2023-24 Yankees Offseason Discussion
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Man, the Yankee hype machine is so intense. So much of these negotiations are going through the press. Virtually every report has heavily stilted language in the Yankees' favor.
Morosi: "This is going to be a pitching-based move for the Padres...This man Juan Soto, if the Padres want to find a way to save some payroll (and) bring back some young pitching, this is the man they have to move to do it. (King and Thorpe) would give you potentially 40 percent of a rotation if not immediately then some point in time in the 2024 season. That is why those two names — King and Thorpe — are the key ones to watch in the Juan Soto to Bronx blockbuster that could happen today."
Heyman: "The Yankees have a nice collection of young pitchers to make it work, between King, Thorpe, Schmidt, Hampton, Brito and Vasquez (just 2-3 of them of course)"
That package seems underwhelming to me. King is 28 and has two years of control left, just had surgery for a rare elbow injury as a result of overuse, and has only faced 20 batters in an outing five times in his career. Thorpe's fastball sits 89-93 mph.
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By something called the MiLB Awards Show in its inaugural season, which appears to be operated by broadcasters. Not sure how rigorous that is. The Baseball America Pitcher of the Year was Robby Snelling.
King's surgery was a year ago, I think, and he just threw the most innings of his career. He's a pitcher, so still an injury risk for sure.
The package value really does come down to what other teams are offering and years of control. Just going straight off of surplus value, 2 years of Mike King is worth more than 1 year of Soto (at least as currently projected). That trade isn't realistic obviously, given that a trading partner for Soto cares more about actual value than surplus value, the scarcity of Soto, and the Padres' need to spread out risk across multiple cheap pitchers, but 1 year of Soto at $33M is only worth so much in future value.
Per the thread on the main board, Verdugo is a terrible baserunner. He'll fit right in!
Something I haven't fully investigated, but was curious if any of the Sox denizens reading this thread can answer: What was the domestic violence incident with Verdugo? Is he filling the Yankees player I have to vaguely root for despite having a DV incident in his past? Replacing German?
Something I haven't fully investigated, but was curious if any of the Sox denizens reading this thread can answer: What was the domestic violence incident with Verdugo? Is he filling the Yankees player I have to vaguely root for despite having a DV incident in his past? Replacing German?
Wondering about this from the Yankees perspective: If the bidding for Yamamoto gets in the 275-300M range, will the Yankees go there AND work to extend/resign Soto for what Boras is going to want for him?
I mean, we all know they can pay it ... but is the thinking that they will pay it?
I have no idea. However, I do think, these are the people you pay the big money to. 25 year-old elite level talent. And they have enough young players to fill in the gaps I think.
If the Yankees are giving up all this pitching for Soto and are in “win right f@#! now” mode, I don’t see them being outbid for Yamamoto. No half measures, as they say.
Yeah, you get the impression that there is a strong sense of urgency here this offseason. Would be insane for them to bring in Soto AND Yamamoto.
I mean, it was pretty official, 'broadcasters' were the MLB Network, but Snelling was top 3 also. The point remains the same whether he's first or third, Jarrett Seidler says he's a top 50 guy overall and maybe higher:
View: https://twitter.com/jaseidler/status/1732424291533357274
From that twitter thread, "Thorpe's changeup is probably the best offspeed pitch in the entire minor leagues". That, combined with his non-injured success up through AA, probably sums up his value.
Usually when someone says a changeup is great, part of the meaning is that the fastball is mediocre, but still.
Usually when someone says a changeup is great, part of the meaning is that the fastball is mediocre, but still.
He means top 50 of all 2024 draftees, not all MiLB guys though, right? Not sure what you meant.
Edit: nevermind, 2024 draft hasn't happened yet I don't think.
It's not well phrased, but he is part of the team putting together the Baseball Prospectus 101 list for their Annual, so he means the #42 prospect in all of MLB.
Edit: By 'draft', he means it's a work in progress, nothing to do with drafting players.
I was also wondering this. Assuming they woo and ultimately re-sign Soto, which must be their hope, I think they would end up with 5 six-figure players (Cole, Rodon, Yamamoto, Judge, Soto). Of course, any team that can afford it would sign up for at least 3 of those 5 contracts in a heartbeat (Cole, Judge, Soto). Probably the same goes for Yamamoto. And I agree with the following:
He’s going to have a monster year and Boras will be telling teams he should be paid more than Ohtani next offseason.
View: https://twitter.com/bryanhoch/status/1732471137181798752?s=46&t=-M7K07aV9oTvsCKHtZkfZQ
If the Yankees deal off a bunch of depth, I think it is wise to give Montas another shot.
If the Yankees deal off a bunch of depth, I think it is wise to give Montas another shot.
Yankees also getting Grisham?
View: https://twitter.com/joelsherman1/status/1732486709302927808?s=46&t=-M7K07aV9oTvsCKHtZkfZQ
View: https://twitter.com/joelsherman1/status/1732486709302927808?s=46&t=-M7K07aV9oTvsCKHtZkfZQ
Grisham has two years of control, through 2025. His hitting profile translates well to Yankee Stadium:
View: https://twitter.com/jinwook67914146/status/1730748627457568821/photo/1
View: https://twitter.com/jinwook67914146/status/1730748627457568821/photo/1
Getting Soto probably helps them land YY if he wants to land with a team with a chance to win it all. They'd immediately be odds on favorites by far to win the whole thing damnit! Fuck this shit!
He is a guy, from a fantasy baseball perspective, I had a lot of hope for a couple years back. He just hasn't built on what looked like his early promise.
Doesn't mean he can't. He is still in his prime. Outside shot at a 20/20 season.
I don't think Soto and Yamamoto would make the Yankees favorites next season, but assuming a Soto extension/resigning at some point, along with the development of young talent they already have, the Yankees potentially have a young nucleus that could make them very competitive for a while.
Not necessarily more so than a team like Atlanta, but right with them.
Cashman loves 26-27 year olds with big prospect pedigree who haven't clicked on their previous teams, which describes both Verdugo and Grisham, both former 1st round picks who were on lots of top 100 lists, both are 27 now.
Yeah, I like Grisham quite a lot too. He just turned 27 last month. Maybe they can unlock a little more of that potential.
More importantly, like JA just said, this is the kind of stopgap the Yankees need until the Martian is healthy and gets them away from overspending on Bellinger. I'll be really happy if that money goes to Soto/Yamamoto instead.
I think the simplest summary is that during the course of a drunken night, he had an opportunity to stop the date rape of a 17 year-old and didn't.
https://www.nbcboston.com/news/sports/red-sox-alex-verdugo-addresses-assault-allegations-i-wouldve-put-a-stop-to-it-i-wouldve-done-something/2077308/
Think he’s still the utility guy, he can play everywhere, infield and outfield. I wrote down a roster and lineups, but waiting for the deal to finalize first.
Well, he didn't do the sexual assault, but was probably the one who filmed the victim getting beaten shortly beforehand and posted it to Snapchat, per Tito's son. Here's the thread from shortly after the Mookie trade, lots of quotes and parsing thereof. Up to you on the hating him or not. I did and do.
https://sonsofsamhorn.net/index.php?threads/alex-verdugo-new-red-sox-star.29560/