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All the Bengals needed to do was be smart and cool. How can you blame anyone other than 2 players who could have controlled their emotions.
Don't forget to adding Marvin Lewis. The team was out of control the entire game and even before the game.

So we're the Steelers and Id blame Tomlin and his coaching staff as well if they lost.

How many 15 yard penalties were there? 10? Rex Ryan would be proud.
 

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Why is everyone acting like the Broncos are this unstoppable powerhouse who will roll over Pitt? They won at least 5 games this year with a bit or a lot of luck. Their QB is not good and could border on terrible. Just like this week, when this site turned the 2015 Steelers into the '85 Bears, they are now handing the AFC to the Broncos.

Every team is flawed and this "Denver is going to win so easily," commentary makes no sense.
 

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Why is everyone acting like the Broncos are this unstoppable powerhouse who will roll over Pitt? They won at least 5 games this year with a bit or a lot of luck. Their QB is not good and could border on terrible. Just like this week, when this site turned the 2015 Steelers into the '85 Bears, they are now handing the AFC to the Broncos.

Every team is flawed and this "Denver is going to win so easily," commentary makes no sense.
Steelers defense is suspect, Roethlisberger, if he plays, will be banged up and they could be without Antonio Brown against the best defense in football. I don't necessarily believe it'll be a cake walk, but the Broncos are in a MUCH better position to win this game.
 

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Steelers defense is suspect, Roethlisberger, if he plays, will be banged up and they could be without Antonio Brown against the best defense in football. I don't necessarily believe it'll be a cake walk, but the Broncos are in a MUCH better position to win this game.
Well, they are the number one seed, so they will be playing at home. But Denver isn't a dominate force that cannot, under any circumstances, lose a game of football because they are just too good.

They aren't too good. No team is.
 

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It boils down to Lewis, but it also comes down to having certain players on your team. I don't think Vince Lombardi controls Burfict.

Bengals consistently have been willing to take risks to amp the talent level. It used to be with substance abuse guys; now it's limited to craziness/quirkiness guys.

They are not alone. Cowboys. A few will roll the dice on Hardy, Burfict, Manziel, Gordon and so forth. Most will not. So a good part of this probably goes on Mike Brown.

Steelers? They get away with this shit. There is the Rooney Rule, and Rooney rules. I have childhood memories of Mean Joe Green ripping helmets off opponents. Everyone thought it was cute, announcing crews included.

The Shazier hit absolutely was the pivot point in the game. I hope the crew missed it, but I can't help feeling it engaged in some Mike Carey style rationalization on the spot.

Tomlin encourages this shit while pretending he doesn't. Just as he complains about comms to excuse bad defeats. Just as he tries to trip kick returners going for TD against his team. He is a passive/aggressive hypocritical asshole. CBS and other media love him.

If they get lit on fire next week in Denver, a small part of me will be happy.
 
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Well, they are the number one seed, so they will be playing at home. But Denver isn't a dominate force that cannot, under any circumstances, lose a game of football because they are just too good.

They aren't too good. No team is.
Nobody said that. In fact, the people making noise about this are folks who expected and hoped that the Steelers would take Broncos out.

But that's not happening if Ben has a separated or badly sprained throwing shoulder -- and it's not happening with Landry Jones.
 

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With the Reggie Wilson, Kirkpatrick, and Bernard injuries I was looking forward to Cincy coming to Foxboro. Lack of discipline really cost them. I feel quite apprehensive about next weekend. I know Houston sucks, but the defensive pressure from KC concerns me. Was Rothlesberger keeping his right arm immobile in that post game on field interview?
 

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With the Reggie Wilson, Kirkpatrick, and Bernard injuries I was looking forward to Cincy coming to Foxboro. Lack of discipline really cost them. I feel quite apprehensive about next weekend. I know Houston sucks, but the defensive pressure from KC concerns me. Was Rothlesberger keeping his right arm immobile in that post game on field interview?
It looked strangely tucked against the side of his body to me, but I assumed I was reading into it. But then,

1. Absolutely dodged a question from Tracy Wolfson about how he was. Ben typically would say, "it's a little sore but we'll be alright."

