Aaron Hernandez charged with 1st degree murder; released by Patriots

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Not sure if this was posted (lots of posts, may have missed it). Polite and respectful? WTF is going on in his head? Sociopath? Narcissist? Over confident douche? Moron? All the above?
 
 
Bristol County Sheriff Tom Hodgson said he expects life behind bars will be a major adjustment for the former NFL star.
Wednesday night's dinner at the Dartmouth House of Correction was chop suey green beans and a slice of bread, the sheriff said. Hernandez will only be allowed out of his one-person cell for showers and phone calls. Authorities will perform background checks on any visitors.
Hodgson said he met with Hernandez "as soon as he came in" to the facility and told him he'd receive no special treatment.
Asked how Hernandez responded, Hodgson said, "he did not seem nervous," adding he was "polite and respectful."
 
http://www.cnn.com/2013/06/26/justice/nfl-hernandez/index.html?hpt=hp_t2
 

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He might be dumb enough to use a defence that would be almost as bad even if it worked.  His lawer probably isn't however.
 
Weird question:
the charges had this(beyond the obvious stuff)
Charge #
Poss. large-capacity firearm 2
Poss. firearm w/o FID card 2

There was only one gun right, so why 2 counts here? (I'm just curious. I doubt it actually makes a difference).
I believe at the arraignment they mentioned they found multiple guns in the house.
 

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Wednesday night's dinner at the Dartmouth House of Correction was chop suey green beans and a slice of bread, the sheriff said.
 
That's what I'm having
 

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DrewDawg said:
Well, it's referencing a P&G thread...
 
I guess I don't understand what was so "bad" about my comment.  I was merely suggesting that the events that led to Lloyd's murder may not have been confined to that particular night.
 

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I guess I don't understand what was so "bad" about my comment.  I was merely suggesting that the events that led to Lloyd's murder may not have been confined to that particular night.
 
Wasn't directed at you, was referencing other threads and what can happen to you if you comment bad. As in, talk shit about Aaron Hernandez and you end up with 5 shots in the head and back in an industrial park.
 

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Ferm Sheller said:
 
I guess I don't understand what was so "bad" about my comment.  I was merely suggesting that the events that led to Lloyd's murder may not have been confined to that particular night.
The comment had nothing to do with you.

BucketOBalls said:
He might be dumb enough to use a defence that would be almost as bad even if it worked.  His lawer probably isn't however.
 
Weird question:
the charges had this(beyond the obvious stuff)
Charge #
Poss. large-capacity firearm 2
Poss. firearm w/o FID card 2

There was only one gun right, so why 2 counts here? (I'm just curious. I doubt it actually makes a difference).
Those are two different charges. One for having a large capacity weapon, the other for being in possession of a weapon without a permit.
NortheasternPJ said:
Not sure if this was posted (lots of posts, may have missed it). Polite and respectful? WTF is going on in his head? Sociopath? Narcissist? Over confident douche? Moron? All the above?
 
 
 

http://www.cnn.com/2013/06/26/justice/nfl-hernandez/index.html?hpt=hp_t2
He is in prison with no bail and a long trial ahead. What do you expect him to do?
 

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NortheasternPJ said:
Wasn't directed at you, was referencing other threads and what can happen to you if you comment bad. As in, talk shit about Aaron Hernandez and you end up with 5 shots in the head and back in an industrial park.
 
Gotcha, thanks.  
 
Lesson for me to learn: Be less paranoid.
 

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Average Reds said:
No, we're talking about you all the time.  Just not this time.
 
Really?  What do you mean by "all the time"?  Literally "all the time", only much of the time or merely quite often?
 
Also, good things or bad?   Good, right?
 

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Really?  What do you mean by "all the time"?  Literally "all the time", only much of the time or merely quite often?
 
Actually, until about an hour ago, none of us had even noticed your existence ... if that helps you feel better
 

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Actually, until about an hour ago, none of us had even noticed your existence ... if that helps you feel better
 
"An hour ago"? I posted that comment 45 minutes ago.  You guys weren't watching me masturbate, were you?
 

