2021-2022 NBA Game Thread!

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Scottie Barnes last nite in win over Giannis-less Bucks: 13 points on 5-for-9 shooting (3-for-6 from 3-point range), 7 rebounds, 4 assists, 3 steals, 1 block, 0 turnovers.

What a great pick by Toronto.
The last 15 seconds of this one were crazy. Foul on a 3, loose ball foul on a FT rebound, offensive rebound of a missed FT and 2 missed Toronto FTs. Bucks had a real chance to come back from 5 but missed 2 free throws and Connaughton missed an open corner three that would have won it.
 

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I didnt realize how basketball "old" he is (32). Can he play another 3 years to rack up some more counting stats?

I saw him play live in hs and looking up his age just made me feel so damn old.
He’s never gained much size during his career and that shows in his still-quick first step. He has that durable wiry body that ages well like a Reggie Miller, Jamal Crawford, etc. You can tell he works hard on his body and on conditioning so yeah he probably has at least 2-3 elite years then a bunch more if he can land in more of a supportive role.
 

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Those Warriors uniforms were too Knickian for my liking. But I guess they worked

The Mitten can play
 

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Spurs gaining momentum after an awful start. Murray is a hell of a player.
 

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The NBA is weird. Remember how bad Kelly Oubre Jr was to start last year? Went 6-13 from 3 tonight, he's now 76/193 for the year, .394. He also ended up finishing last year around his career norms.

With the amount of 3 pointers players are taking nowadays, the peaks and valleys of less consistent 3 point shooters is amazing. They can last a full season.

Poole's first 8 games: 22/62, .355
Poole's next 7 games: 12/57, .211
Poole's last 8 games: 31/65, .477

For the year: :353.
Last year he shot .351.

Consistency, but not. The more consistent shooters still have peaks and valleys too, though less extreme.

Eric Gordon is another guy who could be shooting .298 on game 38 of the season and then on game 46, he's shooting .362 somehow.
 

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Cade was 11/24 tonight, including 6/11 from 3. 28 points, 11 rebounds, 5 assists, 2 steals, 6 TO.

Last game: 8/15, 3/5. 19 points, 2 rebounds, 5 assists, 1 block 1 steal, 5 TO.
Game before that: 10/13, 5/7, 1/2. 26 points, 7 rebounds, 1 assists, 3 blocks, 1 steal, 6 TO.

TO are problematic and he's not getting to the line but this is his 2nd good stretch of games this season.
 

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It's always a bit of an odd dynamic when the highest paid player by far (he's paid almost exactly what the second and third highest paid guys make combined) is both healthy and arguably not one of your top 3-4 guys.
Ball, Miles, Rozier and ? Doesn't change your point much but he's a top 4 guy.
 

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Three straight losses for the Wizards, who are coming back to earth after their fast start.
 

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Can't believe how wrong I was on Franz. I'm not the only one, anyway. He's gotten better as the year as gone on, though some of it could just be SSS.

First 18: 31.0 mpg, .423/.360/.794, 12.4 points, 3.9 rebounds, 2.0 assists, 1.1 steal, 0.6 blocks. 1.1 TO
Last 6: 33.5 mpg, .465/.389/.789, 17.0 points, 5.7 rebounds, 4.5 assists, 1.2 steals, 0.5 blocks. 1.5 TO.

4 of the last 6, there was no Cole Anthony but he hasn't missed a beat in the 2 games where Cole has been back.

Through the 1st at GS, he's 2-4, 0-1, with 4 points, 4 assists, 1 rebound, 1 steal. 0 TO.

last 6 game prior to this one's assist totals: 4,4,4,5,5,5.

He's turning into that playmaker he was advertised to be. I doubt he'd go much higher in a redraft today, but ask that question in 2 years and it's much different. This draft has a lot of talent but there are quite a few players with questionable shots. There are also only 4 lottery players not playing big minutes and 2 of them play for the Warriors, another is 18, and the other is James Bouknight. The Hornets have been good but you'd think maybe he'd see the court more than he has.

Hard to make much of poor shooting numbers by teenagers being forced 30 minutes a night.
 

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Cade was 11/24 tonight, including 6/11 from 3. 28 points, 11 rebounds, 5 assists, 2 steals, 6 TO.

Last game: 8/15, 3/5. 19 points, 2 rebounds, 5 assists, 1 block 1 steal, 5 TO.
Game before that: 10/13, 5/7, 1/2. 26 points, 7 rebounds, 1 assists, 3 blocks, 1 steal, 6 TO.

TO are problematic and he's not getting to the line but this is his 2nd good stretch of games this season.
He had a similar week around the middle of November. He’s so much fun to watch…..once the game slows down for him he’ll be one of the highest BBIQ players in the league.
 

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Andrew Wiggins, lol. Never would have had him at 52/125, .416 from 3 24 games into the season. He did shoot .380 last year though.
 

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Andrew Wiggins, lol. Never would have had him at 52/125, .416 from 3 24 games into the season. He did shoot .380 last year though.
He has limitations in his game, but he has become a really valuable player for GS.

