I am still a Rodon believer. And Cortes too. They obviously need to be healthy.
2023-24 Yankees Offseason Discussion
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Worth noting it was 10 years at $300 not 12 at $325. If I'm 25, I'm taking the 10/300.
He has two opt-outs in the LAD deal, don't think we know yet when those are.
If the Yankees want to go full Evil Empire and address their pitching issues, they could go and get Trevor Bauer and Julio Urias.
Domingo German and Aroldis Chapman both still out there too, collect 'em all.
(NY will not sign any of these guys, pretty sure)
I think the pivot should be going after young Mariners pitching, though I don't know if they have the prospect haul to do that anymore.
I'm indifferent about Montgomery. I guess maybe Montas will be the starter move and then they might go load up on the bullpen.
I'm indifferent about Montgomery. I guess maybe Montas will be the starter move and then they might go load up on the bullpen.
Montas sounds like a reasonable target. He shouldn't get the kind of deal that Monty will and the Yankees know a lot about his health status and how well he recovered. Of course if they don't make a try for him, that probably means something too.
I'm intrigued by Yariel Rodriguez, wonder what his market is.
https://www.pinstripealley.com/2023/12/19/24006326/yankees-mlb-free-agents-starting-pitching-relief-npb-yariel-rodriguez-yamamoto-cole-schmidt-snell
https://www.pinstripealley.com/2023/12/19/24006326/yankees-mlb-free-agents-starting-pitching-relief-npb-yariel-rodriguez-yamamoto-cole-schmidt-snell
I’m fine not pursuing Monty. He’s a good pitcher, we like him, but he’s gonna be a very expensive number 3-4
I’m just saying. Those are the best guys out there and they can be had for cheap.
I saw Bauer's name trending on Twitter this morning, so I'm guessing people had the same idea you did.
(Also - hello everyone! I just joined the forum.)
Yeah. Not worth it. I'm happy to be rid of Chapman and German. Don't need more shitbags.
I'm already bored of the Yamo tweets but to close off the thread on my earlier posts about the yankees making the best $ offer...
[Rosenthal via The Athletic] The Yankees offered Yamamoto a higher average annual value than the Dodgers, an earlier opt-out and more money in the first five years, according to sources briefed on the respective proposals.
He was never coming here or anywhere except LA.
[Rosenthal via The Athletic] The Yankees offered Yamamoto a higher average annual value than the Dodgers, an earlier opt-out and more money in the first five years, according to sources briefed on the respective proposals.
He was never coming here or anywhere except LA.
Yeah, I don't think there is much doubt that LA was his first choice and all the negotiations with other teams were part of the process to get the Dodgers to their best offer with a decent backup team as option. Which is fine. Getting LA to pay more is good.
I'm seeing people being upset about Jack Curry calling the deal "generous". As if 300 million somehow *isn't*.
I don't really think the last part follows from the first in this case, he wanted teams to make their cases, monetarily and otherwise. I think it was close but 2nd in this gets you nothing but a 'OK, we tried, what's next'.
Florial out of options, Morris still has 2, 40 man still at 38.
View: https://twitter.com/yankees/status/1739700165517181388?s=46&t=0GHHaPVUX26Io0V2HIcS0g
View: https://twitter.com/yankees/status/1739700165517181388?s=46&t=0GHHaPVUX26Io0V2HIcS0g
Oh well hey, that's a pretty good move.
Wasn't Cody Morris once a very buzzed about pitching prospect at some point?
Wasn't Cody Morris once a very buzzed about pitching prospect at some point?
I have mixed feelings about this one as a Cleveland fan. Morris has struggled with arm injuries and he needs a regular workload for a while if he's going to get his wildness under control. He could start or relieve, but it seemed Cleveland was leaning toward the bullpen with him. He still has upside with swing and miss stuff (mostly a 4-seam fastball and changeup mix), but no longer seemed very high in the pecking order for opportunities. Interestingly, Cleveland seems to be giving little regard to rotation depth this off-season (Quantrill, Plesac and Morris are gone, only Ben Lively has been added).