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So if you had told me a week ago I'd think Patrick Kane was a better human being than Aaron Hernandez, I would've laughed in your face...

...After I shot you 5 times with a Ruger .45, that is...
 

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Can't wait until his attorneys break out the "paranoia from marijuana use" defense.
"Uh, your honor, we'd like to argue that this was... not at all a paranoid person.  In fact we'd been looking for the perfect courtroom euphemism for 'dumb motherfucker' going forward and this kind of solved that for us."
 

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Warren Sapp and Michael Irvin, among others, are on NFL Network discussing the "Top 100 players of 2013" right now.  They have AH listed at #77.  Show must be pre-recorded.
 
EDIT:  But it says "Live" in the upper, right corner of the screen.
 

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Well, his lawyer did have a point about the misinformation and rumors floating around that portrayed Hernandez as a small-time criminal who needed to reevaluate his priorities and stop protecting his buddies. Those false reports really didn't come close to describing just how monumentally stupid and sociopathic Hernadez really is. So his law team's comments for Monday were clearly justified.

Given the apparent depth of Hernandez's idiocy, he could have a longer life in prison, as the absence of things such as moving traffic, train tracks, third floor balconies, construction equipment and, of course, firearms will all be working in his favor once the Mr. Magoo-esque luck he's apparently enjoyed all his life finally runs out. Right now, all signs point to him not understanding the playbooks in NE or Florida at all and simply being in the right place by random chance.
 

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I wonder if we will learn that Hernandez thought his life was in danger perhaps due to getting wrapped up in some criminal enterprise. Isn't it odd that he installed a surveillance system with 14 cameras? Isn't it strange to flip out this way bc someone talked to your enemies? Is it possible that Lloyd knew something that represented a threat to Hernandez?

Hernandez is probably just a terrible person with anger issues and a wannabe-ganstah streak, but you do have to wonder.
 

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I wonder if we will learn that Hernandez thought his life was in danger perhaps due to getting wrapped up in some criminal enterprise. Isn't it odd that he installed a surveillance system with 14 cameras? Isn't it strange to flip out this way bc someone talked to your enemies? Is it possible that Lloyd knew something that represented a threat to Hernandez?

 
 
That doesnt really justify having someone killed unless you are in Florida
 

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I wonder if we will learn that Hernandez thought his life was in danger perhaps due to getting wrapped up in some criminal enterprise. Isn't it odd that he installed a surveillance system with 14 cameras? Isn't it strange to flip out this way bc someone talked to your enemies? Is it possible that Lloyd knew something that represented a threat to Hernandez?

Hernandez is probably just a terrible person with anger issues and a wannabe-ganstah streak, but you do have to wonder.
 
I too wonder.  I wonder if it has to do with a all of the hurdles he has had to face in life.  And I wonder if it has to do with Ds.
 

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From a draft profile. Stumbled across it while looking at what they were saying as he was preparing for the draft.

"Character: Has never been a problem for Florida. However, there is the often quoted but never confirmed line from Urban Meyer during Hernandez's freshman year, "Aaron will either be in prison or a Hall of Famer.""
 

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I really dont care why he did it. 
 
Lloyd was scared enough to know Hernandez may attempt to kill him. He shot Lloyd in the back on the way out of the car (maybe he was trying to run, who knows). He got out of the car, walked around it, and put more holes into his chest to make sure he was dead.
 
This was his friend, by the way.
 
He then held the gun in his hands the entire way back to his house (his own video camera saw him get out of the car holding it). Imagine the terror his passengers felt? (Fuck them too, of course).
 
He was ruthless. I don't care if its because he was a wanna be thug, a real thug, or a psychopath.
 
The sooner we stop talking about Hernandez, the better off we are.
 

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I'm not a lawyer but I'm pretty sure it's been said by several lawyers here that accessory before the fact to murder is still quite a serious offense.  He'd be going away for a very very long time if he plead to that.  I'd think he'd have better luck fighting the murder 1.
 
It's the same, in fact.  If you plan the killing you're guilty of the killing, whether or not you're the actual triggerman. 
 