2. Per PFT.com, he told Tomlin, "I'll give you what I have." But when a play was suggested, Ben said, "I can't throw it that far"
 

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Saw that too. I completely agree Denver is not some unstoppable force, how ever Ben will most likely be very limited and I don't see how AB passes concussion protocol. If the Pats win next weekend I think they definitely go through Denver.
 

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It is that was my point, the post saying 10 percent chance seems real low.
Where are you seeing -4.5, offshore? I'm seeing -5.5 to -6 on VI with no major books actually posting a line yet, nothing on Bovada either. Assume you won't see anything until Ben/Brown status is updated.

I'll be shocked if the line isn't at least 7 by kickoff unless Brown and Ben are both considered fully healthy.

The Pats on the other hand have officially opened in a few major books between -4.5 and -5.
 

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Where are you seeing -4.5, offshore? I'm seeing -5.5 to -6 on VI with no major books actually posting a line yet, nothing on Bovada either. Assume you won't see anything until Ben/Brown status is updated.

I'll be shocked if the line isn't at least 7 by kickoff unless Brown and Ben are both considered fully healthy.

The Pats on the other hand have officially opened in a few major books between -4.5 and -5.

http://www.footballlocks.com/nfl_lines.shtml

Date & Time Favorite Line Underdog Total
1/16 4:35 ET At New England -4.5 Kansas City 43.5
1/16 8:15 ET At Arizona
1/17 1:05 ET At Carolina
1/17 4:40 ET At Denver -6 Pittsburgh 40.5
 

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It boils down to Lewis, but it also comes down to having certain players on your team. I don't think Vince Lombardi controls Burfict.

Bengals consistently have been willing to take risks to amp the talent level. It used to be with substance abuse guys; now it's limited to craziness/quirkiness guys.

They are not alone. Cowboys. A few will roll the dice on Hardy, Burfict, Manziel, Gordon and so forth. Most will not. So a good part of this probably goes on Mike Brown.

Steelers? They get away with this shit. There is the Rooney Rule, and Rooney rules. I have childhood memories of Mean Joe Green ripping helmets off opponents. Everyone thought it was cute, announcing crews included.

The Shazier hit absolutely was the pivot point in the game. I hope the crew missed it, but I can't help feeling it engaged in some Mike Carey style rationalization on the spot.

Tomlin encourages this shit while pretending he doesn't. Just as he complains about comms to excuse bad defeats. Just as he tries to trip kick returners going for TD against his team. He is a passive/aggressive hypocritical asshole. CBS and other media love him.

If they get lit on fire next week in Denver, a small part of me will be happy.
Bingo. Burfict was a grade A headcase back in college. All the physical tools, but everyone knew he was batshit even then. The Bungles knew - or damn well should have known - exactly what they were getting. They deserve every last bit of scorn being heaped on them.
 

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Big Ben is plastic man. If he was able to throw the ball 20 yards yesterday, and his shoulder was not separated, he should be ok. The bigger issue is Brown. Bryant is awesome but he's awesome because Brown takes a lot of the coverage. No Brown and it'll be very tough for the Steelers.
 

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It boils down to Lewis, but it also comes down to having certain players on your team. I don't think Vince Lombardi controls Burfict.

Bengals consistently have been willing to take risks to amp the talent level. It used to be with substance abuse guys; now it's limited to craziness/quirkiness guys.

They are not alone. Cowboys. A few will roll the dice on Hardy, Burfict, Manziel, Gordon and so forth. Most will not. So a good part of this probably goes on Mike Brown.

Steelers? They get away with this shit. There is the Rooney Rule, and Rooney rules. I have childhood memories of Mean Joe Green ripping helmets off opponents. Everyone thought it was cute, announcing crews included.

The Shazier hit absolutely was the pivot point in the game. I hope the crew missed it, but I can't help feeling it engaged in some Mike Carey style rationalization on the spot.

Tomlin encourages this shit while pretending he doesn't. Just as he complains about comms to excuse bad defeats. Just as he tries to trip kick returners going for TD against his team. He is a passive/aggressive hypocritical asshole. CBS and other media love him.

