 
cracks under some pressure
 
[[this guy is the king of hyperbole, and yet describes something that drove an NFL player to leave a team as "some pressure"]]
 
, walks out on his team
 
[[this is pretty clearly pejorative - walking out on your team is about the worst thing you could do - he could have gone with "escapes to protect his sanity" or "seeks help" or any of a number of other phrases that wouldn't make him the bad guy]],
 
then has his representatives forward charges of what they claim document harassment
 
[[this is just bad writing: "charges of what they claim document"? That's not English]]
 
—the first instinct is to blame someone
 
[[classic projection - actually, your first instinct is to blame someone, Pete, but way to speak for everyone]].
 
But I don’t think there’s a single person or entity at fault
 
[[i.e., no one is at fault? How is that possible? A guy gets bullied and the bully is not at fault? Explain that one.]].
 

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e. As a franchise billboard and leader, Dustin Pedroia has morphed nicely and completely into the Boston version of Derek Jeter.
This either the worst case of trolling ever or the most sports related tone-deaf thought any human being has ever devised.
Either way, this is all anybody ever has to know about Peter King. Drop the mic, Peter, you've done it.
 

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I am legitimately not sure what King's take is here.  I get the feeling that he's taking the side of Incognito, albeit in an oblique way.
 
 
He's making a joke about it and a pretty bad one at that. "It was spaghetti! Ha!" and he's insinuating that Martin is acting like a little baby because (and this may be a reach, but this is PK we're talking about here, so probably not) little kids love spaghetti and little kids love to have temper tantrums and smash food on the tables when they don't get their way or when things go south. Therefore, Martin is a baby.
 
Incognito? If you read King's wishy-washy report it boils down to, "Hey, Incognito's just a guy with a non-PC sense of humor ribbing his teammate. If Martin can't see that, then that's Martin's fault."
 
Last year when some NFL players did some "It Gets Better" videos, King wrote about how great this is for the league, etc (and he was right). I know that there are some major differences between the Martin/Incognito dust up and IGB, but where is King's consistency here? Why should Martin have to put up with this kind of bullshit because Incognito is a knuckle-dragging moron?
 
I’ve always thought this, from numerous trips through the Midwest: What great fans the Cardinals have. I really felt for these guys.
 
 
Or may not. Pitying Peter King is the worst Peter King.
 

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Drew Magary doesn't have the readership that Peter King does and he certainly doesn't have King's contacts, but he wrote circles around him with this piece.
 

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Drew Magary doesn't have the readership that Peter King does and he certainly doesn't have King's contacts, but he wrote circles around him with this piece.
 
Was just about to post that as a counterpoint to King.  Magary provided some actual insight, not just an opinion from 1500 miles away.
 
King has to address Incog's emails that were released this AM.
 

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Was just about to post that as a counterpoint to King.  Magary provided some actual insight, not just an opinion from 1500 miles away.
 
King has to address Incog's emails that were released this AM.
 
King has a habit of ignoring things like that.
 
Magary did what I wanted, I just want some humanity behind the incident. Too many writers love taking up the Shield and parrot the NFL line about how football players are "men" and "warriors" and "soldiers" and essentially forget that while it's really cool to see someone get their ass kicked on a big hit, there's a dude that's getting popped and he is going to have some real consequences on Monday morning. They swept those consequences under the rug for so long and that is why the NFL has a concussion problem. I don't want to equate concussions to bullying, because they're not in the same league, but quit making hackey bullshit jokes about spaghetti and write something with some feeling for once.
 
God, I hate King and his just-scratch-the-surface, cliched bullshit writing.
 

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John Marzano Olympic Hero said:
 
King has a habit of ignoring things like that.
 
Magary did what I wanted, I just want some humanity behind the incident. Too many writers love taking up the Shield and parrot the NFL line about how football players are "men" and "warriors" and "soldiers" and essentially forget that while it's really cool to see someone get their ass kicked on a big hit, there's a dude that's getting popped and he is going to have some real consequences on Monday morning. They swept those consequences under the rug for so long and that is why the NFL has a concussion problem. I don't want to equate concussions to bullying, because they're not in the same league, but quit making hackey bullshit jokes about spaghetti and write something with some feeling for once.
 
God, I hate King and his just-scratch-the-surface, cliched bullshit writing.
 
The bolded part is a great observation. King's writing has no soul. He desperately wants to be perceived as the "feeling" sort, but when the time comes, he usually fails. Just as he tries to put himself out as a devotee of fine beer, coffee and hotels, yet anytime he writes more than a line or two about any of them, his shallowness is revealed.
 

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That's why King's writing is so hollow because whether it's football, beer, coffee, the Red Sox, books, whatever, he writes about his "passions" sloppily surgically. What I mean by this is that he writes without any sort of passion and each view is from 30,000 feet up. He describes why he like Alegash beer the way that a (very dumb) surgeon would describe his latest patient. There's no passion, there aren't any real stories, it's just really boring observations. And he's completely clueless as to how he sounds too.
 
One other thing: there are a million dumb, douchey travelers in this great country of ours, but only Peter King makes me side with each and every one of them. And it's because King has Bill Simmons syndrome where he's never in the wrong and the other guy is always the jerk.
 
Combine the latter with the boring observations and you have Peter "Vanilla" King.
 

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John Marzano Olympic Hero said:
 
Combine the latter with the boring observations and you have Peter "Vanilla" King.
 
"Vanilla-flavored" (does not contain vanilla)
 

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Actually that's not true, I just thought about it some more, I already hate him - I forgot how much he likes boasting about treating minimum-wage employees like shit.
 
Now he's defending bullies just before saying racists are misunderstood.
 
Fuck this fat piece of shit. Seriously, fuck this guy.
 

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@JayMags--I disagree.  I think even in a consequence-free environment, he makes some long-winded, poorly written point created to give the impression the speaker is "a stand up guy" w/r/t Martin but still reiterating clearly, without saying the word, the exact sentiment you refer to.  So I think even without consequences Peter King is a weaselly little fuck.
 
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Actually that's not true, I just thought about it some more, I already hate him - I forgot how much he likes boasting about treating minimum-wage employees like shit.
 
Now he's defending bullies just before saying racists are misunderstood.
 
Fuck this fat piece of shit. Seriously, fuck this guy.
 
Definitely.  For me it was the EvoShield/ NFL's handling-of-the-concussions-issue apologias he throws out.  

He's a sad little shit.
 

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JohntheBaptist said:
@JayMags--I disagree.  I think even in a consequence-free environment, he makes some long-winded, poorly written point created to give the impression the speaker is "a stand up guy" w/r/t Martin but still reiterating clearly, without saying the word, the exact sentiment you refer to.  So I think even without consequences Peter King is a weaselly little fuck.
 
 
 
With King, it seems like its all about "the impression."   His writing seems to be that of a person who writes  what he *thinks* a person with certain feelings [beer and coffe nerd, lover of urban living, hater of bad things, marathon bombing affectee, person offended by something] would feel, rather than someone who actually has those feelings.