Skimming through the thread, the "best" defense I can imagine at this point is:
 
AH was angry with OL, but didn't intend to kill him.  Another member of the entourage did.   AH panicked and concealed evidence because he knew how bad it would look (i.e., people would assume AH did or ordered the shooting.) 
 
That puts AH on the hook for obstruction and possibly the firearms charges.  He could also prevail in a civil suit under the same theory.  10 years in jail and out with enough money to float the rest of the way?
 
If there's no possible other triggerman or there's physical evidence that ties AH to the shooting itself, he may as well sell the house, spend all the cash/savings on a trust fund for his kid, and save a few thousand for the commissary so he can smoke himself to death on the inside. 
 

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I really dont care why he did it. 
 
Lloyd was scared enough to know Hernandez may attempt to kill him. He shot Lloyd in the back on the way out of the car (maybe he was trying to run, who knows). He got out of the car, walked around it, and put more holes into his chest to make sure he was dead.
 
This was his friend, by the way.
 
He then held the gun in his hands the entire way back to his house (his own video camera saw him get out of the car holding it). Imagine the terror his passengers felt? (Fuck them too, of course).
 
He was ruthless. I don't care if its because he was a wanna be thug, a real thug, or a psychopath.
 
The sooner we stop talking about Hernandez, the better off we are.
 
Yeah, we should switch to talking about his replacement - Tim Tebow.
 

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Kenny F'ing Powers said:
I really dont care why he did it. 
 
Lloyd was scared enough to know Hernandez may attempt to kill him. He shot Lloyd in the back on the way out of the car (maybe he was trying to run, who knows). He got out of the car, walked around it, and put more holes into his chest to make sure he was dead.
 
This was his friend, by the way.
 
He then held the gun in his hands the entire way back to his house (his own video camera saw him get out of the car holding it). Imagine the terror his passengers felt? (Fuck them too, of course).
 
He was ruthless. I don't care if its because he was a wanna be thug, a real thug, or a psychopath.
 
The sooner we stop talking about Hernandez, the better off we are.
 
 
I agree with you about everything until your last sentence.  This isn't going away anytime soon.  
 

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It's the same, in fact.  If you plan the killing you're guilty of the killing, whether or not you're the actual triggerman. 
 
Skimming through the thread, the "best" defense I can imagine at this point is:
 
AH was angry with OL, but didn't intend to kill him.  Another member of the entourage did.   AH panicked and concealed evidence because he knew how bad it would look (i.e., people would assume AH did or ordered the shooting.) 
 
That puts AH on the hook for obstruction and possibly the firearms charges.  He could also prevail in a civil suit under the same theory.  10 years in jail and out with enough money to float the rest of the way?
 
If there's no possible other triggerman or there's physical evidence that ties AH to the shooting itself, he may as well sell the house, spend all the cash/savings on a trust fund for his kid, and save a few thousand for the commissary so he can smoke himself to death on the inside. 
 
If the evidence mentioned by the prosecutor today -- triangulating his whereabouts -- is as described and admissible, I think this seems like about the best he can do based on what we currently know.
 
For what it's worth, I got the sense from the prosecutor's statement that AH was, in fact, not the shooter.  Some of what he said today could only have come from someone in the car (or it was rank speculation).  Specifically, there were assertions made to the court about what was discussed in the car regarding why AH was angry.  If they had someone in the car, and AH is the shooter, it seems like they would have mentioned that.  My audio wasn't great, but it sounded to me as though the prosecutor used passive voice and was talking about the victim being shot, without saying who did the shooting.  Also, Hernandez was described as the "mastermind," which is really not something you need to say or even want to try to prove if he was the actual shooter.  But I guess we'll see.
 
The problem with this defense is that apparently when Hernandez erased surveillance tape, he did so only of the period after the shooting, and there apparently is video of Hernandez with a gun (not clear if the kind of gun believed to have been involved in the killing) talking about not trusting people.  That's going to be tough.  Also, there are texts where Hernandez seems anxious to get his eventual accomplices up to join him, which if admissible will help show premeditation.  Last, there's the problem that he has to explain what it is they thought they were doing with the victim at 3:00 in the morning in an industrial park.  He can't admit to anything like a felony -- if he says, "we just wanted to scare him, I didn't know we were really going to shoot him," that's potentially felony murder anyway if it turned into kidnapping.  It would have to be something lame like, "we just wanted to talk to him," but who goes to an industrial park at 3:00 a.m. to talk?
 
