2023 NBA Playoffs

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Miami, coached by the great Erik Sproestra, with the great Jimmy Butler and defensive wizard Bam Adebayo, give up 81 first half points to a Giannis-less Bucks team.

Imagine the criticism the Celtics coach would get if they gave up 81 points like Miami did.
 

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AD getting badly outplayed by Xavier Tillman is something.
Tillman 22 points on 13 shots, 13 rebounds, 3 assists
AD 13 points on 14 shots, 8 rebounds, 3 assists


The third string Memphis center outplaying an alleged top 15 player was the difference tonight.
 

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Hey they got the split! It’s crazy how road teams early on can seem to be satisfied with that.
This is really embarrassing by Miami. I get the split mentality, but this was a golden opportunity without Giannis for them to actually take this series. Assuming Giannis comes back, Milwaukee ain't losing again.
 

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This is really embarrassing by Miami. I get the split mentality, but this was a golden opportunity without Giannis for them to actually take this series. Assuming Giannis comes back, Milwaukee ain't losing again.
Yeah, they’re fucked. They’re the inferior team, but needing 2/5 rather than 3/5 would’ve been massive.
 

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Getting beat like a drum to the Giannisless Heat is absolutely embarrassing. Couldn’t happen to a better franchise
 

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Given that it was only game two of a first round series, I feel comfortable naming that LAL-MEM game the "David Roddy Game". Tillman was merely a beneficiary.

In other news, the Wolves do indeed look like they are playing at altitude.
 

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Anyone going to tell us that they knew Xavien Tillman was some secret star who would eat AD’s lunch in a playoff game?
Not going to claim I saw him as a a secret star, but he was one of my draft binkies, whom I hoped the Celtics would grab with one of their picks in the 20's that year.
 

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Wolves getting feisty here. Also, I was marveling at the trade at the time but its undeniable that Conley makes Minnesota better. And more fun.
 

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Rudy Gobert is a jackass. It’s understandable that seemingly everybody hates him
 

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Looked like KAT almost connected a serious elbow to the face of the ref who was coming up behind him as he was demonstrating what foul he thought Jokic committed on that play. That would have been not so great.
 

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I don’t watch much Wolves and I’ve always thought that Towns was unfairly maligned by the media…
I’ve watched some of these games and I get it now. The guy is immensely talented but he can disappear for long stretches. He also commits about 3 fouls per game that are incredibly fucking dumb and avoidable yet manages to constantly whine
 

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No doubt, but my first thought as he was running away and got a T is that Draymond does that exact same shit every game, and almost never gets T'ed up for it.
Completely agree.

In defense of the refs, and I never thought I’d type those words, they did set a precedent the play before by giving MPJ a pretty weak tech for softly kicking the ball towards a ref.

The other thing….that was 100% a clear and obvious foul. What the fuck is Rudy complaining about?
 

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I’ve watched pretty much this whole game and I would have said “Jokic was pretty good but nothing special”
Just checked the box score….27 points, 9 rebounds and 8 assists. He’s a truly special player
 

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KAT with as as many combined turnovers (5) and fouls (5) as points (10). Completely wasted a wonderful game from Ant.

Looked like KAT almost connected a serious elbow to the face of the ref who was coming up behind him as he was demonstrating what foul he thought Jokic committed on that play. That would have been not so great.
Yeah that was almost ridiculous. He was staring at the ref who was walking towards him, turned his back and demonstrated the elbow for another ref. Given his lack of situational awareness and incomplete control over his limbs, it's no surprise he's spent his entire playoff career in foul trouble.

View: https://twitter.com/jbcooter0/status/1648906008394342401?s=20
 

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KAT with as as many combined turnovers (5) and fouls (5) as points (10). Completely wasted a wonderful game from Ant.



Yeah that was almost ridiculous. He was staring at the ref who was walking towards him, turned his back and demonstrated the elbow for another ref. Given his lack of situational awareness and incomplete control over his limbs, it's no surprise he's spent his entire playoff career in foul trouble.

View: https://twitter.com/jbcooter0/status/1648906008394342401?s=20
Class A creampuff. Which is really a shame, because he's a super skilled player.
 

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Anyone going to tell us that they knew Xavien Tillman was some secret star who would eat AD’s lunch in a playoff game?
Ahem. A couple of us here wanted Boston to use the Bane pick on him a few years ago (I think Ben Hogan was the other).
 