Floriel is the type of low-risk, still-somewhat-high-reward flyer Cleveland should take a shot on. They desperately need outfield pop. However, they desperately need to balance the lineup with right-handed production, so I'm not sure this is a particularly good fit. Also, being out of options limits the opportunities and probably puts him in a head-to-head competition with Rule 5 pick Deivyson De Los Santos in spring training for an outfield bench spot. Floriel has the edge with positional experience (De Los Santos is a corner infielder with no opportunity to play there) but De Los Santos is right-handed.
Floriel is the type of low-risk, still-somewhat-high-reward flyer Cleveland should take a shot on. They desperately need outfield pop. However, they desperately need to balance the lineup with right-handed production, so I'm not sure this is a particularly good fit. Also, being out of options limits the opportunities and probably puts him in a head-to-head competition with Rule 5 pick Deivyson De Los Santos in spring training for an outfield bench spot. Floriel has the edge with positional experience (De Los Santos is a corner infielder with no opportunity to play there) but De Los Santos is right-handed.
Thanks for the scouting report. For fantasy baseball, I was keeping an eye on him coming into last year because there was so much buzz about his stuff. He obviously got passed by a few guys in CLE, and deservedly so.
However, with all the depth the Yankees traded away this is a great starting pitcher depth piece to grab. Maybe he winds up being a swingman type, but the Yankees need all the help they can get in this area right now. And maybe Blake fixes his command issues.
Florial is an exceptional athlete, although the defense of his that I saw was better by reputation than in reality. NY doesn't have enough guys who can non-embarrassingly play CF right now but Florial was out of options and would be tough for him to make the team without injuries.
Against RHP:
LF: Verdugo
CF: Judge
RF: Soto
DH: Stanton
Against LHP:
LF: Stanton
CF: Grisham
RF: Judge
DH: Soto
Verdugo and Grisham are both lefties but Verdugo is much better against RHP (.793 OPS against RHP/609 against LHP in 2023, .807/.665 for his career) and Grisham is better against LHP (.748 to .683 OPS career, .792 to .623 in 2023), so they are essentially in a platoon if everyone is healthy. Grisham is reportedly Bader-level defense in CF, maybe even a bit better, so I figure he and Judge can both shade over some and help Stanton.
So that is five guys for OF/DH, plus Cabrera whose versatility gives him a big in on a roster spot, hopefully he can add some hitting to that at some point.
So the 13 position players who I think would break camp as of now:
C (2): Wells, Trevino
IF (5): Rizzo, Torres, Volpe, LeMahieu, Peraza
IF/OF (1): Cabrera
OF (5): Judge, Soto, Verdugo, Grisham, Stanton
That means Pereira plays every day in AAA to start, Jones in AA or AAA and Dominguez on the way back. Stanton better start the season off hot or he could find himself down to a platoon DH against lefties once our Martian friend is back.
Also my completely uneducated guess is that Roderick Arias will be pushing his way into the infield discussion before the end of the 2025 season (he turns 21 that Sept). Look out Volpe, Roderick comin'.
Against RHP:
LF: Verdugo
CF: Judge
RF: Soto
DH: Stanton
Against LHP:
LF: Stanton
CF: Grisham
RF: Judge
DH: Soto
Verdugo and Grisham are both lefties but Verdugo is much better against RHP (.793 OPS against RHP/609 against LHP in 2023, .807/.665 for his career) and Grisham is better against LHP (.748 to .683 OPS career, .792 to .623 in 2023), so they are essentially in a platoon if everyone is healthy. Grisham is reportedly Bader-level defense in CF, maybe even a bit better, so I figure he and Judge can both shade over some and help Stanton.
So that is five guys for OF/DH, plus Cabrera whose versatility gives him a big in on a roster spot, hopefully he can add some hitting to that at some point.
So the 13 position players who I think would break camp as of now:
C (2): Wells, Trevino
IF (5): Rizzo, Torres, Volpe, LeMahieu, Peraza
IF/OF (1): Cabrera
OF (5): Judge, Soto, Verdugo, Grisham, Stanton
That means Pereira plays every day in AAA to start, Jones in AA or AAA and Dominguez on the way back. Stanton better start the season off hot or he could find himself down to a platoon DH against lefties once our Martian friend is back.
