Week 10
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I thought if the offense substitutes, the defense can take their time to get their guys on. Why did Buffalo rush on?
Lutz has been a good kicker for a long time. The wind at that end of the stadium is nutz
don’t know about not going for seven. They could have lost on a fg or missed the fg as we saw.
Buffalo special teams had to rush on the field too. I can see how it happened.
Why did they have to rush on? Doesn’t the ref hold up the snap to allow the D to substitute?
They had called two timeouts in the last three plays, and everyone knew a FGA was coming on fourth down.
This wasn’t subbing out defensive personnel groupings based on down/distance and offensive substitutions, they knew they were putting FG block out there several plays in advance.
As a person who isn’t rooting for either team, that end was pretty entertaining. In a haha way.
No. Definitely not the percentage play. If they threw some impossible fade or something on 3rd down they would have been kicking the FG with less than 20 seconds left. Kick takes off five. Squib kickoff for another five. Most the Bills have is two plays. It was too clever by half.
Jets over Bills
Raiders over Fish
Black Friday game is for first place in AFC East
alternatively,
Pats bench Mac, win out and win East
BB quashes all SoSH haterz and people stop saying “The Patriot Way means Tom Brady was really good at football”
Raiders over Fish
Black Friday game is for first place in AFC East
alternatively,
Pats bench Mac, win out and win East
BB quashes all SoSH haterz and people stop saying “The Patriot Way means Tom Brady was really good at football”
Since the Pats season is in the toilet it would be good to get a thread on this, with all the good analysis (not coming from me!) as to why this is the case and how to fix it. Feels like the 90s NBA or something when everyone knew the product had been diminished. That turned out OK.
The part with the refs having to get the kicking ball on to the field was pretty interesting. They did it well, but that could have been a mess if someone bobbles the ball or drops it.
Yup. It’s a game where huge dudes run at each other and collide at high speed. And there’s a weirdly shaped ball, and the most ludicrous scoring rules.
It’s big and fast and dumb and stupendously entertaining.
Right, which is another reason they should have spiked it on the last play before the kick
Meanwhile, when's the last time there were two crucial penalties in the final minute like that that helped decide the game ... and there's no controversy about either call
Interesting you bring this up because I thought earlier that watching the oline guys racing tonight for kicking formation was really great
So, can you spike the ball if the clock is not running before the snap? I think maybe it is intentional grounding. There is an exception from the grounding rule if you spike to save time, but if the clock is already stopped? Legitimately don’t know.
Don’t you have to be under pressure to ground it? Need our rules bro because I do not really know.
I think they’d just roll out the QB in shotgun to throw it OOB if they wanted to approximate a spike while killing clock. You could run 5-6 seconds on this play, too, which would ensure the Bills get one, not two, desperation plays if you get the FG. They’d probably have like 10-11 seconds left after a made FG.
I think I’d err on the side of doing that given the improbability of Buffalo scoring with ten seconds left and no TO, the risk of dealing with a running clock with all that could go wrong (K ball swap, increased risk of a presnap penalty or rushed kick), plus the shakiness of the operation to that point in the game. But what Payton did isn’t absurd - 21-22 seconds is a LOT of time to get the FG lined up (teams can reliably execute the change at 12 seconds or more), and I think the officiating crew is all over the ball swap given that the whole stadium knew for several plays a FGA was coming.
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Nice. Bills fans can't be too happy with a team that has lost to the Broncos, the Jets, and the Patriots.
Dunno. There is an express exception in the grounding rule for spiking but maybe you are right that you don’t need an exception with no pressure.
This should be right up your alley
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No matter what happens the rest of the season, the Giants are not getting rid of Daboll. And if the Raiders finish strong, I could see them keeping Pierce, since they already owe so much to ex-coaches and made that mistake before when they dumped Bisaccia.
But you could add Washington to that list.
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The Bills are trying to out-suck the Pats to a better draft pick, and they own the tie -breaker against us.
To the "unwatchable" point, with which I agree, *close* is all the NFL cares about. The Pats-Colts game was "burn the tapes" bad, but it was close.
I think the league has correctly concluded that its core fans dont care about objective "quality" as much as they do "close/even our shit-tastic team playing like shit has a chance to win."
Look at NE. If the QB play had been merely "well-formed log" shitty instead of "call your doctor" shitty, theyd be in the hunt. Now, *we* would know that in any objective sense, they still suck, but the league is unconcerned about having four 8-8 teams battling for a playoff spots in week 17.
I think the Bills talent on offense kind of sucks. Diggs is obviously an elite WR but outside of him what do they have. Gabe Davis seems like the ultimate boom-or-bust receiver. He's either invisible or goes off. Then what? Shakir? Deonte Hardy? Cook and the ancient Murray are OK at RB but the team doesn't really commit to the ground game. The TE's are meh.
Put another way, if you take Diggs out, which skill group (at full health) would you prefer, Buffalo's or NE's? I think it's closer than you might think.
Put another way, if you take Diggs out, which skill group (at full health) would you prefer, Buffalo's or NE's? I think it's closer than you might think.
Been saying for a bit that the Bills window was closing (or had already closed), and feeling even more confident in that right now.
It's too bad Mac sucks because the AFC East is kind of wide open, as the saying goes.
It's too bad Mac sucks because the AFC East is kind of wide open, as the saying goes.
Kincaid is having a good year for a rookie tight end and has a chance to be very good over next few years. But the contract they gave Knox…ouch. We can thank Bill for screwing up the TE market and forcing the Bills to give him 4/$53
Not to go OT but "Mac sucks" could just as easily be "The offense is broken" ... and perhaps should be. But I agree, and again, I do think that was part of Bill's thinking going in to this year.
The Bills are 5-5, 2-5 against the AFC, and 1-2 in the division. They have upcoming games against NYJ (who beat them), PHI, KC, DAL, and MIA.
They are a very strong candidate to miss the playoffs entirely. They really thought that with the demise of the Pats they had a lock on the division for the foreseeable future, and right now they are in jeopardy of missing the playoffs.
They really peaked with 47-17. That was their SB given they threw the gratutious TD to an OL to extend the lead to 37 in the 4th quarter, and since then they have done absolutely nothing of note. 13 seconds was the very next week, one of the most impressive choke jobs in NFL history. Coach Hardo is a fraud (and I've been saying that for years) who cannot turn this around and I cannot fucking wait for the recriminations to cascade throughout that franchise and fanbase.
They are a very strong candidate to miss the playoffs entirely. They really thought that with the demise of the Pats they had a lock on the division for the foreseeable future, and right now they are in jeopardy of missing the playoffs.
They really peaked with 47-17. That was their SB given they threw the gratutious TD to an OL to extend the lead to 37 in the 4th quarter, and since then they have done absolutely nothing of note. 13 seconds was the very next week, one of the most impressive choke jobs in NFL history. Coach Hardo is a fraud (and I've been saying that for years) who cannot turn this around and I cannot fucking wait for the recriminations to cascade throughout that franchise and fanbase.