Why Do I Continue to Read Peter King?

Ralphwiggum · Feb 3, 2014

Holy shit, the Guinness line can't be real, can it?

Edit: I mean, complete with the wrong spelling of the actual beer?

Freddy Linn · Feb 3, 2014

Offensive Players of the Week

Russell Okung, James Carpenter, Max Unger, J.R Sweezy, Breno Giacomini, the offensive line, Seattle. Aside from keeping Wilson mostly clean all night (he wasn’t sacked), the line cleared the way for a running game that averaged 4.7 yards per rush.

The Seattle run game was Harvin on end-arounds and Wilson scrambling. Lynch and Turbin averaged 2.7 yards/rush. Outside of his 18-yarder, Lynch had 14 carries for 21 yards. Unger got abused early in the game.

soxfan121 · Feb 3, 2014

John Marzano Olympic Hero said:
If you don't remember his hissy fits, it was pretty epic, even for Peter King. Just weeks and weeks and weeks of bitching about the Super Bowl in NY/NJ and how the NFL was making a gigantic mistake.

Peter King, corporate partner of the NFL, was on Dan Patrick's show this AM (Florio hosting - Patrick on Olympic duty) and he looked super pissed that the bad weather of today (currently snowing in Manhattan!) did not happen yesterday. The words coming from his mouth were mealy and blandly pro-NFL but his body language and the glance at the window while scowling confirms that he still thinks it was a "gigantic mistake".

But give him credit - he didn't say that. He fluffed the NFL's balls with admirable professionalism while mostly holding his tongue on a personal level.

Corsi · Feb 3, 2014

In my 30 seasons covering the NFL, I can remember only three defensive performances that compare: the 1985 Bears’ stifling 46-10 rout of the Patriots, Baltimore’s 34-7 beat down of the Giants in Super Bowl XXXV and the Giants shocking New England—at that point the highest-scoring team in any single season—17-14 in Super Bowl XLII.

Why does he have to put this in the context of "[his] 30 seasons covering the NFL"? Was he watching games we weren't? Just say, "In the past 30 years in the NFL." No need to tout that you've been covering the league for that long. We understand.

Corsi · Feb 3, 2014

Also: thanks for letting everyone know what 9/11 was. Can you tell me about the Holocaust now? Pearl Harbor?

I think he just needed to find another way to squeeze "Manhattan" into his column. Pretty sure he's being paid by the chamber of commerce at this point.

Average Reds · Feb 3, 2014

Ralphwiggum said:
Holy shit, the Guinness line can't be real, can it?

Edit: I mean, complete with the wrong spelling of the actual beer?

As someone who worked for Guinness many moons ago, let me just say that there are so many misconceptions about how to serve it that I crack up each time anyone tries to sound like a beer expert about the brand. The fact that he would cite his bartender as a source of knowledge is the height of irony, as they are the source of most of the misinformation out there.

Misspelling the damn beer makes the whole thing perfect.

Reverend · Feb 3, 2014

Corsi said:
Why does he have to put this in the context of "[his] 30 seasons covering the NFL"? Was he watching games we weren't? Just say, "In the past 30 years in the NFL." No need to tout that you've been covering the league for that long. We understand.

He did the same thing when he included an extra sentence to point out that he was a SB MVP voter rather than just saying who he cast his vote for.

JimD · Feb 3, 2014

Distance from New York Giants’ practice facility in East Rutherford, N.J. (where I covered Seahawks practice as a pool reporter Friday), to West 27th Street in Manhattan (where I hosted an event Friday evening): 8.4 miles.
Time it took me to drive the 8.4 miles Friday at 4:37 p.m.: 1 hour, 53 minutes.

Isn't this pretty typical? I've never lived in the area but I've traveled there plenty and spent a few afternoons in a car or on a bus in standstill traffic on the Helix to the Lincoln Tunnel.

Ralphwiggum · Feb 3, 2014

Instead of what he wrote about Guinness he could have written "You know what, I like Guinness better when it is served colder than they do in Ireland. I know that it is supposed to be served warmer, but I just like it colder." That might be the point that he's trying to make but he's just such an asshole and so full of himself at this point that instead he ends up making an unequivocal statement because he's Peter King and he's decided that it is better served colder.

