2015 Dolphins: Fire the Lazor!
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TT can be rescinded I believe, and if other team signs him they don't have to give up compensation. Dolphins do have right to match though.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transition_tag
EDIT:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transition_tag
The transition tag is interesting. It seems like Clay wants to test the FA market and see what his value is. The price is around 7 million for this season, so any team looking to sign Clay would likely have to pony up at least 7 million/year. It may also be that the Dolphins want an insurance policy, that worst case scenario they can still have the option of bringing him back if he receives an offer he likes.
That seems like a reasonable price to pay for Clay, and Clay gets another chance to prove himself assuming that he's healthy entering the 2015 season.
That seems like a reasonable price to pay for Clay, and Clay gets another chance to prove himself assuming that he's healthy entering the 2015 season.
I think Clay ends up signing a multi-year deal with the Dolphins (4/22,16 guaranteed?), but the transition tag gives them a little more bargaining power. If they get outbid, but the contract is still reasonable, they can match. Hard not to dig it.
The other thing to note is Clay is likely the second best free agent TE available behind Julius Thomas and this upcoming draft is exceptionally weak in TE talent.pdaj said:
Hopefully he is signed to a multi year deal because when he's healthy he's a very good player and Miami needs more Clays on their roster, not less.
The idea of Suh to Miami seems to be swirling around and he's been spotted in Miami. I can't see it happening. Miami has some space this year, and next season they look like they're going to have a lot of cap space. They could try and get creative and backload some of Suh's contract to years where they'll have more room under the cap. Also, being in Florida, there's no state income tax, so Miami may not have to put out the absolute top dollar offer in order to win the bidding.
Other than the money, I can't see Miami bringing in a guy with Suh's history of incidents on the field. No one questions his talent, and I wouldn't know for sure, but I don't think he's ever been an issue in the locker room or off the field, but his antics on the field doesn't seem to jive with Philbin's Boy Scout mentality.
What's funny, I was trying to find the article, but about a week ago, Jason Taylor was quoted as saying sometimes you need the guys who aren't afraid to do the dirty work and dont necessarily walk the Boy Scout line. Maybe that was his sales pitch.
Other than the money, I can't see Miami bringing in a guy with Suh's history of incidents on the field. No one questions his talent, and I wouldn't know for sure, but I don't think he's ever been an issue in the locker room or off the field, but his antics on the field doesn't seem to jive with Philbin's Boy Scout mentality.
What's funny, I was trying to find the article, but about a week ago, Jason Taylor was quoted as saying sometimes you need the guys who aren't afraid to do the dirty work and dont necessarily walk the Boy Scout line. Maybe that was his sales pitch.
The Suh smoke adds more sense to the Wallace rumors. In the off-chance that Suh signs, Wallace is gone. I'd expect another big add at CB, and some mid-range deals at LB and WR. Address OL/offense in draft.
pdaj said:
I can't see them making any other big signings if they were to somehow get Suh on board. Maybe a veteran in the mold of Finnegan on a one or two year deal. Let's say they hypothetically cut Wallace and they sign Suh. That makes WR a huge hole, with Landry being the guy with the most career receptions on the team. They can certainly draft a WR or two, but I just feel like Miami has too many holes to fill to sign a guy like Suh to a potentially record breaking contract. Keep in mind that Tannehill is going to get expensive starting next year if they keep him around, which it looks like they will.
sodenj5 said:
I'm expecting a couple of LB to get cut, too, although that'll be post-June and have no impact on FA spending. Fields is also a candidate to be replaced for a cheaper option, as is Starks. Ultimately, however, I expect Suh to be too expensive.
Edit: A lot of Miami writers now seem to think the Dolphins will go all-out for Suh, a la Mike Wallace in '14. If he is, indeed, landed, the dominos to fall post-signing will be significant.
hig priced FA...i'd go visit Miami first and let the idiots throw down a high offer. if they do in fact sign him, the Starks is gone for sure. Maybe Odrick as well?
