UFC/MMA in 2016
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This was probably my favorite part of the card, a quote from Conor McGregor:
"So January 18th, I feel I will stop Dennis Siver inside two minutes. I've ran through some scenarios, I cannot see him escaping the first two minutes. He is a seasoned veteran, he is a kickboxing expert, a taekwondo expert, he is my most experienced competitor that I will ever have faced. But I feel that under two minutes it will take me to dispatch him, and again it will make way for the football stadium in Ireland."
The dude is hilarious. Aldo will break him, though, right? ....RIGHT?!
"So January 18th, I feel I will stop Dennis Siver inside two minutes. I've ran through some scenarios, I cannot see him escaping the first two minutes. He is a seasoned veteran, he is a kickboxing expert, a taekwondo expert, he is my most experienced competitor that I will ever have faced. But I feel that under two minutes it will take me to dispatch him, and again it will make way for the football stadium in Ireland."
The dude is hilarious. Aldo will break him, though, right? ....RIGHT?!
Pxer said:
I think Aldo beats McGregor, but I wouldn't be surprised if McGregor caught him with a good shot and put him out. However, they're definitely protecting Conor so far as he still hasn't faced any decent wrestlers. I'm interested to see how far his ground game has come over the past 2 years. He should take Siver, but I'm pretty sure he gets beat by either Aldo or Edgar.
Cowboy Cerrone replacing Eddie Alvarez on the Boston card to face off against Benson Henderson. I might try to make that; I love Cerrone.
Yes, it's the 18th. No, that's not normal. He was (I assume) cleared medically to fight again, but it's still ridiculous to take on Benson Henderson with that short of a camp. He's crazy. He's had nine fights since January of 2013.
He had a couple fights on short notice early in his career, but not coming off a fight that went the distance and not taking on a guy like Benson. Since he joined the WEC, the least amount of days in between fights for him was 51 days back in February of 2011. He's had a bunch of fights in the 70-90 day period. This will be 15 days in between fights.
Right now that is being listed as an early prelim fight, which is confusing. Can anyone explain why this fight would be an early prelim fight?
He had a couple fights on short notice early in his career, but not coming off a fight that went the distance and not taking on a guy like Benson. Since he joined the WEC, the least amount of days in between fights for him was 51 days back in February of 2011. He's had a bunch of fights in the 70-90 day period. This will be 15 days in between fights.
Right now that is being listed as an early prelim fight, which is confusing. Can anyone explain why this fight would be an early prelim fight?
Zomp said:
Its an insanely quick turnaround, but Cowboy is always pushing to fight as often as possible. Most fighters like about 3 Months between fights to give them a few weeks to rest/heal up and then a 6-8 week fight camp.
The only other UFC fighter to have this kind of turnaround (at least since the early tournament days) is Chris Leben who fought Submitted Akiyama 2 weeks after knocking out Aaron Simpson.
I'm a big Cerrone fan, but this is a crazy dangerous fight for him. He's currently 3rd in line for the title shot behind RDA and Khabib. Benson has beaten him twice in the WEC and is exactly the type of fighter he struggles with as he'll be the one pressing Cowboy. You've got to wonder if Dana told him his ranking isn't in jeopardy as a reward for taking this important fight on short notice.
It really depends on how much weight he has to cut between fights. He seems like the kind of guy who walks around always in shape so as long as he's not doing drastic cuts, I don't see too much of an issue with the turn around given that Jury didn't really touch him.
In the amateurs you fight every week over 3-4 week periods, so fighters are used to this sort of thing and if you don't take any damage there's really not an issue.
Good for him, a true fighter.
In the amateurs you fight every week over 3-4 week periods, so fighters are used to this sort of thing and if you don't take any damage there's really not an issue.
Good for him, a true fighter.
Found another one on Sherdog. Chas Skelly fought on August 23 and then September 5 in 2014. 13 days separating the fights. He submitted his first opponent halfway through the first round, though, and he won the second fight by unanimous decision.
According to Wikipedia, that's the shortest amount of time in between fights in modern day UFC.
According to Wikipedia, that's the shortest amount of time in between fights in modern day UFC.
UFC returning to Montreal April 25 for UFC 186 PPV.
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Hendricks/Lawler III & Rory MacDonald/Hector Lombard anyone?