If they get lit on fire next week in Denver, a small part of me will be happy.
Tomlin quote from podium: "I thought both teams represented what the AFC North is all about."
Such macho BS.
The ESPN talking heads on NFL Insiders were pretty specific, citing chapter and verse from the rule book, that the Shazier hit was illegal.
 

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Saw that too. I completely agree Denver is not some unstoppable force, how ever Ben will most likely be very limited and I don't see how AB passes concussion protocol. If the Pats win next weekend I think they definitely go through Denver.
Agreed.

Denver's offense is the same big question mark it's been all season. I have no clue how to predict what we see out of that unit. Even with Pitt's shitty D, I just don't expect to see a lot of points.

Denver's defense should be (not will be, should be) solid at worst and great at best. Ben's shoulder will be a story all week as will Brown's status. Right now I expect Ben will play and possibly be limited (but if there's one QB in the game who can play well through pain, it's BR), but I bet he will still be dangerous. Brown will have one extra day to clear the concussion protocol, so I will not count him out until the kick off. Deangelo Williams might be back too. All that is to say Denver's D may still have their hands full.

You guys claiming the Broncos have an easy win are overstating things. I think Denver should and will win, but it won't be easy.
 

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Denver has shown that they are an undisciplined group when things turn against them. If I'm PITT I go into that game with the same dirty attitude that worked perfectly yesterday and try to put hot heads like Ward and Miller on tilt. There's little for them to lose.

I fully expect Ben to play because the dude is bionic. Also, I won't be surprised to see Brown out there. Plenty of players have made it back the next week after nasty hits putting them in the concussion protocol.
 

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Agreed.

Denver's offense is the same big question mark it's been all season. I have no clue how to predict what we see out of that unit. Even with Pitt's shitty D, I just don't expect to see a lot of points.

Denver's defense should be (not will be, should be) solid at worst and great at best. Ben's shoulder will be a story all week as will Brown's status. Right now I expect Ben will play and possibly be limited (but if there's one QB in the game who can play well through pain, it's BR), but I bet he will still be dangerous. Brown will have one extra day to clear the concussion protocol, so I will not count him out until the kick off. Deangelo Williams might be back too. All that is to say Denver's D may still have their hands full.

You guys claiming the Broncos have an easy win are overstating things. I think Denver should and will win, but it won't be easy.
Even if Ben/Brown play, Ben hasn't been great on the road the last two years and considerably worse this year with a 5/9 TD/INT ratio on the road. If you assume either of them can't go or are very limited this is a bad team. If neither can go this is a bottom 5 team in the NFL. The alternate would have been a division rival with the best defense in the NFL the last 10 or so weeks. That would have been a much, much tougher game for DEN.
 

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Also too bad relocation has already closed because that should be the first team to go. CIN does not deserve a football team, fans were simply disgusting yesterday, cheering injuries and throwing shit on the field. Something almost hit Ben while he was on the cart.

Stay classy CIN. Thug mentality on the field and in the stands.
 

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ESPN Sunday show just did the Bengals/Steelers game highlight and are talking about it now. They didn't even show the Shazier play. All they did was yell at how awful the Bengals are as people and passed on any negative stuff on the Steelers. Finally Keyshawn mentions that Porter on the field probably provoked Jones. Very one sided analysis.
 

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ESPN Sunday show just did the Bengals/Steelers game highlight and are talking about it now. They didn't even show the Shazier play. All they did was yell at how awful the Bengals are as people and passed on any negative stuff on the Steelers. Finally Keyshawn mentions that Porter on the field probably provoked Jones. Very one sided analysis.
Very one sided 'analysis' scripted by corporate masters who have much to gain by painting thuggish behaviour as an anomaly limited to a single, no-longer-relevant team. .

Tomlin's right, the game did a good job of 'highlighting' the norm in the AFC North
 

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ESPN Sunday show just did the Bengals/Steelers game highlight and are talking about it now. They didn't even show the Shazier play. All they did was yell at how awful the Bengals are as people and passed on any negative stuff on the Steelers. Finally Keyshawn mentions that Porter on the field probably provoked Jones. Very one sided analysis.
It's ESPN. They pick a side and they stick to it, hell or high water. It is an impressive and consistent display of journalistic malpractice.
 