He's in a tough spot.  Of course, you can get an arrest warrant based on evidence that is not necessarily admissible at trial.  When it comes time to prove the case, it gets much harder, so we'll have to see.
 

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For what it's worth, I got the sense from the prosecutor's statement that AH was, in fact, not the shooter.  Some of what he said today could only have come from someone in the car (or it was rank speculation).  Specifically, there were assertions made to the court about what was discussed in the car regarding why AH was angry.  If they had someone in the car, and AH is the shooter, it seems like they would have mentioned that.  My audio wasn't great, but it sounded to me as though the prosecutor used passive voice and was talking about the victim being shot, without saying who did the shooting.  Also, Hernandez was described as the "mastermind," which is really not something you need to say or even want to try to prove if he was the actual shooter.  But I guess we'll see.
Prosecution may need to come up with another word for "mastermind," since mastermind sort of implies a semi-functional brain.
 

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It's kind of amazing he went to the trouble of breaking his security system but managed to leave video of him with the murder weapon.
 
It's almost as if he wanted to be caught.
 
The Patriots continue to have bad luck when it comes to video surveillance.
 
To me, there's a difference between the stupidity displayed in committing the murder, and all the stupid things done afterwards.  It's one thing to act idiotically while panicking or in the heat of passion, but the "plot" itself is even dumber than the cover up.
 
Also, I didn't get to see Hernandez play too much because I lived out of market for the entirety of his career, but I don't remember him being a particularly hot headed player or one with a Mankinsesque mean streak.  Does anyone remember him drawing any unnecessary roughness penalties or blowing up on field?  Obviously, him being able to control his temper on the field doesn't mean he can be levelheaded off the field, but it's just an added layer of bizarreness. 
 

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Also, I didn't get to see Hernandez play too much because I lived out of market for the entirety of his career, but I don't remember him being a particularly hot headed player or one with a Mankinsesque mean streak.  Does anyone remember him drawing any unnecessary roughness penalties or blowing up on field?  Obviously, him being able to control his temper on the field doesn't mean he can be levelheaded off the field, but it's just an added layer of bizarreness. 
Being under the influence of drugs and/or alcohol may have contributed.
 

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erased surveillance tape, he did so only of the period after the shooting, and there apparently is video of Hernandez with a gun (not clear if the kind of gun believed to have been involved in the killing) talking about not trusting people.  That's going to be tough.  Also, there are texts where Hernandez seems anxious to get his eventual accomplices up to join him, which if admissible will help show premeditation.  Last, there's the problem that he has to explain what it is they thought they were doing with the victim at 3:00 in the morning in an industrial park.  He can't admit to anything like a felony -- if he says, "we just wanted to scare him, I didn't know we were really going to shoot him," that's potentially felony murder anyway if it turned into kidnapping.  It would have to be something lame like, "we just wanted to talk to him," but who goes to an industrial park at 3:00 a.m. to talk?
 
This is really the other stupid thing.  I mean, assuming they have a corroborative witness, or that the pinging of the cell phone towers is allowed into evidence, they are going to be able to show that they went and pick him up and then came all the way back to Attleboro.  It seems to me that you would have a hard time convincing a jury that you drove 40 miles each way just to have a friendly chat with this guy at 3 AM.  His actions leading up to the killing really seem to screw with any defense centered around the killing being spur of the moment.  I mean he may as well have had Bernard Pollard with him saying their mission was to kill.
 

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This is really the other stupid thing.  I mean, assuming they have a corroborative witness, or that the pinging of the cell phone towers is allowed into evidence, they are going to be able to show that they went and pick him up and then came all the way back to Attleboro.  It seems to me that you would have a hard time convincing a jury that you drove 40 miles each way just to have a friendly chat with this guy at 3 AM.  His actions leading up to the killing really seem to screw with any defense centered around the killing being spur of the moment.  I mean he may as well have had Bernard Pollard with him saying their mission was to kill.
 