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Hendricks/Lawler III & Rory MacDonald/Hector Lombard anyone?
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UFC Fight Night Boston kicks off this weekend. It's on Sunday night, but Monday's a holiday so we get to stay up late to watch it!
The weigh-ins kick the weekend off at 4PM Saturday on Fox Sports 1 (set the DVR; McGregor is worth watching).
Here's the card:
MAIN CARD
FOX Sports 1, 10 p.m. ET
Conor McGregor vs. Dennis Siver
Donald Cerrone vs. Benson Henderson
Uriah Hall vs. Ron Stallings
Norman Parke vs. Gleison Tibau
PRELIMINARY CARD
FOX Sports 1, 7 p.m. ET
Cathal Pendred vs. Sean Spencer
John Howard vs. Lorenz Larkin
Zhang Lipeng vs. Chris Wade
Patrick Holohan vs. Shane Howell
Johnny Case vs. Frankie Perez
Charles Rosa vs. Sean Soriano
PRELIMINARY CARD
UFC Fight Pass, 6 p.m. ET
Sean O'Connell vs. Matt Van Buren
Tateki Matsuda vs. Joby Sanchez
If you're a casual fan, there are two very interesting fights. The co-main event features Donald Cerrone, who is in the midst of an impressive winning streak and title run. He plowed through up-and-coming lightweight contender Myles Jury just two weeks ago. He's the betting underdog to former champ Benson Henderson, who is looking to re-establish himself as a top contender. This should be an entertaining fight.
The main event is a showcase for the UFC's reigning top trash-talk artist, Conor McGregor. The Ireland native has backed up his talk by running over his competition in the UFC. Many are saying he hasn't really been tested and Sunday's bout is another easy task for the up-and-comer. His opponent, Dennis Siver is a Germanic-Russian who, at 36, is on the back end of his career. He has been a solid fighter in the 145-pound featherweight division, and has a strong background in many martial arts disciplines.
McGregor has been essentially promised a title fight against dominant champion Jose Aldo with a victory. This is likely to happen in the spring if all goes according to plan, with the bout expected to pack out Croke Park in Dublin with 90,000 rumored capacity for MMA. McGregor has helped put MMA on the map in Ireland, and the whole nation is behind him. If they could actually sell out 90,000 seats that would mean nearly 1 out of every 50 Ireland residents attended the bout. The American equivalent to that would be an event that drew over 6 million people. The nation is truly crazy about this guy if the reports are true.
McGregor has already said he expects to knock out Siver within two minutes. His head coach has gone even further, saying he doesn't see any scenarios where Siver lasts longer than a minute in The Octagon with The Notorious Conor McGregor. Buckle up.
The weigh-ins kick the weekend off at 4PM Saturday on Fox Sports 1 (set the DVR; McGregor is worth watching).
Here's the card:
MAIN CARD
FOX Sports 1, 10 p.m. ET
Conor McGregor vs. Dennis Siver
Donald Cerrone vs. Benson Henderson
Uriah Hall vs. Ron Stallings
Norman Parke vs. Gleison Tibau
PRELIMINARY CARD
FOX Sports 1, 7 p.m. ET
Cathal Pendred vs. Sean Spencer
John Howard vs. Lorenz Larkin
Zhang Lipeng vs. Chris Wade
Patrick Holohan vs. Shane Howell
Johnny Case vs. Frankie Perez
Charles Rosa vs. Sean Soriano
PRELIMINARY CARD
UFC Fight Pass, 6 p.m. ET
Sean O'Connell vs. Matt Van Buren
Tateki Matsuda vs. Joby Sanchez
If you're a casual fan, there are two very interesting fights. The co-main event features Donald Cerrone, who is in the midst of an impressive winning streak and title run. He plowed through up-and-coming lightweight contender Myles Jury just two weeks ago. He's the betting underdog to former champ Benson Henderson, who is looking to re-establish himself as a top contender. This should be an entertaining fight.
The main event is a showcase for the UFC's reigning top trash-talk artist, Conor McGregor. The Ireland native has backed up his talk by running over his competition in the UFC. Many are saying he hasn't really been tested and Sunday's bout is another easy task for the up-and-comer. His opponent, Dennis Siver is a Germanic-Russian who, at 36, is on the back end of his career. He has been a solid fighter in the 145-pound featherweight division, and has a strong background in many martial arts disciplines.
