I wouldn't mind Stroman on a cheap and/or short deal. I think he is solid enough at the back of a rotation with good defense in front of him.
2023-24 Yankees Offseason Discussion
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He is a ground ball machine, he only allowed nine HRs last year and just six of those would have gone out in Yankee Stadiun.
Yeah, that's what I was looking at on baseball ref when I mentioned defense. FIP was almost half a point lower too. I think he'd be fine in pinstripes, if healthy. Which is always a concern given that he's a little guy.
Y'all have gone full Mallrats: https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2024/01/yankees-kevin-smith-agree-to-deal.html
Seems like a AAAA guy but mlbtr says he has no options.
Seems like a AAAA guy but mlbtr says he has no options.
Yeah it's a minor league deal, they will likely try to get Jeter Downs off the 40 man at some point and Smith is backup depth if someone claims Downs.
I've been quiet since the Yamamoto deal because I can't put my finger on how I want the Yankees to handle the pitching market but I'm getting much more comfortable with not signing any free agent pitcher to a big contract and going after Stroman + a trade.
Stroman's profile fits and he slots toward the back of the rotation, which is fine. If we can spin a trade for one of the pitchers not named Cease that gets talked about, I think this would make for a damn fine offseason. Let the bullpen work itself out until the deadline.
Separate note, it's shocking to me that people talk about Cease as a pitcher who would require 1-2 top prospects in a trade. He is not a top of the rotation starter.
Stroman's profile fits and he slots toward the back of the rotation, which is fine. If we can spin a trade for one of the pitchers not named Cease that gets talked about, I think this would make for a damn fine offseason. Let the bullpen work itself out until the deadline.
Separate note, it's shocking to me that people talk about Cease as a pitcher who would require 1-2 top prospects in a trade. He is not a top of the rotation starter.
They talk about him like that cause that's what the White Sox have consistently demanded according to multiple reports (actually two top prospects plus a couple more on top). I don't think he's worth it either.
Peraza, Cabrera, Pereira are all on the table unless we think OP is taking over for GT next year.
Cabrera has very little value, not sure who the other two are getting you but I guess we’ll see.
They also will have an infield hole after 2024 if they trade Peraza because I can’t imagine they plan to be the high bidders on Gleyber next winter.
They also will have an infield hole after 2024 if they trade Peraza because I can’t imagine they plan to be the high bidders on Gleyber next winter.
Well, that's what I said regarding GT but I'll take solving a 2b problem over a SP problem if he nets us someone under control.
I wish they could trade Gleyber for a decent return, but if that was an option I think they would have done so already.
I think the time passed for it but I'm surprised a trade never materialized. Free the salary, get something before he's gone, give the kids more playing time...
If they can get him for not that big of a commitment then I am cool with that. He is probably as good as Jordan Montgomery but will cost $150 million less.
Yes, a rib cage cartilage fracture, also why his late season numbers sucked.
He is only 5'7" and probably can't be relied on for more than 140-150 innings, but that is a great fit for what NY needs right now.
Is he becoming a pure reliever?
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Weaver started 3 games in late September for NY, he has no options left and is likely either the 5th SP if NY doesn’t add anyone else or the long guy if they do.
NY needs to clear a 40 man spot for him, I’ll guess Bubba Thompson DFAd.
NY needs to clear a 40 man spot for him, I’ll guess Bubba Thompson DFAd.
We'll see. I'd love him on a good deal, I'd hate him on a long one.
Though, this whole offseason all anyone talks about is how he only pitches the 5th inning, but that doesn't seem to be true at all looking at his game logs. 1 start under 6ip from Aug - Sept. April and July seem to be outlier months where he didn't surpass 5ip all that much. I'm almost ready to say that it's bullshit to think he's a 5ip pitcher.
https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/gl.fcgi?id=snellbl01&t=p&year=2023
Though, this whole offseason all anyone talks about is how he only pitches the 5th inning, but that doesn't seem to be true at all looking at his game logs. 1 start under 6ip from Aug - Sept. April and July seem to be outlier months where he didn't surpass 5ip all that much. I'm almost ready to say that it's bullshit to think he's a 5ip pitcher.
https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/gl.fcgi?id=snellbl01&t=p&year=2023
Looking at Snell's splits is taking a ride on a baseball rollercoaster. He gave up no HR in 6 starts in July (that's good!) but he walked 26 (that's bad!) but he only gave up 2 ER (that's good!) but he only averaged 5.1 IP (that's bad!).
Really funny that there were 2 qualified starters (Kirby and Eflin) that gave up fewer walks all year than Snell did in July.
Really funny that there were 2 qualified starters (Kirby and Eflin) that gave up fewer walks all year than Snell did in July.