Also my completely uneducated guess is that Roderick Arias will be pushing his way into the infield discussion before the end of the 2025 season (he turns 21 that Sept). Look out Volpe, Roderick comin'.
My one concern about Dominguez is: is it asking too much to expect Dominguez to play in the field and having him throw so soon after surgery. Harper returned quickly but they hid him at DH and first base.Florial is an exceptional athlete, although the defense of his that I saw was better by reputation than in reality. NY doesn't have enough guys who can non-embarrassingly play CF right now but Florial was out of options and would be tough for him to make the team without injuries.
Against RHP:
LF: Verdugo
CF: Judge
RF: Soto
DH: Stanton
Against LHP:
LF: Stanton
CF: Grisham
RF: Judge
DH: Soto
Verdugo and Grisham are both lefties but Verdugo is much better against RHP (.793 OPS against RHP/609 against LHP in 2023, .807/.665 for his career) and Grisham is better against LHP (.748 to .683 OPS career, .792 to .623 in 2023), so they are essentially in a platoon if everyone is healthy. Grisham is reportedly Bader-level defense in CF, maybe even a bit better, so I figure he and Judge can both shade over some and help Stanton.
So that is five guys for OF/DH, plus Cabrera whose versatility gives him a big in on a roster spot, hopefully he can add some hitting to that at some point.
So the 13 position players who I think would break camp as of now:
C (2): Wells, Trevino
IF (5): Rizzo, Torres, Volpe, LeMahieu, Peraza
IF/OF (1): Cabrera
OF (5): Judge, Soto, Verdugo, Grisham, Stanton
That means Pereira plays every day in AAA to start, Jones in AA or AAA and Dominguez on the way back. Stanton better start the season off hot or he could find himself down to a platoon DH against lefties once our Martian friend is back.
Also my completely uneducated guess is that Roderick Arias will be pushing his way into the infield discussion before the end of the 2025 season (he turns 21 that Sept). Look out Volpe, Roderick comin'.
Dominguez is 20 now to Harper's 30 when he had it, the recuperative power of people that age can be remarkable. Anyway he is a big piece here going forward and still so young, I don't think they will take any chances there.
But yes that should hopefully be a nice side effect of adding Soto/Verdugo/Grisham and still having Pereira/Jones, Dominguez can really take his time and get fully right before coming back.
Long time listener, first time caller. I assume the Bauer thing would never happen, given his relationship with Cole, and what he's been accused of. The Yankees whiff on Yamamoto is telling, much like when they couldn't sign Ohtani back in the day. Both would have filled a big hole, but mystique and aura apparently aren't getting it done anymore. Extremely frustrating being a Yankee fan these days (moreso because i live in Massachusetts).
Welcome.
There have been no actual rumors about this, I think that Cashman is happy to have finally moved on from both Chapman and German and is unlikely to go down that road again (Clevinger I think is more possible but still probably not).
Terrible comparison. They pursued Yamamoto as hard as a team could, he just preferred LAD in the end. The same exact thing happened with Cole, LAD and NYY going all out in his FA, and that time Cole preferred NYY.
As for Ohtani the first time, he didn't give any non-West Coast teams a chance, the one exception of the Cubs. NYY went after him as hard as possible (as did basically everyone as he cost a fraction of his value). Short of moving the team to California like the Dodgers and Giants back in the day, there was nothing NY could have done here.
Cashman has been quietly restocking the pitching in the few weeks since the Soto deal was finalized, it will be interesting to keep an eye on these guys. In the last three weeks they have added six guys with major league experience:
Dennis Santana (minor league deal)
Anthony Misiewicz (minor league deal, pitched briefly for NYY last year)
Victor Gonzalez (LAD trade, likely to make the team as a lefty reliever)
Cody Morris (CLE trade, I'm guessing will stretch out in the AAA rotation?)