Oh and Kaminga is really a better athlete than I realized, this was an easy no effort jump, and he is a good 3 feet off the ground

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jAQoF-sabOs
 

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On the season:

Wiggins: 22.2 pts per 36 on .591 ts (.416 from 3)
Beal: 22.6 pts per 36 on .526 ts (.266 from 3)

Only one of the two is a 6’-8” 26 y.o. freak athlete who runs all day, never gets hurt, and happily guards the other team's best player (from CP3/Spida to Kawhi/LeBron) for the #1 defense in the league.

Yet somehow: the brainiacs were castigating Bob Myers in the off-season for not **throwing in Wiseman, Kuminga, Riley, Ryan, and Canon Curry** for the pleasure of making that swap — thereby teaming Steph with a 6'-3" defensive liability whose three ball has weirdly deserted him for four seasons now (.351, .353, .349, .266).

Heck, even I seriously entertained the notion, so I can’t LOL too hard. But I’m also old enough to remember getting tweaked on this board for daring to suggest the Warriors would not trade Wiggins straight up for Kemba Walker. o_O

Defensive rating on the season:

1. GSW 99.8
2. PHO 104.1
3. LAC 104.5
4. CLE 104.9
5. CHI 105.6
 
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He had a similar week around the middle of November. He’s so much fun to watch…..once the game slows down for him he’ll be one of the highest BBIQ players in the league.
Cade's passing reminds me a lot of Lonzo's passing. It's not necessarily racking up a ton of assists; it's just that quick reaction and understanding of where the ball needs to go, and a lot of it ends up being hockey assists (or missed shots because his team is bad). It's getting a rebound and running in transition, and understanding how to exploit a defense that might be slow getting back.

He doesn't have the same kind of hesitancy Lonzo has when it comes to going into the paint, and I think he is a much better shooter at this stage of his career even if the numbers are poor (I don't think he needs to overhaul his shot completely the way Lonzo did).
 

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Cade's passing reminds me a lot of Lonzo's passing. It's not necessarily racking up a ton of assists; it's just that quick reaction and understanding of where the ball needs to go, and a lot of it ends up being hockey assists (or missed shots because his team is bad). It's getting a rebound and running in transition, and understanding how to exploit a defense that might be slow getting back.

He doesn't have the same kind of hesitancy Lonzo has when it comes to going into the paint, and I think he is a much better shooter at this stage of his career even if the numbers are poor (I don't think he needs to overhaul his shot completely the way Lonzo did).
Cade is a good to great shooter. I’m not concerned about an early career small sample with his mechanics, release and soft rotation. He shot 90% from the line and 40% from 3 as a college freshman which are historical shooting numbers for a first year high volume player at that level. An entire season is a small sample of shots and people freak out about these numbers. His problem is going to be in that Pistons team not being a complete cluster around him which is a possibility.
 

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Cade is a good to great shooter. I’m not concerned about an early career small sample with his mechanics, release and soft rotation. He shot 90% from the line and 40% from 3 as a college freshman which are historical shooting numbers for a first year high volume player at that level. An entire season is a small sample of shots and people freak out about these numbers. His problem is going to be in that Pistons team not being a complete cluster around him which is a possibility.
You don't believe in the Cade/Hayes backcourt????

One thing I'd like to see out of Cade is improving his ability to get to the line. He's under 2.0 FTA per game, and one of the things I liked about him in college was his recognition of when he had a mismatch in the post with a smaller player and going to work.
 

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Those threads didn’t do Zion-Lite any favors for sure.
Luka makes 2020 Grant look svelte
According to Tim MacMahon, Luka came into the season weighing 260 pounds while Zion weighed 330 pounds

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/264956/Luka-Doncic-I-Maybe-Relaxed-Too-Much-After-Olympics

JT moves ahead of Zion in the under 25 ranking on those concerns alone.

It's a coin toss between JT and Luka now, nobody needs to send me any stats.
Anyone, at that age that shows up fat, is a risk going forward. Good chance he'll go down with an injury this season
 

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Not sure where to put this, but I found this article to be extremely fascinating. The art and science on how Stephen Curry has become the NBA's 3-point king.

https://theathletic.com/3002604/2021/12/09/the-art-and-the-science-how-stephen-curry-became-the-nbas-3-point-king/?source=emp_shared_article

His greatest pride in all this is maintaining his efficiency. Making 40 percent of his 3s for a season is the low bar, no matter how many he takes. He’s at 43.2 percent for his career. He’s going to be tops in makes and just third in attempts.

That’s confirmation his special talent and how he wielded it was an asset to winning, not an impediment.

“One thing people don’t realize (is) how hard it is to shoot 14 3s a game,” said Curry, who is averaging over 13 attempts per game this season. “That’s hard.”

He’s able to do it because of his versatility as a shooter. Off-screen specialists can’t do it off the bounce like Curry. Spot-up shooters don’t keep the same accuracy when on the move in transition. Corner 3 experts usually can’t extend their range with reliability.

You name it, Curry can shoot it with the best of them. Catch-and-shoot. Step-back. From deep. After a series of crossovers. Curling off a screen. Going left. Going right. From either wing, either corner. Standing still or after a full sprint. It’s all in his arsenal.