Stroman posted an Instagram story of himself in a Yankees uniform about 15 minutes ago.
https://www.instagram.com/stroman?igsh=aGdqcWV4Z3Z3ZnJo
https://www.instagram.com/stroman?igsh=aGdqcWV4Z3Z3ZnJo
I think you're willing to take walks on a pitcher who gives up very few HRs and has super k rates. That said, it basically means anytime his control isn't perfect, it's a combination that means long innings and short games, which explains July. When his walks are down, he basically is a lock to pitch 6. SD only let him throw more than 109 pitches once all season and often cut him off before 100. Not totally unusual (that's how they handled their entire staff). Shockingly, Cole only hit 110 once all season. That's all to say that who knows if he could stretch another inning here and there, especially int he postseason, but I see no reason he can't.
“Source familiar with the situation just told me the Yankees offer was $30M a year, 5 years deal $150M Total money. But Snell rejected because he want more money or one more year.” Mike Rodriguez (@mikedeportes) on X
Curry and Passan also reporting (Curry using Passan as source).
2 years, $37m with a vesting 3rd year.
2 years, $37m with a vesting 3rd year.
[Sherman] The deal is pending a physical. I do not think this precludes the Yankees from still trying to trade for Cease or sign another FA like Snell if prices fall. NYY felt they had to get on the board with another vet starter and did so with Stroman
CWS wants Spencer Jones for Cease, that wasn't happening before Stroman and it definitely isn't happening now. Cease to BAL eventually seems to me like as much of a lock as Soto to NYY was.
NY should still sign Jordan Hicks and then maybe trade a reliever or two for young pre-40 man guys, lean into spending money as they have a lot coming off after 2024 even if they manage to keep Soto. Hicks would be as much a 2025 and beyond move as a 2024 one with all of Holmes/Loaisiga/Kahnle FAs after 2024.
I'm all about spending money now that we're over the highest tier. Hicks is a no brainer given the points about next year. I have no interest in any of the trade options because more than anything, we don't actually need another ace. If you can buy a number 2, great. If you can't, I would prefer to wait it out until the deadline and assess.
I do hope though that we're knocking on Cleveland's door to check in on Clase if Hicks' price is nuts.
Added
Soto
Verdugo
Grisham
Injured players returning
Rizzo
Dominguez
Should be better
Volpe - Sophomore year
Stanton - Still not too old, no reason he can't be better when he plays
Notable substractions
Donaldson
IKF
Also worth mentioning Gleyber is in his contract year. I think we have the makings of a monster offense, not just because of Soto.
Pitching
+Stroman
+Cortes' Return
+Healthy Rodon
-Severino
-German
-King
This will be a very different team next year and other than King, we have lost a lot of somewhat dead weight.
Soto
Verdugo
Grisham
Injured players returning
Rizzo
Dominguez
Should be better
Volpe - Sophomore year
Stanton - Still not too old, no reason he can't be better when he plays
Notable substractions
Donaldson
IKF
Also worth mentioning Gleyber is in his contract year. I think we have the makings of a monster offense, not just because of Soto.
Pitching
+Stroman
+Cortes' Return
+Healthy Rodon
-Severino
-German
-King
This will be a very different team next year and other than King, we have lost a lot of somewhat dead weight.
Also Will Warren, Chase Hampton, maybe Spencer Jones and a full season of Austin Wells in MLB.
Effross also counts as an addition as he missed all of 2023…
NY can't really afford to trade Peraza, he is currently the backup 3B, SS and 2B, and they don't really have much behind him. I believe that he has been available but he should not be any longer.
Pereira could still be moved, although it would be safer to keep him until Dominguez is back or Jones is ready.
Pereira could still be moved, although it would be safer to keep him until Dominguez is back or Jones is ready.
Like last year, I think a lot depends on Rodon this season. If he can stay healthy and perform near to his ability, that pitching staff is going to be great. Aside from health concerns I have for all pitchers, I'm not worried about Cole, Nestor, Stroman or Schmidt performing well relative to expectations. No idea what to think about Rodon.
Can't wait for spring training to start.
Can't wait for spring training to start.
Gio Urshela could cover that role if they need to deal Peraza for rotation help. Probably why there was some chatter about the Yankees talking to him.
He can’t really play SS or even 2B, Cabrera would be a better fit but I think Peraza is staying now.
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Yankees in on Neris. I like it. If they could do Neris and another bullpen piece, that would be great.
Yankees in on Neris. I like it. If they could do Neris and another bullpen piece, that would be great.
NY knows way more about the health of their guys than we do, but they also need option flexibility in a couple of bullpen spots, and Luke Weaver just eliminated one of those. Out of 8 spots, these guys can’t be sent down:
Holmes
Loaisiga
Kahnle
Gonzalez
Weaver
Ian Hamilton, Nick Ramirez, Scott Effross all have options, Gonzalez and Ramirez are the only lefties.
Moved this here...
Gio Urshela seems more likely if NY wants to add someone for this role, especially since the fan base still loves him.