Odrick is a FA. Suh would likely rule out Odrick's return. The thing with Suh is not only does he bring his own value, the value of nearly the entire defense increases. Teams can't double team Wake, Suh, and Vernon at the same time. The LBs will be freed up to make plays and the secondary will benefit from the DLine's increased production. He would have a huge impact.Clears Cleaver said:
https://twitter.com/omarkelly/status/573267385760796674
https://twitter.com/omarkelly/status/573267385760796674
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Is rather have four quality players than one suh. And I love Suh.
These guys don't know how to build a roster
https://twitter.com/omarkelly/status/573267385760796674
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Is rather have four quality players than one suh. And I love Suh.
These guys don't know how to build a roster
https://twitter.com/omarkelly/status/573267385760796674Clears Cleaver said:
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Is rather have four quality players than one suh. And I love Suh.
These guys don't know how to build a roster
That DLine would be fucking scary, though.
https://twitter.com/omarkelly/status/573267385760796674Clears Cleaver said:
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Is rather have four quality players than one suh. And I love Suh.
These guys don't know how to build a roster
Yeah I agree. The one big acquisition strategy never seems to work outside of the NBA. I'm not an expert on the Dolphins roster but there has to be better players to target.
Also Suh isn't that young as I thought he was.
The Dolphins still have a lot of cap space that is likely pending with cuts of Ellerbe and Wheeler looming. My best guess if they sign Suh is Wallace is a cut next season when Tannehill gets a pay increase and Suh's cap number likely spikes.Phragle said:
Dolphins re-signed Jason Fox. good move. I thought he played pretty well and is a solid third OT.
Clears Cleaver said:
Also a good insurance policy should Branden Albert miss a few games to start the season or starts on the PUP list. That's a very real scenario.
Today is the official opening of the legal tampering window. Should be hearing buzz on the Suh front in regards to numbers and years. For all the talk going around that Miami has the benefit in state income tax, Oakland has enough room, and they HAVE to spend so much money to meet the minimum requirements that they can pretty much blow anyone out of the water, should they choose to put that many eggs in one basket. The Jags also have a huge amount of cap space, but again, they have so many holes that they'd be much better off spending that money surrounding Bortles with some resemblence of an offense.
A line of Wake, Suh, Mitchell, and Vernon is bananas. That's really all I can think about. The way Miami's D collapsed down the stretch, they need to rebuild the middle of their defense. The line gave out, the LBs weren't good enough, and they were getting killed by the run. If they sign Suh, I think they go MLB in the second round and get Perryman or McKinney, whomever is available at that point. They move MIsi back outside to SLB where he's better suited to play.
Ian Rapoport @RapSheet 2h2 hours ago
Intriguing team preparing to make a run at #Lions DT Ndamukong Suh: The #Chargers. Wow.
Intriguing team preparing to make a run at #Lions DT Ndamukong Suh: The #Chargers. Wow.
E5 Yaz said:
I'm not sure how I feel about going all-out for Suh at the moment, but I believe the report that he'll either be a Dolphin or Lion. Miami won't be outbid, and when all the tax factors are considered, FL has about an 8% advantage over California.
The Patriots have dominated the division for over a decade now, and it's surprising to me that no other team in the AFCE has attempted to build a team the way New England has. Parcells might have been the closest, but he couldn't complete the job with the right QB. Instead of building through the draft, Miami continues to win the FA off-season, and this year, New York and Buffalo are doing similarly. (I'm including the addition of a certain 11 million dollar running back.)
Sure, I'd rather over-pay for one of the best defensive players in the game, opposed to a WR that doesn't compliment your QB or offensive system, but with that much $$ invested in one player, your drafting and under-the-radar signings have to be stellar.
The Revis signing was a big signing, and the Pats don't win the SB without him; but it wasn't a big contract, so the risk was minimal. If Suh, indeed, comes to Miami, he'll need to absolutely dominate for the length of his contract. Very risky.
This is an overstatement. Generally (there are exceptions, and it's complicated), you pay income tax to the state in which you reside, as well as the state in which you earned the money. And if those places are different, you get a reduction in your home state liability. So, (1) You don't have to reside in CA to play for a CA team; (2) even if he did, only around half of his income would be subject to CA income tax.pdaj said:
WayBackVazquez said:
I tried reading up more on this, but it, indeed, seems very complicated. It looks as though some benefits aren't eligible to higher income brackets?
