Cheesesteaks vs. Chowdah Part I - The Sixers/Celtics Series Thread
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Eh, Shaq could have been called for a zillion offensive fouls and Embiid does the same backing down move where he's using his size to bump defenders closer and closer to the basket and to me those are really borderline plays. It goes both ways with those big guys: they get hit sometimes but they get away with a lot of crap too. A couple of those calls on Baynes looked nuts to me, Embiid was completely the initiator and Baynes was barely moving. And I get that those get called that way a lot, but spare me the whining that you don't get every single call in your favor when you're getting the benefit of tacky tack shit like that.
Yes, the one Embiid dunk where he got the twitterverse talking about how everyone in the league posterizes Baynes looked to me like it was either an obvious offensive foul (if Baynes were outside the restricted area) or a no call (if Baynes was inside the restricted area) but in no way should it have been an "and one". Foul on Baynes for standing still and getting run over?
Honestly, LS, it was never about this year - I’d have said that if the C’s got swept, and I’ll say it if they sweep. Yes, if the C’s close this out, it’s a nice win for them, but it doesn’t change the fact that both these teams have insanely bright futures and are destined to clash for a decade to come.
I’m a Boston transplant who lives in Fishtown, and I’m careful not to troll my friends and neighbors - because I know the Sixers will get us back one of these years. It’s going to be a wildly-entertaining bloodbath over the coming years.
I’m a Boston transplant who lives in Fishtown, and I’m careful not to troll my friends and neighbors - because I know the Sixers will get us back one of these years. It’s going to be a wildly-entertaining bloodbath over the coming years.
Only 36 men in history played more NBA games than Shaq.
Only 7 men in history played more NBA seasons than Shaq.
Only 25 men in history played more NBA minutes than Shaq.
Step away for the night, enjoy your party.
It's ok I'm outside with my kid.
I don't think it's much of a comment to say superstar big men take a beating that superstar outside players get. Is all I'm saying.
I don't think it's much of a comment to say superstar big men take a beating that superstar outside players get. Is all I'm saying.
Yeah, for years half his game plan was predicated on throwing his elbows around without getting called for it.
Fair enough, it's been a huge turnaround in Sixer land and they had a fantastic regular season/solid playoffs. Getting the 3 seed by running off the last month of the season undefeated was awesome. You did go SoSH 101 with the Fultz trade "made sense at the time" meme to justify a trade. Its used all the time around here, and I don't agree with it. Once you get a year or two worth of data, after a trade, you can start grading it. Since this is a polarizing deal and the results have been so stark all season I'm siding on Danny & Co knowing more than the average SoSH poster, media pundit, and more importantly the Sixers front office at the time.
As far as moving goalposts on win/loss predictions, the 76ers were extremely health dependent. Not a hint of foot/knee issues for Joel or Ben, that was huge. It was a great season for the Sixers, they were a lot of fun to follow this season, tons of drama on/off the court. Sixers off-season success will come down to Paul George or Lebron signing with them, that's the clearest path for them overtaking the Celtics.
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Good catch! It was actually Ojeleye from the corner at around the 3:45 mark and Semi made the shot. Embiid was stretching on the floor, got up, headed to the scorer’s table and on the way put his hand in front of Ojeleye’s face.
Great breakdown of the ATO plays here: https://www.sbnation.com/nba/2018/5/5/17323504/brad-stevens-celtics-timeout-ato-breakdown-video
P.S: Happy belated birthday LS!
P.S: Happy belated birthday LS!
Having everyone (deservedly) tell him he's a giant pussy who can't handle the playoffs for 6 months after he gets swept in a series where his team was massively favored will be punishment enough.
One more: JT is now the only player under 20 to score 20+ points in five playoff games in a row.
edit: also only C rookie to do this. Larry was other rookie with 4.
edit: also only C rookie to do this. Larry was other rookie with 4.
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I agree with that. And I'd be happy to see more fouls called on guys guarding Embiid, as long as he were fine with getting an extra 3-4 offensive fouls called on him per game.
What was the deal with Tatum's orange shoes? Is he a big United Ireland guy?? Very distracting. Made it hard to focus on all that scoring.
I feel like this Sixers need to be warned that if they try that BS again the basket will be awarded and the payer who does it will be ejected.
Same with the fucking confetti. That should have at least been a technical foul.
On the other hand, Semi hit the shot. Maybe Brad should watch video to see exactly what Embiid did and have Yabu or someone do the same thing anytime Semi attempts a corner 3 in front of the Celtics bench.
Do professional athletes have people break in their shoes for them? I need to wear my new shoes like a dozen times before I feel like going all out on a court with them
As long as it's not 3/17 or 7/12, they don't have any significance, right?
Happy 40th LS.
I think that the BB critcism is largely unfair. Sure, there's some due. Mostly he is being unfairly compared to Stevens IMO. Aside from the obvious rust in game one, the Sixers brought effort in every game.
