Klutch already sold out to UTA. Paul has hedged most of his risk
So two things on this...
Good point in regards to the "salary match".
Doesn’t that also suggest DARKO is flawed as a measure of players’ isolated impact?
He should be valued as a young player honestly... once a draft pick is used the player shouldn't be valued according to the pick, he's then just valued as the player he is. Picks are picks, players are players. Jaime Jaquez is not "the equivalent of the #18" or "equivalent of a 1st" because.... he isn't on the same scale anymore, a pick is a completely different asset type that is evaluated completely differently (as it should be) than players.
Well... kind of? I think the answer would be that DARKO attempts to predict performance based on priors. And so if you were predicting the performance of Aaron Gordon, it's not purely about his talent, it's how he is using that talent (which is where Jokic shows a big impact), but yeah as many threads have hashed out, none of the all-in-ones can truly capture everything they want to, in part because basketball isn't baseball and your teammates and role have a major impact and you can only adjust so muc.
CD said it well. I'd add that while all of the all-in-one metrics attempt to regress for teammates and opponents and such, they have varying degrees of success. It's hard shit to unpack. DARKO does it much better than most (remember the RPM Wars around here?). But yeah Aaron Gordon is a much better player since he met Jokic.
Someone had to say it. A players predictive value (or impact) on one team is dependent on many factors and often differs so it should remain fluid. Football is probably the greatest team sport example of this but it is very true in basketball as well.
It doesn't claim otherwise. It was built to predict fantasy points. Not some abstract notion of their worth as a player. If we use it for the latter, then to the extent that they diverge, the fault is ours.
Got it, thanks. I thought its aim was more to disentangle a player’s impact from that of their floormates.
I guess Bowiac would be the one to chime in here, but the DPM metric specifically is supposed to measure their "worth" as a player, the caveat being it is strictly forward looking, but the notion of "worth" is exactly the same as the one other all in one metrics use, namely how many marginal points per 100 possessions does this player add to a lineup he is in.
DPM does aim to disentangle player impact from teammates, the problem is the methods to do that can only go so far when teammates time on the floor is so correlated.
Yeah, the DARKO graph tells us what we already know: fit matters a lot, especially for role players. Gordon and KCP went from being on lousy teams to being on a very good one, while Barton and Morris went from being on a very good team to lousy teams. On the lousy teams, the role players struggle to get open looks because they lack good creators, and are often playing on poorly coached, young and inexperienced teams. On the good team those same players get much better looks, and play for a more disciplined, experienced team.
True. That's why I worry a bit less about top heavy teams (aside from injury). If you are consistently rolling out 3 top 50 types in every 5 man lineup, the actual degree of difficulty for the other 2 players to perform their role drops. Every really good player on the floor makes the job easier for the other 4. But even with all that said, Jokic is still a bit of an outlier. It's rare to have an offensive hub possess the ball for so little time. Compare him with Luka, for example. Luka sucks up all the oxygen in an offense, whereas Jokic takes very little and yet contributes similar offensive value.
not particularly for a number of reasons
Good points. That's the reason why the Celtics bench shouldn't worry us in the least (aside from injury).
This is basically the rationale Miami tried on the Blazers ("Herro is the equivalent of two first round picks! So we're really giving you four first round picks!") rationale. Ignored that Herro wasn't really a fit on the team, and that Portland couldn't apparently find someone who ACTUALLY wanted to give up two first round picks for Herro, because Miami was the only team that seemed to value him that way.
What stumps me about Kornet is that based on his first few years, he -was- able to provide 3PT shooting, but it seems to have fallen off in recent years as he was asked to become more of a surprise rim-runner/pick and roll. Was there anything about his mechanics after those few years, or is it just a function of the role he's being asked to play now?
I believe it was a role change, but I'd love to see him work on the corner 3 to drag BIGs out there (he had some sort of NCAA/3pt record for Centers)
Yeah, I totally buy both of those caveats. I wouldn't expect anywhere near that kind of drop from Jrue (who's obviously a much better player than Monte Morris, and miles better than Will Barton, who's barely an NBA player at this point). But the Giannis factor was one of the things that concerned me about his fit on the Warriors when a couple of posters here were trying to sell me on him. In particular, his inability/disinclination to put pressure on the rim (2.9 fta per 36 last season) seemed like much less of an issue alongside Giannis than it would be alongside Steph, Klay, and Draymond. But I think it's also much less of an issue on the Cs with the Jays and KP in place.
Is it really Kornet's rebounding issue if he's boxing out properly and others aren't corralling the ball? I admit to having problems distinguishing between whether Kornet is playing his role appropriately and others aren't, when they're ALL role players scrambling without a set plan.
What will decide who gets the 7-13 minutes ultimately will be which of the first group makes shots and which of the latter credibly defends. I think we'll see some from all of them the first half of the season.
He was getting moved around a little too easily, while not grabbing 50/50 balls which had Scal concerned.
The NBA has had a domestic abuse problem for years. I wish I had confidence that they would handle this the right way, but I really don’t.
What is the right way to handle domestic abuse? The NBA doesn't seem to be any worse than the other major sports in this regard when it comes to rich 20-something year old athletes. They all should be looking to improve.
Don't think too similar to Kemba and his degenerative arthritis, at least from what's been reported.
Langford being terrible is pretty much confirmed at this point. Romeo's first few seasons here (age 19-21) people were optimistic that he could grow into a defensive role player next to the JAYs. Grant worked out extremely well at #22 that year in the draft. Popcorn in a pan
Is the B2B protocol an option for PCL, or is usually a hamstring or cadaver graft? I'd assume that affects timeline if the former isn't an option.
You have to be one of the best defenders in the league and/or a Rondo-like distributor if you are a 6'4" wing whose 3-point shooting percentage starts with a 2.
I honestly don’t know what they typically use for PCL reconstructions most often these days. Maybe DRS does.
Funny you should say this because Romeo has a better career 3P% than this guy, whose best attribute is apparently that he's 2 inches taller than Romeo: https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/s/stevela01.html.
break out the ping pong paddles for Lamar
Nesmith's agent earned that commish.