“I think people have compared him to myself and Reggie, to other past shooters, great shooters in the NBA,” Ray Allen said. “But he really, and I’ve said this before, he really operates somewhat in a lane of his own. Being able to play the way he plays, shooting the ball the way he shoots it. … There’s nothing really that anybody can do to keep him from being able to score the basketball.”
 

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Jazz whomp the Sixers. Gobert and Whiteside 31/21/4 blocks. Embiid and Drummond 19/12/1. Easy peasy.
The Jazz are teasing us again with another regular season in which they look all but invincible.
 

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Watched end of the Kings/Hornets game and lost a significant amount of BBIQ because of it. Ref misses two calls on what should have been the games final possession by Charlotte. Results in a basket and a foul that was reversed due to the second missed call (Cody Martin’s foot landed before the release on reverse layup).

After making one of two from the line to give the Kings a 1-pt lead, Martin commits the Euro take foul on Fox. Only problem was the the Kings were in the bonus so Fox heads to the line with :02 to win (or tie) the game. He misses both. Hornets win by 1.
 

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Looks like Jabari Parker instead of Garrison Mathews for the last spot is Brad/IME's first roster mistake
Yes, but would Ime actually be playing Mathews, or would Mathews be stapled to the end of the bench?
 

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Yes, but would Ime actually be playing Mathews, or would Mathews be stapled to the end of the bench?
If Mathews was shooting 3’s at 25% while providing little else except for making bonehead plays he would deservedly be seated next to our medical staff on the bench. If he’s productive and doing his job when opportunities arise I’m guessing he’d play.
 

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Coming into this season we knew this team was light from 3.

Mathews actually knows how to come off the bench and hit 3s, he was a career 40% 3pt shooter (~250 att) coming into the season. He's 6'5" and can actually guard NBA players (Jabari is not capable of guarding anybody). I see him as a better version of Pritchard. Heck he's a better version than Nesmith now.

It's a small move and probably doesn't move the needle, but it should be noted
 
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Don't look at Max Struss.

It's annoying. This team could have shooters, they just held on to the wrong guys. And you can't really blame them. Unlucky they happened to work out.
 

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Don't look at Max Struss.

It's annoying. This team could have shooters, they just held on to the wrong guys. And you can't really blame them. Unlucky they happened to work out.
agreed. Missing on Strus is kind of excusable since Greene was probably a better fit and MS didn't start hitting NBA 3s until this season. GM had already proven he could at the NBA level coming into the season and he's a better defender than Max.

Plus Miami/Spo knows how to develop young fringe players much better than the Celtics. So Strus has received the benefits of playing in their system

I'm nitpicking, but this team is very unpleasant to watch.
 
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The Embiid double dribble no-call was hilariously bad. How can anyone take the refereeing in this league seriously.
 

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The 10th Chicago Bulls player has entered Covid protocol with the announcement on Alize Johnson. This leaves them with 8 players, the league minimum requirement, for tomorrow nights game hosting Detroit. Decent chance we see our first Covid-related postponement of the season here.
 

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The 10th Chicago Bulls player has entered Covid protocol with the announcement on Alize Johnson. This leaves them with 8 players, the league minimum requirement, for tomorrow nights game hosting Detroit. Decent chance we see our first Covid-related postponement of the season here.
15+2-10= 8?

How do they have 8 players?
 

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NBA has postponed the Bulls next two games scheduled for Tuesday and Thursday. Good move.
 

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NBA has postponed the Bulls next two games scheduled for Tuesday and Thursday. Good move.
If Omicron spreads here as it has in South Africa and it's looking like it will in Europe (and I don't see a reason why it wouldn't), the next month or two are going to be a COVID positive nightmare for the NBA (and NFL).

Disease severity is still unknown and boosters definitely are going to help, but with this degree of immune evasion there are going to be SO MANY positives. Especially places like the NBA that are doing a lot of testing and will find the asymptomatic cases.

Could be a huge issue in the next couple of months, moreso than last year, at least a far as player availability.
 

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If Omicron spreads here as it has in South Africa and it's looking like it will in Europe (and I don't see a reason why it wouldn't), the next month or two are going to be a COVID positive nightmare for the NBA (and NFL).

Disease severity is still unknown and boosters definitely are going to help, but with this degree of immune evasion there are going to be SO MANY positives. Especially places like the NBA that are doing a lot of testing and will find the asymptomatic cases.

Could be a huge issue in the next couple of months, moreso than last year, at least a far as player availability.
NHL and European futbol as well, for those that care.
 

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Steph ends the night two short of Ray Allen for 1st on the alltime 3s made list. MSG will be rocking and the Knicks have one of the worst 3 point team defenses I’ve ever seen. Steph has had a couple bad shooting games in a row but I wouldn’t be surprised to see him take a run at Klay Thompson’s single game record of 14 in addition to the career record.
 

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The Warriors plane had mechanical issues last night forcing the Warriors to check back into a hotel in Indiana after the game. They fly out to New York this morning to face the Knicks tonight.
 

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Lakers cancel practice today ahead of their flight to Dallas for health and safety protocols.

I sense the end is near……or at least a temporary end.