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Bingo. Burfict was a grade A headcase back in college. All the physical tools, but everyone knew he was batshit even then. The Bungles knew - or damn well should have known - exactly what they were getting. They deserve every last bit of scorn being heaped on them.
I've seen users on Reddit say that in high school Burfict once tried to take out Matt Barkley's knees even though they were both committed to USC. The guy is completely unhinged.
 

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Major revelation to me yesterday was the effectiveness of Pitts' running game, even allowing for Cincy having a major challenge containing the passing attack. O line and back of roster RBs did a nice job. But if Ben can't throw more than 15 or 20 yards ..
 

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Tomlin quote from podium: "I thought both teams represented what the AFC North is all about."
Such macho BS.
The ESPN talking heads on NFL Insiders were pretty specific, citing chapter and verse from the rule book, that the Shazier hit was illegal.
I have to agree with Tomlin. Every team from that division is dirty cheap and full of self righteous whiners.
 

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Has it been revealed what PacMan was flagged for? I have heard bumping an official but the videos that have been shown don't show that....
I really hope that something happened that we haven't seen yet because if the officials really decided the game on throwing a flag for shit talking that is pathetic.
 

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Why are people assuming that Brown won't play? We know that concussions, even ones that look like really bad, have a wide array of outcomes and we know that the concussion protocol is not really a serious thing if teams don't want it to be. I mean there is a good chance that Brown doesn't play but I'd put the odds much closer to him playing then not playing.
 

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Why are people assuming that Brown won't play? We know that concussions, even ones that look like really bad, have a wide array of outcomes and we know that the concussion protocol is not really a serious thing if teams don't want it to be. I mean there is a good chance that Brown doesn't play but I'd put the odds much closer to him playing then not playing.
I wonder if the altitude will further impact the concussion symptoms. Teams typically try to fly out early (though that doesn't really help) but that might not be a good idea for someone with a concussion.
 

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Tom Jackson: "Marshawn Lynch practiced hard all week--his not being there is a direct reflection of not getting the ball at the end of the SB." Wow.
 

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Shocked ESPN actually mentioned that the league is concerned about PSI and will be swapping the balls out at halftime. They mentioned both sets of balls will be measured post game, of course that will probably be after they have been in the locker room for at least an hour so they come back up to temp.

All but guaranteed they won't be measuring the balls at halftime right after they are brought in.

Wonder who the NFL will leak the post game PSI measurements to that shows the balls barely changed PSI after the game.
 

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If they're concerned enough that they're swapping out the balls at halftime, then they're acknowledging a significant decrease in PSI in cold weather.
 

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Jackson simply said Lynch has never forgiven not getting the ball, and everybody including Florio agreed he's gone due to his $11.5 M cap hit. I say a shame to be going out like this.
 

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Michael Irvin just tried to throw a pass to Rich Eisen about 2 yards apart and Irvin missed him by at least a yard. Eisen called Irvin "Matt Cassel"
 

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Lynch gave the most level headed even keeled post game comments after the Super Bowl about winning or losing as a team and that a whole game is not actually decided by one play be issue of all the other plays before hand. His "anger" about not getting the ball is seemingly a complete media fabrication.
 

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IMO the big winner last night was Denver.

fuck them.

I hope Ben steals Ashley's stash, shoots up and then fucks the Broncos.

I mean, yeah, that's the conventional wisdom, but that game last night is proof that there are no guarantees out there. Even if Big Ben is banged up he may be healthier than Manning and the in-game injuries, shitty officiating, and injuries cause massive swings.
 

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I've seen users on Reddit say that in high school Burfict once tried to take out Matt Barkley's knees even though they were both committed to USC. The guy is completely unhinged.
Hell, at ASU (he was committed to USC, but switched on signing day), Dennis freaking Erickson benched him for racking up too many personal fouls. There's a reason (actually, plenty of them) why a guy who was projected as a first-rounder went undrafted.
 

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Dan Patrick just said that Jeremy Lane didn't return until week 12 from his broken arm in the SB. Based on the replays/stills I saw of the injury at the time, that makes sense. Ugly, ugly injury b