Plus he could have spelled the name of the beer the right way.

joe dokes · Feb 3, 2014

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h. Beernerdness: Guiness is best served colder than the Irish like it. I know that because at a Super Bowl event Thursday night in the city, the bartender told us they were serving at normal American beer temperatures. Not trying to be revolutionary, but it’s just better colder.

No, it is not.

As with so many things upon which he opines, he wants to create the image of beer connoisseur without actually being one. Serving a beer at "american temperatures" kills the taste. (That's why Coors advertises its beer being best at the temperature of liquid nitrogen).
So basically, he wont admit to Guinness not being his particular cup of tea, so he makesa fool of himself instead.

Other King revelations.....when in Paris, make sure to order the filet mignon well done and have them chill your cabernet. Its just better.

Average Reds · Feb 3, 2014

JimD said:
Isn't this pretty typical? I've never lived in the area but I've traveled there plenty and spent a few afternoons in a car or on a bus in standstill traffic on the Helix to the Lincoln Tunnel.

Not sure I'd describe that as typical, but it's certainly not atypical to take that kind of time to get through the tunnels on a Friday at rush hour.

King's probably pissed that he didn't get a police escort.

Corsi · Feb 3, 2014

JimD said:
Isn't this pretty typical? I've never lived in the area but I've traveled there plenty and spent a few afternoons in a car or on a bus in standstill traffic on the Helix to the Lincoln Tunnel.

That's not even the point of that anecdote. He just wants you to know he covered the Seahawks as a pool reporter in the afternoon and then hosted an event in the evening.

Reverend · Feb 3, 2014

Average Reds said:
As someone who worked for Guinness many moons ago, let me just say that there are so many misconceptions about how to serve it that I crack up each time anyone tries to sound like a beer expert about the brand. The fact that he would cite his bartender as a source of knowledge is the height of irony, as they are the source of most of the misinformation out there.

Misspelling the damn beer makes the whole thing perfect.

At a Bash a couple years ago, one of the bar tenders got really snippy with me when I suggested that Jack Daniels wasn't a bourbon. He literally responded, "Well, it says it is on the label" in a really snotty manner. I asked him to show me. He was clearly annoyed with me the rest of the night.

Why does King trust bar tenders to be masters of their craft and not baristas I wonder? I think this is entirely consistent with his generally foppery of sucking up, and bar tenders are lords of their realms in bars and baristas are just the help. Entirely too consistent, sadly.

Reverend · Feb 3, 2014

joe dokes said:
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As with so many things upon which he opines, he wants to create the image of beer connoisseur without actually being one. Serving a beer at "american temperatures" kills the taste. (That's why Coors advertises its beer being best at the temperature of liquid nitrogen).
So basically, he wont admit to Guinness not being his particular cup of tea, so he makesa fool of himself instead.

Other King revelations.....when in Paris, make sure to order the filet mignon well done and have them chill your cabernet. Its just better.

This is exactly right. He can't just say he doesn't really like Guinness because everyone knows that Guinness is good, effectively by definition.

joe dokes · Feb 3, 2014

Corsi said:
That's not even the point of that anecdote. He just wants you to know he covered the Seahawks as a pool reporter in the afternoon and then hosted an event in the evening.

"Hosted an event." My wife and I call it "having people over."

Ralphwiggum · Feb 3, 2014

I didn't get the sense that he was appealing to the bartender as an authority on how to serve Guinness. The bartender just happened to mention to him that the Guinness was being served colder than it is typically served in Ireland, and Peter King, Authority on All Things Beer Related, decided it is better this way. In fact, he actually feels sorry for those silly Irishmen who drink it warmer and thus don't get the full enjoyment out of it.

Leather · Feb 3, 2014

Peter King: The way I experience things is the Best Way To Experience Things.

If he takes a trip to Ireland next month, I would fully expect him to say "Guinness should be served at room temperature, it's the best way."

He is a small man that needs to pump himself up to feel good about life. The fact that he has a life of wealth and comfort and still feels insecure is just pathetic.

joe dokes · Feb 3, 2014

Ralphwiggum said:
I didn't get the sense that he was appealing to the bartender as an authority on how to serve Guinness. The bartender just happened to mention to him that the Guinness was being served colder than it is typically served in Ireland, and Peter King, Authority on All Things Beer Related, decided it is better this way. In fact, he actually feels sorry for those silly Irishmen who drink it warmer and thus don't get the full enjoyment out of it.

