The Future of Alex Cora in Boston

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1-10 at home against the Rockies, Pirates, Cards, and Reds feels like an indictment of your team's quality.
Cora's failings as a manager are currently on full display in front of a home crowd vs a bad NL team (and it's a trend now - thanks @DeadlySplitter). This is not a playoff team or even a fringe one. At one point I thought the bullpen would be strength which would help support a developing starting pitching cast and a strong offense. Now what? if Cora can't inspire the team to pull it together, then he should go.
 

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I 'm not sure running into Pirates at wrong time, two blown saves in less than 24 hours from Jansen, etc. are really Cora's fault.

Cora's saying "the roster's the roster" for a reason.
 

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Cora's failings as a manager are currently on full display in front of a home crowd vs a bad NL team (and it's a trend now - thanks @DeadlySplitter). This is not a playoff team or even a fringe one. At one point I thought the bullpen would be strength which would help support a developing starting pitching cast and a strong offense. Now what? if Cora can't inspire the team to pull it together, then he should go.
The bullpen and pitching has been fine. Its the offense that has fallen off a cliff the last month.
View: https://twitter.com/gfstarr1/status/1668803550766411776?s=46
 

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When you keep running into teams at the “wrong time”, perhaps it’s a reflection of your own team.

Look at the guys who pitched for the Sox today; they are relying on failed starters and waiver wire fodder to get big outs late in games. This team just isn’t going to win a lot of games when they aren’t scoring runs, no matter who is managing.
 

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I honestly don't care if they fire Cora or not at this point. The team isn't performing. But Chaim Bloom sure as hell ought to go with him. Or go without him. This is Bloom's team, and he needs to own the fact that it's been a failure 3 out of 4 seasons, with the one good season looking like a fluke.
 

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Not sure what people expect from Cora. This isn’t a well constructed roster and they are in the toughest division in baseball.
If anyone’s going to be fired, it should be Bloom
 

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The bullpen and pitching has been fine. Its the offense that has fallen off a cliff the last month.
I didn't phrase my comments well. Bullpen and offense were strong in April / early May and starting pitching was not there early. Now we have the opposite - Starters are going well, but timely hitting is MIA. Plus we have had a few notable blown saves (Kenley x 2 vs STL and TB, and whatever just happened vs COL). And the defense has been awful all season.

So let me ask this: to what extent is the coaching staff a reflection of the manager? Because the coaches are in the best position to help iron out hitting and defense woes, and to advise on bullpen usage. And FWIW, I am not a Bloom fan at all. So I would agree it should be a package deal - if Cora goes, then so should Bloom.
 

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I 'm not sure running into Pirates at wrong time, two blown saves in less than 24 hours from Jansen, etc. are really Cora's fault.

Cora's saying "the roster's the roster" for a reason.
Also, the pirates are still in first place in their division, so they're an interesting team to include on a list that's supposed to be an indictment
 

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Tonight was Cora's weaknesses on full display.
Mystifying bullpen moves - check. (Why not give Garza the clean 9th inning and Martin the 10th with a runner rather than the opposite) Too much stock in "handedness" - check. (Not pinch hitting Refsnyder in the 10th was inexcusable)
Lack of fundamentals - check. (Two runners
thrown out at the plate, Rafi inexplicably playing off the line with two on and none out in the 10th)
This team is a mess.
 

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Comparing fanbases is silly, but it's the height of silliness to compare the Giants fans to Red Sox fans. Giants fans, by and large, have wonderful weather year-round and low to no expectations in sports. Boston fans don't have either, even if they should on the second score (like this year, when a team that looked like a last place team on paper is still generating hand-wringing and second-guessing a guy who is trying to get through the season without his clubhouse imploding).
But it's cold in San Francisco. Mark Twain said the coldest winter he ever spent was a summer in San Francisco. What you're referring to could be true in San Diego, although it's been cooler than normal all spring there. May gray, June gloom been happening. I think there's something to what you say about the weather affecting fans. If it's so good that you could go to the beach 300 days out of the year, maybe you never become a rabid fan.
 

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I didn't phrase my comments well. Bullpen and offense were strong in April / early May and starting pitching was not there early. Now we have the opposite - Starters are going well, but timely hitting is MIA. Plus we have had a few notable blown saves (Kenley x 2 vs STL and TB, and whatever just happened vs COL). And the defense has been awful all season.