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I like that Brooks is going at LeBron. NBA players are way too deferential to the superstars. He’s daring LBJ to put up 40 on him, knowing that a stagnating Lakers offense featuring James trying to score in the half court favors Memphis.
Right, sometimes the upstart challengers are in the position that they are better, and need to not blow it by awaking the giant. Sac vs. GSW is probably in this category, and the Sac players have clearly been put on high alert to not provide any bulletin board material.

Memphis' spot is different. With Ja and the centers out, LAL are probably the better team, so I like that Brooks is trying to burn the ships and leave the Grizzlies no way out except taking things up another notch.
 

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I like that Brooks is going at LeBron. NBA players are way too deferential to the superstars. He’s daring LBJ to put up 40 on him, knowing that a stagnating Lakers offense featuring James trying to score in the half court favors Memphis.
Oh, believe me, I eat this stuff up. There isn't anything better in sports than a great player being challenged because that usually leads to some exciting stuff. LeBron is getting called out by a relative nobody. I can't wait to see how he responds. Brooks won me over in college when he got Coach K all riled up in a tourney game, I believe.
 

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Ahem. A couple of us here wanted Boston to use the Bane pick on him a few years ago (I think Ben Hogan was the other).
Ha. How can we forget the 2020 COVID/November Draft Day? You and @DannyDarwinism did a ton of excellent pre-draft work. I'm not sure where we can find all that work (thread) you guys did months ahead of time.

Those 3 First round Celtic Draft picks netted: Nesmith, Pritchard, and out of that onerous $5MM Kanter contract o_O

Made me go back to the Draft Day board. I did want Bane at 24 (instead of PP) and Tillman at 30. Older established/decorated upperclassman at the end of round 1 & in the 2nd round has always been my bias.

Getting rid of Kanter's salary opened up room to sign Tristan Thompson :oops:.... Danny really had a rough couple of years at the end. Credit to Brad for picking up the ball and correcting all of those mistakes.

https://sonsofsamhorn.net/index.php?threads/2020-nba-draft-game-thread.32034/page-8

some favorite posts:

A couple of teams picked up guys that I really liked that also look like great fits, first and foremost is Dallas with Josh Green, a wing defender who's a great fit out on the break with a wizard Luka, Tyrell Terry in the second (teams must've really been scared off by his frame) as a reasonable approximation of Seth Curry, who they flipped for what should be a very useful two-way wing in Richardson, and Tyler Bey as a two-way contract guy who can defend and run if he pans out. They got better now with J-Rich and have a couple of pretty high upside guys if Green shoots and Terry gets strong enough. I'd be psyched if I was a Mavs fan.

Pelicans getting the lightning quick Kira Lewis to run a backcourt with Lonzo, and with guys like Zion, Bledsoe, Ingram and Jaxson Hayes is just a potentially insanely fun, fast and athletic team. Sam Merrill might not have the athleticism to play in the NBA, but he was one of the best shooters and scorers in the draft, and taking a shot at a guy like that with the last pick of the draft makes a ton of sense.

Sadly, I really like what Morey did for the Sixers. It wasn't too painful to get off of Horford, and losing Richardson's defense hurts a team that struggles to defend quicker guards, but they helped their spacing in a big way. Maxey's a better shooter than his college numbers indicate- he shot much better from 3 in AAU and in other environments, his FT% is encouraging, and he shot a ton of late-clock heaves at Kentucky- play he can get to the rim and he's a tough, if undersized defender. Great culture guy too. Joe slipped due to his frame, but he's a promising spot-up guy too- a skinny man's Nesmith. And Paul Reed is an athletic freak of a big man who severely needs some discipline, but does have upside as a defender and rim-runner.

I'm just glad I can root for Memphis again, as they got two of my favorite guys in the draft in Bane and Tillman. Both are lowish ceiling, but they both project as really solid role players. It stung to have the Celtics trade the pick that was used to take Bane, and I thought Tillman was the one guy who really could've come in right away and helped the Celtics on short notice this year.

Precious Achiuwa is a ways away, but the Heat are probably the best team to develop him, and him and Bam could be a serious problem together. Not thrilled about that pick from a conference rival.