McGregor has been essentially promised a title fight against dominant champion Jose Aldo with a victory. This is likely to happen in the spring if all goes according to plan, with the bout expected to pack out Croke Park in Dublin with 90,000 rumored capacity for MMA. McGregor has helped put MMA on the map in Ireland, and the whole nation is behind him. If they could actually sell out 90,000 seats that would mean nearly 1 out of every 50 Ireland residents attended the bout. The American equivalent to that would be an event that drew over 6 million people. The nation is truly crazy about this guy if the reports are true.
McGregor has already said he expects to knock out Siver within two minutes. His head coach has gone even further, saying he doesn't see any scenarios where Siver lasts longer than a minute in The Octagon with The Notorious Conor McGregor. Buckle up.
Super bummed that Ronaldo Jacare Souza (pneumonia) is out of his fight with Yoel Romero from UFC 184 in Feb. Was really looking forward to that one.
I think Bendo took that one. He has a much more versatile arsenal than Cowboy. Fun fight to watch either way.
edit- they gave it to Cerrone 29-28 UD. I'm a little surprised since Bendo delivered more damage in rounds 2 and 3, but Cerrone had a takedown in round 2, I guess that swayed it.
edit- they gave it to Cerrone 29-28 UD. I'm a little surprised since Bendo delivered more damage in rounds 2 and 3, but Cerrone had a takedown in round 2, I guess that swayed it.
Hard to tell too much from CM. He was up against a perfect opponent. Looking forward to the Aldo fight.
That was fucking crazy. I can't even imagine what Dublin will be like. I can;t get enough of McGregor's striking
Bendo-Cerrone was disappointing. It was close, but neither fought with urgency. I wasn't going to be surprised by any decision.
The Pendred decision was a fucking joke. How can that stuff happen?
Bendo-Cerrone was disappointing. It was close, but neither fought with urgency. I wasn't going to be surprised by any decision.
The Pendred decision was a fucking joke. How can that stuff happen?
Aldo/McGregor to take place May 23rd in LAS VEGAS
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Marciano490 said:
Just to follow up on this, Siver did just about everything wrong, so it was very hard to tell what CM can and can't do.
First, when you're fighting someone who is precociously relaxed, you can't let them dictate flow. Siver needed to do something to disrupt CM's timing and comfort and he did little to nothing of that. Instead of working off angles to mitigate power and length, he let CM reach his arms out to the side a bit, and effectively box him in. That's one of the reasons the straight left was there all night. Also, while Siver did a decent job of moving away from the left hand, he went straight back when attacked instead of making a J, which allowed him to continue to be cut. Further, he never slid his read hand in front of his face, which allowed CM to continue to catch him flush with that punch even when Siver's guard was up and high.
He also should've crouched a bit more. Doing so a bit allowed him to avoid CM's high kicks without having to reach, but he still left himself fist level for punches. Standing up straight against a taller opponent is stupid. I don't think there's much Siver could've done to win, but the fact that his strategy and coaching was so poor makes it really hard to evaluate CM for this first time viewer.
Good. Why should McGregor have the benefit of a title fight at home as a challenger? If he wants a fight in Ireland he should grab the belt first.mikeford said:
Dana said the production value in an Irish Stadium would be cost prohibitive. Blah.
Big (free on FOX!) Main Event Saturday. Top LHW contenders Alexander Gustafsson & Anthony Johnson square off. Winner should have a title shot against Jon Jones.
Johnny Hendricks has been scheduled in a fight against Matt Brown on the March 14 UFC 185 card (Pettis v. dos Anjos headliner) in a bit of a departure from the rumored Hendricks Lawler re-rematch. That one should be a doozy!
Big (free on FOX!) Main Event Saturday. Top LHW contenders Alexander Gustafsson & Anthony Johnson square off. Winner should have a title shot against Jon Jones.
Johnny Hendricks has been scheduled in a fight against Matt Brown on the March 14 UFC 185 card (Pettis v. dos Anjos headliner) in a bit of a departure from the rumored Hendricks Lawler re-rematch. That one should be a doozy!