So let me ask this: to what extent is the coaching staff a reflection of the manager? Because the coaches are in the best position to help iron out hitting and defense woes, and to advise on bullpen usage. And FWIW, I am not a Bloom fan at all. So I would agree it should be a package deal - if Cora goes, then so should Bloom.
If Bloom or Cora goes, who are their replacements? Is there anyone on Cora's staff who you trust even as an interim manager? Fatse? Bush? Personally I think those two should follow Cora out the door when he gets replaced eventually. Over the long haul, are there any good candidates just sitting out there a la Bruce Bochy last year? I would have been in favor of canning Cora last year and hiring Bochy but that ship has sailed unfortunately. Oh DeMarlo Hale where have you gone? A lonely nation turns its eyes towards you!
 

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Not exactly a shitty team either. If the standard is that a team can't lose to anyone but "juggernauts" then there isn't a good team in the league. The Rays have lost two straight to the A's. Break'em up!
The Rays just ran into the A’s when they were hot- nothing you can do, right?

Sox have played mediocre ball against all kinds of teams, I’m not sure that we can really read too much into it, it’s what mediocre teams do. But scottyno calling the Pirates a “first place team” is pretty rich, as I recall him railing against anyone who called the Sox a last place time a year ago.
 

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The Rays just ran into the A’s when they were hot- nothing you can do, right?

Sox have played mediocre ball against all kinds of teams, I’m not sure that we can really read too much into it, it’s what mediocre teams do.
Agreed. The Sox are a mediocre team. A lot of teams are. Most in fact. Every team loses 60+ games every year. Stands to reason they'll lose some they ought to have won (and won some they ought to have lost). Not a ton to be gained by scrutinizing individual games or series too closely.
 

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If Bloom or Cora goes, who are their replacements? Is there anyone on Cora's staff who you trust even as an interim manager? Fatse? Bush? Personally I think those two should follow Cora out the door when he gets replaced eventually. Over the long haul, are there any good candidates just sitting out there a la Bruce Bochy last year? I would have been in favor of canning Cora last year and hiring Bochy but that ship has sailed unfortunately. Oh DeMarlo Hale where have you gone? A lonely nation turns its eyes towards you!
Unfortunately I agree with you completely on the coaching staff. In fact I posted about Fatse taking over beginning of last year and not thinking he had the chops for it. The pitching development of some of our younger starters has been very encouraging, and the Paxton miracle is just that (knock on wood). So if anything I would want to have a close look at Bush as to whether he could be retained.

I agree it is not an easy in season change. But I would think about some of the coaching staff in the lower levels of the organisation, and scour the manager ranks for turn over at the end of the season.

I wish I had an easy answer, because I have this nagging bile in my stomach for the management of my favorite team that has grown over the past 2 years.

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Tonight was Cora's weaknesses on full display.
Mystifying bullpen moves - check. (Why not give Garza the clean 9th inning and Martin the 10th with a runner rather than the opposite) Too much stock in "handedness" - check. (Not pinch hitting Refsnyder in the 10th was inexcusable)
Lack of fundamentals - check. (Two runners
thrown out at the plate, Rafi inexplicably playing off the line with two on and none out in the 10th)
This team is a mess.
I'm not a Cora fan, but the bullpen move wasn't really mistifying. You are trying to win the game in the 9th, and you had your best hitters coming up - no reason to save Martin for an inning that might happen.

I missed the first out at home, but Reyes out at home on a contact play is solid fundamentals - most teams run the contact play there because it puts the pressure on the defense and if you are out at home you still have a guy on third.
 

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Is it possible that Cora is trying to send a message to the FO by using the guys they got him in the situations where he should?
This is what I keep thinking when questioning some of his moves. Even still, I'd like to see the FO fire both Cora and Bloom. Not happening, but something needs to be done to fix things - and it's not signing Ohtani to a 10 year $600M contract in the off-season. I understand people are having to play out of position due to injuries and those same injuries are weakening our offense and pitching, so it's hard to blame Cora (and even Bloom), but it's frustrating to see us look like the Bad News Bears so often.
 

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You can't blame the manager for poor roster construction. There was no cohesiveness to what Bloom put together for 2023. Guys like Turner, Kluber, Duvall and Jansen on 1 and 2 year deals but then not getting anybody to play 2B or SS? It's truly as if the mandate was play .500 ball until Mayer gets called up and then go for it. If that was truly the mandate, it's puzzling why they couldn't get under the luxury cap last year. Each grouping of transactions is inconsistent and/or incomplete.

What's more likely to me is that there is no plan and Bloom is just a decidedly mediocre President of Baseball Ops.
 