Thats how I took it too. it was probably served colder because it was a room full of Peter Kings. In fact, the bartender may have been apologizing to him in advance. "sorry pal, just so you know, the boss said make it colder than usual" since most anyone that orders a Guinness probably expects a slightly warmer beer.

Reverend · Feb 3, 2014

Ralphwiggum said:
I didn't get the sense that he was appealing to the bartender as an authority on how to serve Guinness. The bartender just happened to mention to him that the Guinness was being served colder than it is typically served in Ireland, and Peter King, Authority on All Things Beer Related, decided it is better this way. In fact, he actually feels sorry for those silly Irishmen who drink it warmer and thus don't get the full enjoyment out of it.

Yeah, but like AverageReds, I don't necessarily trust the bar tender to know if it's true. I mean, it probably was, because America. But I was just pointing out that he accepts that the bar tender at this event, whatever it was and wherever he came from, knows both the Irish temperature and the temperature they were serving it that night. As per above, I would conjecture it's colder if they were serving it "American style." But it just strikes an interesting contrast to his belittlement of the barista whose macchiato didn't conform to his specific definition.

ifmanis5 · Feb 3, 2014

Was looking forward to this thread today and you guys did not disappoint. Bravo, SoSH.

By the way this statement is so damn wrong:

If you live on the east side of Manhattan, as I do, there was no indication anything different was up on Sunday.

I went for a walk on Saturday night w/my better half (on the east side of Manhattan, no less) and we both noticed that it was nothing but helicopters swirling overhead, tons of Super Bowl parties, spotlights shooting into the sky every 10 blocks, tons of cops and security everywhere and Super Br0s in game jerseys out in full force at every bar or just hanging out and woo-hoo'ing. Leave it to King to miss all this.

Corsi · Feb 3, 2014

ifmanis5 said:
Was looking forward to this thread today and you guys did not disappoint. Bravo, SoSH.

By the way this statement is so damn wrong:

I went for a walk on Saturday night w/my better half (on the east side of Manhattan, no less) and we both noticed that it was nothing but helicopters swirling overhead, tons of Super Bowl parties, spotlights shooting into the sky every 10 blocks, tons of cops and security everywhere and Super Br0s in game jerseys out in full force at every bar or just hanging out and woo-hoo'ing. Leave it to King to miss all this.

Easy to miss it, when you're 50 stories up.

ifmanis5 · Feb 3, 2014

Corsi said:
Easy to miss it, when you're 50 stories up.

Sure. Or, if you live with your head up your own fat ass.
No doubt NY can absorb a large scale event more than Jacksonville can, but on Saturday night, all you had to do was open your eyes and ears and it was all around you.

joe dokes · Feb 3, 2014

ifmanis5 said:
Sure. Or, if you live with your head up your own fat ass.
No doubt NY can absorb a large scale event more than Jacksonville can, but on Saturday night, all you had to do was open your eyes and ears and it was all around you.

King said Sunday. Considering he probably had to head to jersey pretty early to get to the game, his comment is basically "The east side was pretty quiet early on Sunday morning." No shit. Other than nighttime snowstorms, Sunday mornings (7-10AM) are the quietest times on the streets.

E5 Yaz · Feb 3, 2014

Among other moments, the one that stuck with me was his brushing off Art Howe's opinion of the PSH role in "Moneyball." It didn't occur to King that Howe might not have been portrayed accurately -- instead being used as a symbol of old-school baseball thinking. King is basically saying, it doesn't matter if Howe's reputation was tarnished unfairly, because PSH was so good as a bumbling old-schooler.

Imagine King's assessment if he someday is portrayed in a movie as a sanctimonious clueless jock-sniffer who thinks because he has a national forum he's actually important.

johnmd20 · Feb 3, 2014

ifmanis5 said:
Sure. Or, if you live with your head up your own fat ass.
No doubt NY can absorb a large scale event more than Jacksonville can, but on Saturday night, all you had to do was open your eyes and ears and it was all around you.