Duane Underwood Jr (minor league deal)
Nick Burdi (minor league deal)
Odds are most of those won't end up having an impact for NYY next year, but on the other hand Ian Hamilton and Nick Ramirez both signed minor league deals with NYY last winter and then they combined for 98 innings of 2.64 ERA from the bullpen. No surprise that most of those above six guys throw very hard.
Dennis Santana (minor league deal)
Anthony Misiewicz (minor league deal, pitched briefly for NYY last year)
Victor Gonzalez (LAD trade, likely to make the team as a lefty reliever)
Cody Morris (CLE trade, I'm guessing will stretch out in the AAA rotation?)
Duane Underwood Jr (minor league deal)
Nick Burdi (minor league deal)
Odds are most of those won't end up having an impact for NYY next year, but on the other hand Ian Hamilton and Nick Ramirez both signed minor league deals with NYY last winter and then they combined for 98 innings of 2.64 ERA from the bullpen. No surprise that most of those above six guys throw very hard.
These are all fringe roster moves but still pretty entertaining to follow this sequence:
4/1/23: Estevan Florial makes the Yankee Opening Day roster but he is out of options and gets squeezed off a few days into the season. NY DFAs him, no one claims him, he returns to the organization.
9/11/23: Florial gets jumped by Dominguez and Pereira but when Dominguez goes down, Florial is added back to the 40 man, promoted and plays a bunch down the stretch. He stays on the 40 man after the season.
12/1/23: NY claims 26 year old OF Oscar Gonzalez (2 options remaining) on waivers from CLE.
12/27/23: NY trades 26 year old OF Estevan Florial (0 options remaining) for 27 year old RH pitcher Cody Morris (2 options remaining).
4/1/23: Estevan Florial makes the Yankee Opening Day roster but he is out of options and gets squeezed off a few days into the season. NY DFAs him, no one claims him, he returns to the organization.
9/11/23: Florial gets jumped by Dominguez and Pereira but when Dominguez goes down, Florial is added back to the 40 man, promoted and plays a bunch down the stretch. He stays on the 40 man after the season.
12/1/23: NY claims 26 year old OF Oscar Gonzalez (2 options remaining) on waivers from CLE.
12/27/23: NY trades 26 year old OF Estevan Florial (0 options remaining) for 27 year old RH pitcher Cody Morris (2 options remaining).
Haha, Jeez Jon, tell me how you really feel. It's disappointing because i feel the next move is the inevitable overpay for Snell or Montgomery, but its not my money so in the end who cares.
Not sure if we should file this under "in the best shape of his life" or a new category, but Stanton has lost a ton of weight and looks more like the guy he was in Miami.
https://www.reddit.com/r/NYYankees/comments/18whhze/new_pictures_of_giancarlo_stanton_cutting_muscle/
https://www.reddit.com/r/NYYankees/comments/18whhze/new_pictures_of_giancarlo_stanton_cutting_muscle/
Stanton looks good.
I don't know if it will help him play better and/or avoid injuries, but I do appreciate the willingness to try something different and the dedication to get after it.
Can't wait until spring training.
I don't know if it will help him play better and/or avoid injuries, but I do appreciate the willingness to try something different and the dedication to get after it.
Can't wait until spring training.
Yea, it's really hard not to like Stanton. He's done everything he could to compete and there's absolutely no question he cares. This team with a healthy Stanton has a truly top tier offense.
The internet wants to make Snell to the Bronx a thing. I'm on board, especially if it means his personal catcher Gary Sanchez returns! (which obviously won't happen)
I won't get excited by a Snell signing, but certainly hopeful about it. If Blake can help him get that walk rate down a little bit I think he could be awesome in pinstripes.
We know what Monty looks like in pinstripes. Between the two I'd prefer the thrill of the unknown. Monty would be a solid backup plan though.
Edit: I still kind of expect Snell to wind up in SF since the Seattle thing hasn't worked out. Assuming location actually is important to him.
We know what Monty looks like in pinstripes. Between the two I'd prefer the thrill of the unknown. Monty would be a solid backup plan though.
Edit: I still kind of expect Snell to wind up in SF since the Seattle thing hasn't worked out. Assuming location actually is important to him.