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You can't blame the manager for poor roster construction. There was no cohesiveness to what Bloom put together for 2023. Guys like Turner, Kluber, Duvall and Jansen on 1 and 2 year deals but then not getting anybody to play 2B or SS? It's truly as if the mandate was play .500 ball until Mayer gets called up and then go for it. If that was truly the mandate, it's puzzling why they couldn't get under the luxury cap last year. Each grouping of transactions is inconsistent and/or incomplete.

What's more likely to me is that there is no plan and Bloom is just a decidedly mediocre President of Baseball Ops.
They had Story for SS and Kike for 2B. Then Story got hurt. At that point, who would you have gotten?
 

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You can't blame the manager for poor roster construction. There was no cohesiveness to what Bloom put together for 2023. Guys like Turner, Kluber, Duvall and Jansen on 1 and 2 year deals but then not getting anybody to play 2B or SS? It's truly as if the mandate was play .500 ball until Mayer gets called up and then go for it. If that was truly the mandate, it's puzzling why they couldn't get under the luxury cap last year. Each grouping of transactions is inconsistent and/or incomplete.

What's more likely to me is that there is no plan and Bloom is just a decidedly mediocre President of Baseball Ops.
I don't think the plan (until Mayer) was to play .500 but it's to not hamstring the team with shitty long term contracts... which most of the available players to plug in to help the team are looking like.
 

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They had Story for SS and Kike for 2B. Then Story got hurt. At that point, who would you have gotten?
Story’s surgery was in January right? I may be misremembering. They had time to get a real 2B. Or a stopgap SS. Bloom choose not to. Which is fine, that’s his right. But it hasn’t gone well.
 

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Story’s surgery was in January right? I may be misremembering. They had time to get a real 2B. Or a stopgap SS. Bloom choose not to. Which is fine, that’s his right. But it hasn’t gone well.
They did get a stopgap SS. Two of them, in fact. One is still recovering form an injury at much slower pace than anticipated by just about everybody. Maybe you could have looked at Mondesi's history and say they should not have been surprised. OK. But they also signed Yu Chang, who was doing a solid job, defensively anyway, and them he suffered an unforeseeable fluke injury.

The highest ranked MI on the board at that point was Jean Segura, who I wanted them to sign. He's hitting 188/255/323, and can't play SS.

I just don't know what the great option was once Story went down.
 

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They did get a stopgap SS. Two of them, in fact. One is still recovering form an injury at much slower pace than anticipated by just about everybody. Maybe you could have looked at Mondesi's history and say they should not have been surprised. OK. But they also signed Yu Chang, who was doing a solid job, defensively anyway, and them he suffered an unforeseeable fluke injury.

The highest ranked MI on the board at that point was Jean Segura, who I wanted them to sign. He's hitting 188/255/323, and can't play SS.

I just don't know what the great option was once Story went down.
I’ve been yapping on here for months that they should have signed a real 2B. That’s where I think Bloom flopped.
 

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I’ve been yapping on here for months that they should have signed a real 2B. That’s where I think Bloom flopped.
Kike was/is a real 2B. All of his problems at SS were with throws.

The best free agent 2B on the board, at the start of the offseason, was the aforementioned Jean Segura.
 

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They had Story for SS and Kike for 2B. Then Story got hurt. At that point, who would you have gotten?
San Diego had/has 5 middle infielders. Miguel Rojas was available for trade, rumor was Joey Wendle was available for trade. Moreover, the discussion around these parts were that they needed an additional middle infielder over and above Story and Kike.
 

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I’ve been yapping on here for months that they should have signed a real 2B. That’s where I think Bloom flopped.
They needed another middle infielder and two top of the rotation starters (of which Eovaldi would have qualified). Instead Bloom constructed a mildly interesting but very flawed team for $220+ million.
 

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San Diego had/has 5 middle infielders. Miguel Rojas was available for trade, rumor was Joey Wendle was available for trade. Moreover, the discussion around these parts were that they needed an additional middle infielder over and above Story and Kike.
Miguel Rojas is hitting 209/239/246. Would you rather they have given up a real prospect for one year of him (as the Dodgers did) instead of signing Yu Chang to a one year deal?
 

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I liked the Mondesi move, still do honestly. But there is no way they should have counted on him for anything this year.
 

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Miguel Rojas is hitting 209/239/246. Would you rather they have given up a real prospect for one year of him (as the Dodgers did) instead of signing Yu Chang to a one year deal?
Not to pick on you, but I can’t stand the “so and so is hitting badly now, so thank God we didn’t sign him!” Stuff that gets trotted out here every day.