And forget about the east side. Super Bowl way was absolutely MOBBED on Saturday. It was insane and forget about driving. Yesterday, however, all was quiet on the east side for most of the day, until about 3pm. Then you saw the traffic pick up a bit considerably and the bars were crowded. I'm sure Super Bowl Way was mobbed again. It wasn't even remotely dead.

On a normal January Sunday, there is NO traffic in Manhattan. The city is dead, you can go anywhere on Sunday without an hassle. In summary, King is making something out of nothing. And he's wrong.

pappymojo · Feb 3, 2014

In my 30 seasons covering the NFL, I can remember only three defensive performances that compare: the 1985 Bears’ stifling 46-10 rout of the Patriots, Baltimore’s 34-7 beat down of the Giants in Super Bowl XXXV and the Giants shocking New England—at that point the highest-scoring team in any single season—17-14 in Super Bowl XLII.[\quote]

for fuck's sake.

2010 - the Saints held the Colts (and Manning) to 17 points
2001 - the Ravens held the Giants to 7 points
1990 - the 49ers held the Broncos (and Elway) to 10 points
1988 - the Redskins held the Broncos (and Elway) to 10 points
1984 - the Raiders held the Redskins to 9 points

There are three games right there that would be natural and interesting comparisons.

Reverend · Feb 3, 2014

I haven't read the actual column in ages but decided to because I was curious what it would be like given how this Super Bowl went.

He has an endorsement deal with Starwood that he hasn't made public, doesn't he?

STATS OF THE WEEK

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MetLife Stadium and the Westin Hotel Jersey City have been very, very good to the Seattle Seahawks.

Three times in the last three seasons—before playing the Giants in 2011, before playing the Giants again in 2013, and before playing this Super Bowl—the Seahawks stayed in the relatively new hotel eight miles from MetLife Stadium. Seattle won the three games, 36-25, 23-0 and 43-8.

Score: Seattle 104, Foes 33.
Seattle intercepted Eli and Peyton Manning 10 times in the three games, and was intercepted twice.
Seattle forced 14 turnovers in the three games and turned it over four times.

MR. STARWOOD PREFERRED MEMBER TRAVEL NOTE OF THE WEEK

So Saturday was our Hall of Fame voting day in Manhattan. We cast our ballots in a ballroom on the second floor of the media hotel, the Sheraton Times Square. Lunch was brought in midway through the proceedings. Specifically, box lunches for the 46 voters and Hall officials. A description of my lunch:

Something about the way he keeps jamming in "Westin" into his narratives...

epraz · Feb 3, 2014

Reverend, you cut out the quote before he described the lunch, wherein he complained about the size of the bag of chips he received for free.

ifmanis5 · Feb 3, 2014

epraz said:
Reverend, you cut out the quote before he described the lunch, wherein he complained about the size of the bag of chips he received for free.

King said it cost $102 bucks with tip.

The cost: $102, including tip.

I loved how King complained about working too much, though.

The MMQB doesn’t go into hibernation now just because the football season is over. We’ll be daily throughout the offseason. Only shorter, thank God.

I assume someone has a gun to his head so he can over-share his Starwood experiences?

E5 Yaz · Feb 3, 2014

The $2 was the tip, right?

epraz · Feb 3, 2014

There's no way he's paying for that. The NFL's got to pay or reimburse that.

coremiller · Feb 3, 2014

During the week, I was the pool reporter assigned to cover Seattle practices and distribute whatever news might come out of them.

So what's his takeaway from watching them practice all week? Did they install any special anti-Manning tricks on defense to take away Denver's favorite plays? How many new plays for Percy Harvin did they prepare?

This is what I saw during the week: a team having fun at practice, like it was some dance party, and a team that really gets along. And works at a fast pace.

Oh. They play loud music.

New strategy for NFL coaching success:

Step 1: Play loud music at practice
Step 2: ??????
Step 3: Win Super Bowl!

dirtynine · Feb 3, 2014

Step 1: Play loud music at practice
Step 2: ??????
Step 3: Win Super Bowl!