Meanwhile, in much smaller news that actually happened, NY got back to 40 on their 40 man for the first time this winter today with two small additions today:
1) Claimed OF Bubba Thompson off waivers. Thompson was a #1 pick in 2017 out of high school and a top 50 MLB prospect in 2019. He is incredibly fast, one of the fastest players in the sport, but hasn't even hit much in AAA. I don't think he'll last too long on their 40 man, they'll maybe try to sneak him through waivers at some point so they can hold onto him without him taking up a 40 man spot, he is still 25.
https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2024/01/yankees-claim-bubba-thompson-from-reds.html
2) Signed Cody Poteet to a major league deal. Poteet is 29 and pitched for the Marlins in 2021 and 2022 before having Tommy John surgery in Aug 2022. He has options remaining and they will likely try to stretch him out in AAA for SP depth.
https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2024/01/yankees-sign-cody-poteet-to-major-league-deal.html
1) Claimed OF Bubba Thompson off waivers. Thompson was a #1 pick in 2017 out of high school and a top 50 MLB prospect in 2019. He is incredibly fast, one of the fastest players in the sport, but hasn't even hit much in AAA. I don't think he'll last too long on their 40 man, they'll maybe try to sneak him through waivers at some point so they can hold onto him without him taking up a 40 man spot, he is still 25.
https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2024/01/yankees-claim-bubba-thompson-from-reds.html
2) Signed Cody Poteet to a major league deal. Poteet is 29 and pitched for the Marlins in 2021 and 2022 before having Tommy John surgery in Aug 2022. He has options remaining and they will likely try to stretch him out in AAA for SP depth.
https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2024/01/yankees-sign-cody-poteet-to-major-league-deal.html
NY gets some good news, Oswald Peraza and Yoendrys Gomez both were possibly out of options, but were awarded an additional option year. Peraza I think will still make the team unless they prefer him to play every day, Gomez can now stretch out in the AAA rotation and try to get some innings under his belt after an injury-riddled career so far.
View: https://twitter.com/Joelsherman1/status/1743289499226878019
View: https://twitter.com/Joelsherman1/status/1743289499226878019
Luis Gil also has an additional option this year, Gil and Gomez being able to stretch out in AAA definitely helps their rotation depth.
https://nypost.com/2024/01/05/sports/yankees-have-critical-extra-option-for-oswald-perza-two-pitchers/
https://nypost.com/2024/01/05/sports/yankees-have-critical-extra-option-for-oswald-perza-two-pitchers/
I wasn't sure why people keep connecting NY to the top FA relievers left, they have been burned somewhat on big money relievers recently and Cashman has been so good at finding cheap ones.
But now I see that all three of Holmes/Loaisiga/Kahnle are FAs after 2024, so then trying to add Jordan Hicks on a multi-year deal (given the ways left for NY to spend money in this market) makes a lot more sense to me. Get it done Brian.
But now I see that all three of Holmes/Loaisiga/Kahnle are FAs after 2024, so then trying to add Jordan Hicks on a multi-year deal (given the ways left for NY to spend money in this market) makes a lot more sense to me. Get it done Brian.
Do we want Stroman? He apparently wants to come to the Yankees and the Yankees have reportedly shown some interest. As I recall, last time he was a free agent he wanted to come to the Yankees and instead ended up with the Mets.
The full extent of the reporting on this has been:
1) Bob Nightengale on Sunday: ""Free-agent starter Marcus Stroman has informed the Yankees he’s seriously interested in signing with them, but the Yankees have declined to make an offer"
2) Bob Nightengale on Monday: "The Yankees and free-agent starter Marcus Stroman continue to have mutual interest, which began in November at the GM meetings, with the Yankees still searching for another front-line starter on the free agent and trade markets."
When you factor in that Boob is always wrong about everything, pretty hard to figure out what that means.
But ignoring all of that, I think I'd be happy with Stroman on a reasonably priced deal, maybe 2/36 with a 3rd year vesting if he pitches 300 innings in the first two. He's irritated a lot of people over the years but NY doesn't have a lot of better options, via FA or trade.