The same people say there was no way we could have seen JD’s resurgence coming, so good on Bloom for not resigning him. Either this season matters or it doesn’t.

Personally, I believe that every situation is different and you can’t apply one to another. Maybe if X was here he’d be crushing the ball? Who knows.
 

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Not to pick on you, but I can’t stand the “so and so is hitting badly now, so thank God we didn’t sign him!” Stuff that gets trotted out here every day.

The same people say there was no way we could have seen JD’s resurgence coming, so good on Bloom for not resigning him. Either this season matters or it doesn’t.

Personally, I believe that every situation is different and you can’t apply one to another. Maybe if X was here he’d be crushing the ball? Who knows.
I'm not taking this as being picked on. It's a fair point. But in this case, Rojas's ZIPS projection was 248/294/347. For a team that needed some things to break right to contend, signing Chang was a better move than giving up value for a year of Rojas. FOr the Dodgers, who were a rung and a half above the Sox on contention ladder, I get paying the premium.
 

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I'm not taking this as being picked on. It's a fair point. But in this case, Rojas's ZIPS projection was 248/294/347. For a team that needed some things to break right to contend, signing Chang was a better move than giving up value for a year of Rojas. FOr the Dodgers, who were a rung and a half above the Sox on contention ladder, I get paying the premium.
I get it. Honestly some of my discontent may be because I’m not nearly as sold on the various predictive metric systems that others are really bought into. I think there’s a lot more to evaluating acquisitions that those numbers.
 

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I get it. Honestly some of my discontent may be because I’m not nearly as sold on the various predictive metric systems that others are really bought into. I think there’s a lot more to evaluating acquisitions that those numbers.
Sure. But any way you slice it, Rojas was unlikely to be an even decent offensive player. He's 34 years old with a 262/314/369 line over his past 5 years.
 

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For who? McGuire with two out and no one on? Refsnyder's hitting .143 against RHP, by the way
There were two out and Duran was on base as the tying run. A single would have tied the game.
Refsnyder hit .270 against righties last year in a larger sample size. His career 84 OPS+ against righties is similar to McGuire career 87 OPS+ against everybody. Who do you trust more?
 

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I'm not a Cora fan, but the bullpen move wasn't really mistifying. You are trying to win the game in the 9th, and you had your best hitters coming up - no reason to save Martin for an inning that might happen.

I missed the first out at home, but Reyes out at home on a contact play is solid fundamentals - most teams run the contact play there because it puts the pressure on the defense and if you are out at home you still have a guy on third.
True, but if there's a choice of Garza or Martin getting a clean inning to start (no ghost runner), I want Garza for that inning.
 

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I think the real issue with Cora is what he actually he brings to the table.

Cora's supposedly good with player motivation, which, in theory, creates hungrier yet looser players who will excel in the friendly environment created by Cora. In service of that environment, Cora takes a very predictable player-focused approach with scheduling, clear roles (insofar as they can be made clear), and deflection of player criticism in the media. Maybe he also has heart-to-hearts and bakes them cookies. (Seriously - I have no idea, but I'm willing for the sake of argument to credit that he's doing behind-the-scenes stuff.)

I have no doubt players like Cora and his approach, and I have no doubt he's probably an easy manager to play for, who can inspire some personal loyalty by having the players' backs. But does this result in any kind of net gain for the club?

I think there's very little evidence it does. In Cora's tenure, we've been just as likely (if not more likely) to see individual player performances plateau or trend down rather than trend up. (In fairness, I'm inclined to view the pitchers as more of a mixed bag (individual results wise) than hitting/fielding, with some real successes.)

When this lack of individual player improvement is combined with Cora's year-long philosophy and particular in-game choices, the result is very very meh. For example, if Cora's player-centric approach actually resulted in marked individual improvement (like the Rays) or cohesive synergistic teams (like the Rays), dropping a game or two because you're using a travel-day lineup is the price to pay for the gain. But where's the improvement? Where's the gain?

Just to be clear, I don't think Cora is a complete disaster. At the club-level, if he has a talent-heavy team (2018) he's good at long-term managing - the glitches and travel-day lineups don't hurt, as it really does average out. Plus he's shown he can manage competently in the post season.