To be fair, this was probably also Pete Carroll's thought process when he took the job.

joe dokes · Feb 10, 2014

I spoke to four club officials Sunday—three general managers, one scout—and the reaction to a third-round prospect being gay ran the gamut. I spoke to all anonymously, because with such a touchy subject, I assumed all would either no-comment me (and one other GM did) or say something so sanitized it wouldn’t really be the truth. I don’t like to do anonymous sources to write an entire story, but I felt in this case it would give the best information possible.

Peter King comes out, too. Admits he's longer being a journalist.

He doesn't even wait for sources to request anonymity. He promises it up front (at least that's what the "assume" language makes it seem).

Maybe they would no comment YOU because they dont like YOU.

With drops factored in, Aaron Rodgers was league’s most accurate QB this season. Accurate on 79.3% of passes.”
—@PFF, the Pro Football Focus Twitter account.
I think that’s great … and I’m sure it is a hugely impressive number. Does accurate mean “catchable?” And I need context. Anyone else close?

Hmm, maybe this ProFootballFocus guy has a thingy..what do they calll it...oh yeah, a "website" where someone could get more information.

joe dokes · Feb 11, 2014

King's defense of his sourcing would make his journalism professors roll in their graves:

ANONYMOUS RIPS. I’ve been a long-time reader of your MMQB column and normally I find it a fun and interesting read every Monday. This morning I was really disappointed in your decision to print opinions and musings of a handful of cowardly NFL GMs and personnel men. If these people don’t have the guts to put their names behind their words, you shouldn’t be printing them. After the bravery and maturity that Michael Sam showed by coming out on Sunday, I think it does a disservice to him and the larger discussion of LGBT players in the NFL to let those with bigoted opinions hide behind a veil of anonymity. Although you claimed in your column that you did this to give the best possible information, I don’t see how this information could possibly be even considered ‘good.’ Which team has bigot for a GM? We won’t find out from your article because you let these cowards hide. That whole section seems to be more to drive page views than provide any useful information and it really makes me rethink spending any time on your website.

—Justin Anderson
Justin, I totally understand your frustration. I received hundreds of similar responses. All I can say is this: I’ve been covering the NFL for nearly 30 years. I could ask general managers I have very good relationships with for their honest opinion about Sam, and I will guarantee you the ones who answer will sugarcoat their answers. Why wouldn’t they? If a GM on the record says, “Being gay will hurt his draft stock,’’ this GM will be vilified from coast to coast. If a GM granted anonymity is asked about Sam and believes being gay will hurt his draft stock—whether by his team or teams in general—he can say it without being hurt. So, which would you rather have? A GM on the record saying something that very well might not be the truth because the guy doesn’t want to be burned? Or a GM who is told his identity won’t be revealed and so can speak honestly?

So he'll only talk to the ones he "has good relationships with"? Did ALL GMs say it would hurt his drft position? If, as he says, the ones who think it will won't be honest, how about the ones who don't?

The bolded part confirms to me that they didn't ask for it; he just gave it to them. And he didn't even bother asking 10 or 20 or 30 GMs. (Seems to me that Belichick's statement amounted to "doesn't hurt his draft stock with me." But PK doesn't talk to BB).

Vandalman · Feb 11, 2014

b. Fifty years ago on Sunday, The Beatles debuted in America on The Ed Sullivan Show (in the Manhattan theater where David Letterman’s show is now produced) with “I Want To Hold Your Hand.’’ Never knew that, after the show, they recorded another set that was played, to another ratings bonanza, on the show two weeks later.

Close. They debuted with All My Loving, then performed Till There Was You, She Loves You, I Saw Her Standing There, and finally I Want to Hold Your Hand.

Just a bit outside · Feb 11, 2014

joe dokes said:
But PK doesn't talk to BB.

I think it is the other way around.

pedro1918 · Feb 11, 2014

b. Fifty years ago on Sunday, The Beatles debuted in America on The Ed Sullivan Show (in the Manhattan theater where David Letterman’s show is now produced) with “I Want To Hold Your Hand.’’ Never knew that, after the show, they recorded another set that was played, to another ratings bonanza, on the show two weeks later.

Close. They debuted with All My Loving, then performed Till There Was You, She Loves You, I Saw Her Standing There, and finally I Want to Hold Your Hand.