Regarding the Mickey Mouse sideline antics, that has been going on all series. Embiid just got a little closer on that one play. We're not that far away from someone actually making contact, so the league should speak to them.
Sixers youth is showing. Hodgepodge mix of bench players probably isn't helping either. This shit happens. Sixers are going to be good for a long time, I think. Glad for it, really. It brings back some good memories of the 1980s.
So you're saying he's going to be awesomer in The Finals
ed-OMG that packaging on those sneakers.
A technical for a mistaken confetti explosion? Not sure you want officials handing out T's for mistakes by lowly employees of the team/arena
Given the Celtics were playing with a guy with a hamstring injury, that little "mistake" and subsequent 7 minute delay could have been a game changer.
I think the home team should be obliged to provide a playable arena and not interfere with the game, inadvertently or otherwise.
Legit sitting here cracking up over that. Simmons' and Embiid's smiling faces really tie it together.
I used to think playoff experience was overrated. Seeing a team that is led by really young guys absolutely shit their pants like this has capped a turnaround in my thinking.
There have been many obvious mistakes in execution by the sixers in crunch time, but the biggest brainfart that sticks out to me was the play last night in the 4th quarter where Simmons got an offensive rebound up 1 with 17 seconds to go and took a 7 foot hook shot rather than holding the ball. They were going to have to foul and he flipped up a tough shot out of instinct. Yikes!
There have been many obvious mistakes in execution by the sixers in crunch time, but the biggest brainfart that sticks out to me was the play last night in the 4th quarter where Simmons got an offensive rebound up 1 with 17 seconds to go and took a 7 foot hook shot rather than holding the ball. They were going to have to foul and he flipped up a tough shot out of instinct. Yikes!
Don’t get me wrong — I love the in-depth discussions we have here, and I think advanced stats bring a lot to the discussion. But sometimes, we overthink things.
The object of the game of basketball is to throw the ball through the hoop. The Sixers are down 3-0 because they haven’t been very good at doing this.
They were 8th in the league this season in TS% and 3P%, but their only elite shooter is Redick. The scheme guys that racked up those regular-season stats have, not surprisingly, come up small in their first action against playoff-caliber competition. (The Heat don’t count.)
The Sixers have cap space. They need to add an elite shooter who can create his own shot. Maybe PG13 or Klay.
The object of the game of basketball is to throw the ball through the hoop. The Sixers are down 3-0 because they haven’t been very good at doing this.
They were 8th in the league this season in TS% and 3P%, but their only elite shooter is Redick. The scheme guys that racked up those regular-season stats have, not surprisingly, come up small in their first action against playoff-caliber competition. (The Heat don’t count.)
The Sixers have cap space. They need to add an elite shooter who can create his own shot. Maybe PG13 or Klay.
Sure, but they’re going to lose Redick in the process. Or they’re going to miss out on all the big players and overpay for someone like Redick or Smart. Maybe another big one year deal as a bridge.
Some Sixers fans comments.
"Every good play by Tatum was like a slap in the face to me. I had to watch Paul Pierce kick our ass for 15 years after we didn't draft him, and now I have to watch Tatum make us look like fools. Face it fans, the Celtics are a better run organization and once again make us look like amateurs. Can't the Sixers ever get it right? We even gave the Celts a pick! Oh, the shame and the pain!"
"Danny Ainge would have drafted Tatum with the first pick. That's the real sin. The Sixers got played in a way they never would have in the Hinkie era. This a superstar driven league as evidenced by the predictable Final 4. The 76ers gave the Celtics a chance at 2 superstars for a player who may make Evan Turner look like a Hall of Famer in comparison."
"We can't use the "young" excuse bc Boston is the youngest team in the nba and jazz are 2nd youngest and they both look prepared, players develop quickly, and their players are heady. I've never heard Snyder and Stevens talk about growing one specific player in a playoff series or praise individual guys. BB was the right coach when we were ranking but now we need a real coach for play calling and making guys accountable"
http://www.nbcsports.com/philadelphia/76ers/ben-simmons-learning-he-has-lot-growing-do-hard-way
"Every good play by Tatum was like a slap in the face to me. I had to watch Paul Pierce kick our ass for 15 years after we didn't draft him, and now I have to watch Tatum make us look like fools. Face it fans, the Celtics are a better run organization and once again make us look like amateurs. Can't the Sixers ever get it right? We even gave the Celts a pick! Oh, the shame and the pain!"
"Danny Ainge would have drafted Tatum with the first pick. That's the real sin. The Sixers got played in a way they never would have in the Hinkie era. This a superstar driven league as evidenced by the predictable Final 4. The 76ers gave the Celtics a chance at 2 superstars for a player who may make Evan Turner look like a Hall of Famer in comparison."