However, if he has a more average-talent team, he's exposed in showing a remarkable lack of instinct for the moment - the ability to squeeze out a crucial win here or there. He's much more likely to maintain to his pre-arranged pattern of scheduled off-days. And, in keeping with that, not to pinch-hit or pinch run (although, this year he has changed in that regard, which is a good sign.) You can call it player-friendly, you can call it predictable, you can even call it a disciplined long-term strategy, but by nature that approach is simply not adaptive or opportunistic.

I'm sure Cora has protected individual players and motivated them. (In particular, I think of Duran - somebody like Valentine might have driven him out of baseball.) But despite that, Cora also keeps seeming to lead unmotivated and unfocused teams. For example, the 2019 team was, to use a word, coddled, with Cora constantly saying it was just a matter of time till they went on a hot streak. Again, it's that "will work out in the long run" view - until time runs out and it does not. (The times where he does get pressed, he tends to not show that kind of creative game management and rotation of players at the micro level - he'll go to his "chosen" guys overmuch. Barnes, Vazquez, etc.)

Now some outside factors (2018 to 19 hangover, 2022 strike, 2023 WBC) are not Cora's fault. However, I think that really goes to illustrate the fact that Cora simply does not have that fantasy motivational touch that people like to imagine he does. Or certainly not to the extent people believe it matters. Why? Other teams have faced the same issues and were ready for their seasons. Cora's teams. . .not so much.

The exceptions are 2018 and 2021. They are also the years without major off-season distractions. So, I'd concede that under ideal conditions, maybe he's an excellent motivator who can prep a club for the season. But that's really not saying much. If that's his big skill, why couldn't he leverage it to the club's advantage more than half the time? What about Cora's skill leaves it vulnerable to something like the 2022 shortened spring training when other teams, with lesser-communicators/motivators were not vulnerable?



(As a final PS, I'd note that sometimes the personal loyalty some fans have to Cora tends to invite absurd argumentation - such as the players being unfocused in spite of Cora's clearly superior abilities in that area. Meaning that because Cora must have a "+" motivational skill in play, it follows the players must be, collectively, an abnormally large group of "-" motivated individuals. Because if they weren't, they'd be playing better. What rotten luck for Alex.)
 
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There were two out and Duran was on base as the tying run. A single would have tied the game.
Refsnyder hit .270 against righties last year in a larger sample size. His career 84 OPS+ against righties is similar to McGuire career 87 OPS+ against everybody. Who do you trust more?
Honestly, it's a coin flip
 

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Honestly, it's a coin flip
They've both been a bit cold lately and neither has a high average this year against RHP. With Reyes up (also weak against RHP) you want someone who can hopefully single in the runner instead of just taking a walk.

Wong was also on the bench. https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.fcgi?id=wongco01&year=2023&t=b#plato

Maybe he has a nagging injury or something, but absent that he's the clear choice. It equally likely it was simply Wong's night off, and McGuire might have felt bad or something if Cora showed no confidence in McGuire by PHing for him.

This is Cora.
 

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Honestly, it's a coin flip
I think any pinch hitting situation is usually a coin flip in terms of whether it's successful or not. As a whole across MLB, pinch hitters this season (1424 instances so far) are hitting .211/.301/.335/.636. While sending a better hitter (on paper) up as a pinch hitter is generally a good bet, I don't think it actually increases the chances of a productive plate appearance by all that much.
 

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I'm not a Cora fan, but the bullpen move wasn't really mistifying. You are trying to win the game in the 9th, and you had your best hitters coming up - no reason to save Martin for an inning that might happen.

I missed the first out at home, but Reyes out at home on a contact play is solid fundamentals - most teams run the contact play there because it puts the pressure on the defense and if you are out at home you still have a guy on third.
This is exactly right. Martin was the correct choice because you don’t save your best pitcher for a theoretical inning that may never happen. The highest leverage was the 9th inning in a tie game.
 

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I think the real issue with Cora is what he actually he brings to the table.

Cora's supposedly good with player motivation, which, in theory, creates hungrier yet looser players who will excel in the friendly environment created by Cora. In service of that environment, Cora takes a very predictable player-focused approach with scheduling, clear roles (insofar as they can be made clear), and deflection of player criticism in the media. Maybe he also has heart-to-hearts and bakes them cookies. (Seriously - I have no idea, but I'm willing for the sake of argument to credit that he's doing behind-the-scenes stuff.)

I have no doubt players like Cora and his approach, and I have no doubt he's probably an easy manager to play for, who can inspire some personal loyalty by having the players' backs. But does this result in any kind of net gain for the club?