Haha, were the Dolphins really considered the favorites for Manning? Outside of Miami? I remember Elway/Denver emerging as the clear favorite pretty quickly. This Suh news compares more to the Wallace rumors from 2 years ago.
I can wait until Suh accidently steps on Brady's throwing hand...
This reeks of Ross wanting so badly to have a Sunday night in Miami. also means starks and Odrick are done for sure. and they have to go cheap at ILB (likely in draft).
No matter how much $$ you spend, Mr. Ross, when you have a middle of the pack QB and a lousy coach, it doesn't matter how many big name FAs you sign, your team will not be relevent
This reeks of Ross wanting so badly to have a Sunday night in Miami. also means starks and Odrick are done for sure. and they have to go cheap at ILB (likely in draft).
No matter how much $$ you spend, Mr. Ross, when you have a middle of the pack QB and a lousy coach, it doesn't matter how many big name FAs you sign, your team will not be relevent
Smart FA moves are still necessary to set up the next coaching staff for success. Depending upon the offensive progress this year, I wouldn't be surprised to see Lazor emerge as a candidate. I really like how he conducts himself overall. His interviews are a must-watch, IMO.
If Suh becomes a Dolphin, we'll all know how Brady's career ends. It's just a matter of when. My guess is some time after the whistle blows ...
If Suh becomes a Dolphin, we'll all know how Brady's career ends. It's just a matter of when. My guess is some time after the whistle blows ...
Jason Cole @JasonPhilCole · 35m35 minutes ago
Echoing @CharlesRobinson, high-placed source told me w/ confidence Suh is going to #Dolphins. 2nd source said #Lions only other team chasing
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WayBackVazquez said:
If he played in Oakland or San Diego, I imagine he would be a Portland resident, where his family resides and he grew up.
I know for a fact that the second part of Cole's tweet (Detroit the only other team playing) is not true. Oakland is offering Suh huge money and all of the Chargers media outlets are reporting they are making a huge offer as well. Marc Davis might not be willing or able to offer the $30M + check on Monday signing bonus that Ross can pay, and has to in order to get an $18M per under the cap.
Seems like the Bills are going to make Clay an offer that will make it hard for Miami to match, likely with a lot of money up front so Miami would be in a real bind if they do in fact sign Suh.
I love me some Clay. I would hate to see him leave for the Bills of all teams, but Dion Sims is a very good TE that may be ready to step in as a full time starter. He's not the dynamic playmaker in the passing game that Clay is when healthy, but he's a good, all-around TE.
Clay certainly lucked out as far as free agency goes because this draft class is super thin at TE.
I love me some Clay. I would hate to see him leave for the Bills of all teams, but Dion Sims is a very good TE that may be ready to step in as a full time starter. He's not the dynamic playmaker in the passing game that Clay is when healthy, but he's a good, all-around TE.
Clay certainly lucked out as far as free agency goes because this draft class is super thin at TE.
Clay and Wallace are only two guys who can get mismatches. Landry is a possession wr. Losing Clay is a big loss. Sims is not a downfield WR like Clay. Ugh
Chris Mortensen @mortreport 1m1 minute ago
Ndamukong Suh will sign with #Dolphins on Tuesday based off parameters around $114 million and $60 million guaranteed, per sources.
Ndamukong Suh will sign with #Dolphins on Tuesday based off parameters around $114 million and $60 million guaranteed, per sources.
Chris Mortensen @mortreport 10s10 seconds ago
Suh also will get $60 million in first 3 years of 6-year contract, based on parameters set between #Dolphins and Suh's agent, Jimmy Sexton.
Suh also will get $60 million in first 3 years of 6-year contract, based on parameters set between #Dolphins and Suh's agent, Jimmy Sexton.
I mean, it's a lot better bet than Jay Cutler's contract (7/$126 mil with $54m guaranteed). But it sure is a huge bet on a DL.
Two shots a year to end Brady's career. Totally worth it
Otherwise, ehhh. So many holes to fill.
Otherwise, ehhh. So many holes to fill.