"We can't use the "young" excuse bc Boston is the youngest team in the nba and jazz are 2nd youngest and they both look prepared, players develop quickly, and their players are heady. I've never heard Snyder and Stevens talk about growing one specific player in a playoff series or praise individual guys. BB was the right coach when we were ranking but now we need a real coach for play calling and making guys accountable"
http://www.nbcsports.com/philadelphia/76ers/ben-simmons-learning-he-has-lot-growing-do-hard-way
Which makes it even worse, because they weren't in the bonus. He wouldn't have to shoot FTs it would be side out and they could put 4 guys shooting over 85% from the line on the floor with any inbounder to make sure a good FT shooter got it and burn clock. It was just an exceptionally stupid decision.
Really? Hinkie may have been good at accumulating draft picks, but he wasn't that good at using them. He was just another GM who passed on Giannis and took MCW instead. Later he traded MCW away for nothing-- which is about what he was worth.
None of his second rounders--or players he selected with his second rounders-- amounted to anything. We're talking about guys like Pierre Jackson, Nate Wolters and Royce White. I suppose part of this can be excused by the fact that Hinkie wasn't trying to acquire good players, he was trying to acquire bad players to lose enough to acquire lottery picks.
He traded Jrue Holiday for Nerlins Noel. Meh. Later Colangelo traded him away for Justin Anderson and the corpse of Andrew Bogut.
He did better in 2014, drafting Embiid and Elfrid Payton, then trading Payton for Saric. But they had to wait two years for Embiid (who is still fragile) and a year for Saric.
In 2015 he drafted Okafor (a bust) but also Willy Hernangomez-- who he promptly traded away for nothing.
Colangelo is the one who drafted Simmons-- I guess after trading away MCW they craved another tall point guard who can't shoot-- and Fultz, a shooting guard who apparently can't shoot.
Hinkie's transaction history is here: https://www.basketball-reference.com/executives/hinkisa99x.html
How far do you want to take this silly exercise though? Fan runs on to court - technical foul? Floor gets wet because of melting ice underneath - technical foul? We could go on and on.
IMO, you can't punish the team and the players by issuing a techical because some meathead hit the "release the confetti" button by accident.
The Process wasn't a bad strategy but we are seeing some of its obvious drawbacks:
1) Acquiring draft picks via tanking obviously means that you're passing on free agency. Not a bad move when so many free agent contracts are disastrous. But that also means that you're cutting yourself out of the opportunity to take advantage of those rare times when a quality free agent does test the market (e.g. Horford). Also merits mentioning that winning teams are probably going to be more successful in a competitive bidding situation. I will say that the Sixers made a good sign with Redick and they may have even been fortunate to get him.
2) If you can't lock in a free agent before your own guys are up for bigger contracts, then your over-the-cap flexibility is limited. We in Boston have been pretty spoiled with Ainge who has been very good at managing his cap space. All this is moot if Lebron James or another top flight FA (Cousins?) signs with Philadelphia, but the odds seem long on that right now.
3) All the attention (positive/negative) to the Process brings added pressure to your young players and I don't think it has been constructive for them. Simmons seems particularly affected.
1) Acquiring draft picks via tanking obviously means that you're passing on free agency. Not a bad move when so many free agent contracts are disastrous. But that also means that you're cutting yourself out of the opportunity to take advantage of those rare times when a quality free agent does test the market (e.g. Horford). Also merits mentioning that winning teams are probably going to be more successful in a competitive bidding situation. I will say that the Sixers made a good sign with Redick and they may have even been fortunate to get him.
2) If you can't lock in a free agent before your own guys are up for bigger contracts, then your over-the-cap flexibility is limited. We in Boston have been pretty spoiled with Ainge who has been very good at managing his cap space. All this is moot if Lebron James or another top flight FA (Cousins?) signs with Philadelphia, but the odds seem long on that right now.
3) All the attention (positive/negative) to the Process brings added pressure to your young players and I don't think it has been constructive for them. Simmons seems particularly affected.
Some of thoughts. I agree with the Sixers fan that Hinkie wouldn't have made the trade, his whole thing was that the draft is unpredictable and more top picks is better, so a potential top 5 pick for a 2 spot move up would not be his style.
His draft record is decent just like most GMs.
You also mischaracterised some trades, Jrue got them Noel and a pick, he turned the pick into Saric and another pick which ended up moved for the 2019 SAC pick and swap rights that gave them the 3 instead of 5. Great trade.
MCW wasn't traded for nothing he was traded for this year's Lakers pick another amazing trade
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I'm surprised the league has never done anything about this. Justin Anderson shot off the bench when Rozier was hitting a three in the second quarter(the play Larkin passed out to the corner from the paint on the fast break)
Not picking on Philly, every team including the Celtics does this crap. If you're not in the game you shouldn't be allowed to close out, close in I guess?, on a shooter. Stay on the bench.