Kings getting Haliburton to pair with Fox is gonna make for a really fun backcourt. Rumors that Hali wanted to go there and play with Fox to the extent that he shied away from other teams and took the corresponding salary hit are pretty strange, but if true it just shows the super mature and hoops-focused guy who doesn't care if he's playing in Ames of Sactown, as long as he's balling out. I put some money on him at 14-1 for RoY already and I'm thinking about laying down some more. I have no idea why Woodard slipped to 40 when it's so clear that wings his size who can defend and shoot are the most valuable pieces in the NBA. I'd much rather take a shot at a guy like that than a big who won't be able to play in the playoffs like Vernon Carey. Add in another potential two-way wing (although a 2/3 rather than a 3/4 like Woodard) in Jahmi'us Ramsey.

Other than Haliburton at +1400, I like Toppin +600, Hayes +700 and throwing some darts at Cole Anthony (Magic), Malachi Flynn (Raptors) and Maxey, all at +6000.

Pritchard at +8000 as four year college guy coming on to a team that likely will have a hole in backup PG with a starter who has an injury concern and will likely be given ample maintenance days isn’t crazy either.
trade up for Haliburton
Bane please
.can we give them Pritchard instead and keep Bane
 
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I like that Brooks is going at LeBron. NBA players are way too deferential to the superstars. He’s daring LBJ to put up 40 on him, knowing that a stagnating Lakers offense featuring James trying to score in the half court favors Memphis.
I'm not sure that Brooks is thinking that far ahead, but I agree with your sentiment. The man is the NBA. He should be confident, not deferential. And Lebron doesn't need motivation.
 

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Oh, believe me, I eat this stuff up. There isn't anything better in sports than a great player being challenged because that usually leads to some exciting stuff. LeBron is getting called out by a relative nobody. I can't wait to see how he responds. Brooks won me over in college when he got Coach K all riled up in a tourney game, I believe.
I don’t remember if it was a tourney game or a regular season game but your memory is definitely correct.

That was the thing where mics caught K saying “You’re better than that!” And then he denied it in the press conference after
 

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Marc Spears was on the Lowe Post and said that he thought that any NBA would react to getting pulled intentionally like Draymond did by stomping on their opponent (he added "maybe not as hard") and that he thinks the Kings are going to have an asterisk on the series if they win. Lowe said that he doesn't want to see the series be ended for such a legendary team because Draymond was suspended. Lowe also said that the Warriors were complaining that Sabonis is pushing too much for rebounds and swinging the ball around too aggressively on offense.
 

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Marc Spears was on the Lowe Post and said that he thought that any NBA would react to getting pulled intentionally like Draymond did by stomping on their opponent (he added "maybe not as hard") and that he thinks the Kings are going to have an asterisk on the series if they win. Lowe said that he doesn't want to see the series be ended for such a legendary team because Draymond was suspended. Lowe also said that the Warriors were complaining that Sabonis is pushing too much for rebounds and swinging the ball around too aggressively on offense.
This is why the league should have messaged the player safety aspect harder. Not doing so leaves them open to this ridiculous stuff.

Comparing pushing for rebounds to curb-stomping is completely absurd, but the NBA brought it upon themselves with their awful messaging.
 

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What world are these journalists living in?
Most of them are extremely physically soft and have little exposure to what things are actually dangerous, so it's basically "punches BAD", "other stuff NOT BAD".
 

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What world are these journalists living in?
My sense is that those in/around the NBA don't view these sorts of plays like fans. It feels like its just a part of the game, albeit practiced by a select few habitual, annoying line-crossers. Its an unfortunate cost of doing business. That's just my conjecture of course.
 

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My sense is that those in/around the NBA don't view these sorts of plays like fans. It feels like its just a part of the game, albeit practiced by a select few habitual, annoying line-crossers. Its an unfortunate cost of doing business. That's just my conjecture of course.
Yes, we see NBA players trampolining off of other players all the time. Yawn.
 

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Spears is a lifelong Warrior homer isn't he? That part of the podcast was honestly embarassing to listen to, and I'm a huge Lowe fan....in his case, he admires Draymond the player and it was pretty clear that colored his ability to see the issue with Draymond's action. He also noted that this is a 'Last Dance' kind of situation potentially, and so taking Draymond off the court for a critical game is unfortunate way for that to go. That part I agree with as a basketball fan, but also as a basketball fan feel like is overdue.

I have generally liked the Warriors over their run---last year's finals notwithstanding---and I would be shocked if there's any serious basketball fan who doesn't recognize Draymond as an exceptionally dirty player.