Quick but good fight. Man, Johnson throws to kill. That second to last punch made me cringe.
Another big test for Jones, still like Jones though.
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Not impressed Alex
Another big test for Jones, still like Jones though.
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Not impressed Alex
This is why I still can't take the UFC seriously. It's amateur shit to look straight down when you're ducking under punches. Gufstafsson gets in a little bit of trouble, bends at the waist, looks straight down, catches an uppercut and it's game over.
Seriously, you'd see better striking at a regional Gold Gloves.
Seriously, you'd see better striking at a regional Gold Gloves.
When boxing starts including the threat of kicks and takedowns you let us know. A lot easier to maintain form when you know where strikes are coming from.Marciano490 said:
Cool. Because bending at the waist and looking straight down would be effective against knees and kicks, too.
These guys are great athletes, and I respect the sport, and I can't say they're jacks of all trades and masters of none, because some are great wrestlers or great at judo or jiu jitsu, but it's just sloppy watching almost all fighters strike outside of Diaz and a select few others.
These guys are great athletes, and I respect the sport, and I can't say they're jacks of all trades and masters of none, because some are great wrestlers or great at judo or jiu jitsu, but it's just sloppy watching almost all fighters strike outside of Diaz and a select few others.
No. It's not. It's really not at all.
If anyone here has any fighting experience and would like to explain why bending at the waist with your head facing straight down makes sense in the UFC I'm all ears, but the whole "you're just a boxer, they kick" counter is unavailing."
Like I said, I respect these guys. I trained with these guys. They're great athletes. But, it's impossible to find time to train every discipline, and most of these guys don't have great striking defense.
I like AG, I was excited for the fight. It was disappointing seeing a marquee event end with a top ranked fighter ducking and losing his cool like a frat boy outside a bar.
If anyone here has any fighting experience and would like to explain why bending at the waist with your head facing straight down makes sense in the UFC I'm all ears, but the whole "you're just a boxer, they kick" counter is unavailing."
Like I said, I respect these guys. I trained with these guys. They're great athletes. But, it's impossible to find time to train every discipline, and most of these guys don't have great striking defense.
I like AG, I was excited for the fight. It was disappointing seeing a marquee event end with a top ranked fighter ducking and losing his cool like a frat boy outside a bar.
I understand where you are coming from and agree that striking isn't as tight as in boxing, but Gus was probably on Cloud City after that first overhand right. I imagine he wanted to go for a takedown, which a lot of guys go to when in trouble, but he wasn't all there enough to execute. He was in trouble in the Jones fight but didn't crumble as bad.
edit- another thing to think about: Gus has long arms, if his hand is touching the ground and Johnson kicks him in the head, it's an illegal strike. So in that position, kicks upstairs are basically irrelevant. When John Dodson rattled Demetrious Johnson, Johnson stood along the fence bent over at the waist with his hand on the ground to recover. Dodson got a warning for a knee, and Johnson recovered to win the fight. I should say that was in a clinch though.
I'm glad to see Rumble get his shit figured out, because he has a lot of tools, and is a very good striker. I thought he was going to flame out because of weight issues but he's been on a tear at 205. Interesting that it will be another Jones vs. Blackzilians fight.
edit- another thing to think about: Gus has long arms, if his hand is touching the ground and Johnson kicks him in the head, it's an illegal strike. So in that position, kicks upstairs are basically irrelevant. When John Dodson rattled Demetrious Johnson, Johnson stood along the fence bent over at the waist with his hand on the ground to recover. Dodson got a warning for a knee, and Johnson recovered to win the fight. I should say that was in a clinch though.
I'm glad to see Rumble get his shit figured out, because he has a lot of tools, and is a very good striker. I thought he was going to flame out because of weight issues but he's been on a tear at 205. Interesting that it will be another Jones vs. Blackzilians fight.
What part of the fight are you talking about. What is the time? Is it after Rumble lands the overhand right just after the eye poke?Marciano490 said:
And this is a reason to not take the sport seriously? This is the same reason I don't take the imperfect boxing argument seriously. It's just one of many useful disciplines. And I feel similarly about other disciplines too.Marciano490 said:
I'll rewatch the fight and get you the exact time and sequence. But, yeah, if the number one contender gets rocked and starts flailing around like a rank amateur it makes me take the sport less seriously. If the best QBs looked like Geno Smith every time they faced a four man rush and scrambled aimlessly, threw a pick or turtled wouldn't it take some luster off NFL games?