Also, a real nitpick here, but they recorded the set for the show two weeks later BEFORE they appeared live.

joe dokes · Feb 11, 2014

Just a bit outside said:
I think it is the other way around.

I think BB *would* talk to him. He just *wouldn't* treat King special. So he's dead to King.

Shelterdog · Feb 11, 2014

John Marzano Olympic Hero said:
So if a GM says something dumb with anonymity, it's okay? Seriously? And we want to protect this person's idiocy, because why? I bet Al Campanis wished that he could have said his idiotic statements in silhouette and with a voice modulator. I understand what he's saying about GMs sticking to talking points and stuff, but this is just weak sauce. Not my fault, how could it be?

So in the end, people who make homophobic statements are okay because, well, they talk to Peter King (on AND off the record). But because he won't talk to Peter King, Cam Newton is a fucking dick. The unabashed cronyism this guy has is sickening. And I get it, writers protect sources and people they like, but don't be so god damn blatant about it.

For me the problem isn't so much that he's getting interesting quotes from anonymous sources--that's part of a reporter's toolbox, after all--it's that he's probably going to tongue bath these guys during the season as wonderful human beings even though he knows what they say off the record.

So lets figure out which quotes are from Dimitroff, which from Baalke, and which are from Les Snead, because those three are probably his biggest go to sources.

wutang112878 · Feb 11, 2014

Is anyone applauded by the timing? Sam does something monumental and courageous and within 24 hrs King decides its necessary for everyone to know that there are a bunch of anonymous bigots who run NFL franchises. It seems he was very interested in getting his page clicks and demonstrated how archaic the NFL still is. If I were a writer, I would want to give the guy a little bit of time before completely crapping on him.

Reverend · Feb 11, 2014

wutang112878 said:
Is anyone applauded by the timing? Sam does something monumental and courageous and within 24 hrs King decides its necessary for everyone to know that there are a bunch of anonymous bigots who run NFL franchises. It seems he was very interested in getting his page clicks and demonstrated how archaic the NFL still is. If I were a writer, I would want to give the guy a little bit of time before completely crapping on him.

Well, he couldn't risk getting scooped on the story that there are retrograde neanderthals in some of the NFL front offices, now, could he?

wutang112878 · Feb 11, 2014

Exactly, that would require some genuine compassion for Sam to pass up that chance and King isnt capable of feelings unless you mess up his coffee.

pappymojo · Feb 11, 2014

Another thing, why go to these sources granting them anonymity up front? Why not, you know, ask them to comment on record first? Wouldn't that be much more interesting for his readers?

Stevie1der · Feb 11, 2014

pappymojo said:
Another thing, why go to these sources granting them anonymity up front? Why not, you know, ask them to comment on record first? Wouldn't that be much more interesting for his readers?

I think that in all likelihood demanding on-record comments probably just yields a bunch of PC, disingenuous platitudes. The more interesting story here is what do NFL executives really think, not what do they think people want to hear. And you probably don't get that story with names attached to quotes.

But I do think it's possible that if you hit the pavement, call as many guys as you can, and seek out as many voices as possible on the record, that there's a chance an interesting story could develop out of that. But that would take a much better and hard-working writer than Peter King has demonstrated himself to be in recent years.

Corsi · Feb 11, 2014

Isn't it just as big of a story if King says "I called every GM in the league and none would go on the record with me regarding Michael Sam." But, then of course, King would kind of be biting the hand that feeds him and he would never do that.

wutang112878 · Feb 11, 2014

Wow thats an awesome thought. Collectively, I think it would have been better for the GMs to all say nothing than to have these quotes come out, and being silent is certainly better than sounding like an anonymous neanderthal. It would have been a bigger story too if none of them went on or if only a handful did then we could point fingers at those who didnt. King really likes to cover for his guys, what an awful person.

JimD · Feb 12, 2014

Corsi said:
Isn't it just as big of a story if King says "I called every GM in the league and none would go on the record with me regarding Michael Sam." But, then of course, King would kind of be biting the hand that feeds him and he would never do that.

My thoughts exactly. As much as we dump on him around here, he's still Peter King in the football world. You'd like to think that a column from one of the preeminent NFL writers taking these anonymous executives to task for spewing such garbage off the record but being unwilling to put their names to it would carry some weight.

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