I think there's very little evidence it does. In Cora's tenure, we've been just as likely (if not more likely) to see individual player performances plateau or trend down rather than trend up. (In fairness, I'm inclined to view the pitchers as more of a mixed bag (individual results wise) than hitting/fielding, with some real successes.)

When this lack of individual player improvement is combined with Cora's year-long philosophy and particular in-game choices, the result is very very meh. For example, if Cora's player-centric approach actually resulted in marked individual improvement (like the Rays) or cohesive synergistic teams (like the Rays), dropping a game or two because you're using a travel-day lineup is the price to pay for the gain. But where's the improvement? Where's the gain?

Just to be clear, I don't think Cora is a complete disaster. At the club-level, if he has a talent-heavy team (2018) he's good at long-term managing - the glitches and travel-day lineups don't hurt, as it really does average out. Plus he's shown he can manage competently in the post season.

However, if he has a more average-talent team, he's exposed in showing a remarkable lack of instinct for the moment - the ability to squeeze out a crucial win here or there. He's much more likely to maintain to his pre-arranged pattern of scheduled off-days. And, in keeping with that, not to pinch-hit or pinch run (although, this year he has changed in that regard, which is a good sign.) You can call it player-friendly, you can call it predictable, you can even call it a disciplined long-term strategy, but by nature that approach is simply not adaptive or opportunistic.

I'm sure Cora has protected individual players and motivated them. (In particular, I think of Duran - somebody like Valentine might have driven him out of baseball.) But despite that, Cora also keeps seeming to lead unmotivated and unfocused teams. For example, the 2019 team was, to use a word, coddled, with Cora constantly saying it was just a matter of time till they went on a hot streak. Again, it's that "will work out in the long run" view - until time runs out and it does not. (The times where he does get pressed, he tends to not show that kind of creative game management and rotation of players at the micro level - he'll go to his "chosen" guys overmuch. Barnes, Vazquez, etc.)

Now some outside factors (2018 to 19 hangover, 2022 strike, 2023 WBC) are not Cora's fault. However, I think that really goes to illustrate the fact that Cora simply does not have that fantasy motivational touch that people like to imagine he does. Or certainly not to the extent people believe it matters. Why? Other teams have faced the same issues and were ready for their seasons. Cora's teams. . .not so much.

The exceptions are 2018 and 2021. They are also the years without major off-season distractions. So, I'd concede that under ideal conditions, maybe he's an excellent motivator who can prep a club for the season. But that's really not saying much. If that's his big skill, why couldn't he leverage it to the club's advantage more than half the time? What about Cora's skill leaves it vulnerable to something like the 2022 shortened spring training when other teams, with lesser-communicators/motivators were not vulnerable?



(As a final PS, I'd note that sometimes the personal loyalty some fans have to Cora tends to invite absurd argumentation - such as the players being unfocused in spite of Cora's clearly superior abilities in that area. Meaning that because Cora must have a "+" motivational skill in play, it follows the players must be, collectively, an abnormally large group of "-" motivated individuals. Because if they weren't, they'd be playing better. What rotten luck for Alex.)
perfect. Thank you.

Also….. Cora saying to the media “this is the roster, etc…” doesn’t really even say “players manager” to me. A players manager wouldn’t throw the roster (who are the actual players) under the bus. We all assumed he’s taking a shot a Bloom (sure, he indeed was) but shouldn’t a fucking “players manager” just look at what he’s got and show his 100% support? I’ve played on bad teams andthe best coach, despite our garbage play, continued to try and rally us and let us know he believed in us. That Cora quote was basically telling the team they’re not as good as other teams.
 

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Devers not starting tonight? Is he hitting too many homers lately? I don't get Cora's line of thought.
 

Rovin Romine

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Cora gives guys regular days off whether they are hot or cold. And they won anyway.
They won yesterday, making them 1 out of 3 against the abysmal Rockies. The night before they lost with Duran on second - McGuire hit against a RHP instead of Wong - because it was Wong's day off.

And that's the issue with Cora. He often has no feel for the moment in winable games.
 

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Also….. Cora saying to the media “this is the roster, etc…” doesn’t really even say “players manager” to me.
My impression (I watch probably a handful of pressers a year) is that Cora often seems to only accept responsibility after blaming the players. In a soft, round-about way, but still blaming the players.
 

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They won yesterday, making them 1 out of 3 against the abysmal Rockies. The night before they lost with Duran on second - McGuire hit against a RHP instead of Wong - because it was Wong's day off.

And that's the issue with Cora. He often has no feel for the moment in winable games.
Didn’t Francona do the same thing when he had given a guy a day off?