Marciano, do you believe the best fighters in the world fight MMA? More specifically UFC? If not, where? I watch UFC because, to me, these are the most dangerous men in the world. I like watching the different styles that fighters bring and see how they match up. If there is a better product out there, please let me know.
205 is the glamour division but it's been pretty overhyped since Jones has almost completely cleaned it out. Jones is awesome but we have to start thinking about how good the division is. I'd say 155 and 170 are better and 135, 185 and 145 could be argued as better. I don't think anyone at 205 outside of Jones is as good all around as say, Frankie Edgar or Gilbert Melendez, top 5 guys in their divisions but on the outside looking in title-wise.
What do you mean by best fighters? If Floyd fought the UFC champ in his division tomorrow obviously the UFC champ wins. If Floyd trained mma I think he could be champ there.
It's like this: a decathalete is probably a better athlete than a sprinter, but I'd rather watch Bolt run than someone else be pretty damn awesome in ten events. The UFC fighters are insanely talented across a lot of disciplines, but I don't know enough about wrestling or jiu jitsu to appreciate what they do in clinches, so for me the striking aspect is the most intriguing, and when they're on their feet I find most UFC fighters have the same skill level as a midlevel amateur boxer.
I'd still rather watch a great boxing match than mma fight, but that's me.
It's like this: a decathalete is probably a better athlete than a sprinter, but I'd rather watch Bolt run than someone else be pretty damn awesome in ten events. The UFC fighters are insanely talented across a lot of disciplines, but I don't know enough about wrestling or jiu jitsu to appreciate what they do in clinches, so for me the striking aspect is the most intriguing, and when they're on their feet I find most UFC fighters have the same skill level as a midlevel amateur boxer.
I'd still rather watch a great boxing match than mma fight, but that's me.
Marciano490 said:
So because he's the number one contender he should be able to absorb an overhand from probably the hardest hitter in the sport without being dazed? You know they're not wearing airbags on their fists right?
Marciano490 said:
You mean now, at 37 YO? No he couldn't, that's absurd.
Now you're being obtuse, if not outright insulting. If you don't know that knockouts aren't caused by the hardness of the striking surface, I don't know why you're participating in a debate about fighting. Also, if you think boxing gloves are "pillows" because they weigh 1/4 to less than 1/2 of a pound more than UFC gloves, well, I can meet you up and educate you on just how soft they are. Definitely not pillowlike, though they may put you to sleep.
Look, I was being as deferential as possible, because I do respect UFC guys, but all three fights on that card ended on goofy looping overhands that never would've landed on a decent boxer. A decent boxer would know to block those or counter with a short jab or quick cross down the pike. Seriously, name one fight where a pro boxer gets knocked out with a punch that absurd.
And, yes, I would expect a top contender to know what to do when they're in deep shit. Boxers get hurt all the time. They clinch, they turtle, they don't look down and their shoes and bend from the waist.
Plus, I think you know I meant if Floyd trained MMA from the start, not if he began now as a 37 year old. But, hey, I guess all these supreme fighters and athletes are so dedicated to the MMA lifestyle that they'd rather make 10's of thousands fighting for Dana White than 10s of millions like Floyd, Manny, etc. Or maybe they just can't hang.
Look, I was being as deferential as possible, because I do respect UFC guys, but all three fights on that card ended on goofy looping overhands that never would've landed on a decent boxer. A decent boxer would know to block those or counter with a short jab or quick cross down the pike. Seriously, name one fight where a pro boxer gets knocked out with a punch that absurd.
And, yes, I would expect a top contender to know what to do when they're in deep shit. Boxers get hurt all the time. They clinch, they turtle, they don't look down and their shoes and bend from the waist.
Plus, I think you know I meant if Floyd trained MMA from the start, not if he began now as a 37 year old. But, hey, I guess all these supreme fighters and athletes are so dedicated to the MMA lifestyle that they'd rather make 10's of thousands fighting for Dana White than 10s of millions like Floyd, Manny, etc. Or maybe they just can't hang.