The rental car is the biggest aspect to prove premeditation. Why rent the car Aaron? That will be very difficult to explain away. And the best part about the rental is that Hernandez used it to cover his tracks, all the while making significantly more tracks, leaving more proof that he planned a murder and leaving more witnesses, too boot.(and shell casings)
 
I realize criminals are stupid and that is why they get caught. But his actions are really are unbelievably stupid. Wanting to commit the murder is hideous enough but the way he went about it was nearly comical if someone didn't actually die.
 

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I can't criticize the Patriots for drafting Hernandez in the 4th round.  I like the idea of them reaching on guys who have an injury history or even a character history in the latter rounds.  I'd rather they swing for a first round talent than take limited upside picks, at least some of the time.
 
And I can't criticize them for extending him last year.  I assume they knew that he had real issues off the field but he'd been quite productive on it and it appears that his off field stuff wasn't as pronounced as it became after he got the big payday.
 
What I can criticize them about, or what I can at least wonder about, is why they didn't make more of an effort to mentor him when some of the warning signs started to become more apparent.  It seems like they could have done more and should have been on higher alert.  Is that realistic?  Is the answer that he's an adult and they just can't do that?  I know that some will reply thusly, and it resonates, but at the same time I think that if you are going to reach on character guys, you can't just hope for the best.
 
People are going to focus on what an idiot Aaron is.  There's a lot of material there and it is indeed astonishing to contemplate the extent to which this guy just threw it all away.  But should the Pats have done more to help this guy make better choices?
 

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TS, do you know for a fact that the team did not mentor Hernandez? Or are you simply making an assumption as the basis for your criticism?
 

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I can't criticize the Patriots for drafting Hernandez in the 4th round.  I like the idea of them reaching on guys who have an injury history or even a character history in the latter rounds.  I'd rather they swing for a first round talent than take limited upside picks, at least some of the time.
 
And I can't criticize them for extending him last year.  I assume they knew that he had real issues off the field but he'd been quite productive on it and it appears that his off field stuff wasn't as pronounced as it became after he got the big payday.
 
What I can criticize them about, or what I can at least wonder about, is why they didn't make more of an effort to mentor him when some of the warning signs started to become more apparent.  It seems like they could have done more and should have been on higher alert.  Is that realistic?  Is the answer that he's an adult and they just can't do that?  I know that some will reply thusly, and it resonates, but at the same time I think that if you are going to reach on character guys, you can't just hope for the best.
 
People are going to focus on what an idiot Aaron is.  There's a lot of material there and it is indeed astonishing to contemplate the extent to which this guy just threw it all away.  But should the Pats have done more to help this guy make better choices?
How do you know that they didn't?
 

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Good point, both of you.  Maybe they tried and failed.  And yes, I was assuming that they didn't mentor him.
 
DeJesus, my point wasn't so much to criticize but rather to ask a question.  My assumption is that they didn't mentor him or didn't adequately mentor him, but I recognize that the answer might be that they tried mightily and he was either unwilling or just too stupid to take advantage of it.
 

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What I can criticize them about, or what I can at least wonder about, is why they didn't make more of an effort to mentor him when some of the warning signs started to become more apparent.  It seems like they could have done more and should have been on higher alert.  Is that realistic?  Is the answer that he's an adult and they just can't do that?  I know that some will reply thusly, and it resonates, but at the same time I think that if you are going to reach on character guys, you can't just hope for the best.
What does this mean?  The warning signs being reported in the media (gang ties, anger issues, love for weed) were all known before they drafted him.  Are there additional things that came up while he played with the Patriots?
 

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What does this mean?  The warning signs being reported in the media (gang ties, anger issues, love for weed) were all known before they drafted him.  Are there additional things that came up while he played with the Patriots?
And the warning signs were why he fell to 113 despite being considered a 1st or 2nd round talent.
 

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What does this mean?  The warning signs being reported in the media (gang ties, anger issues, love for weed) were all known before they drafted him.  Are there additional things that came up while he played with the Patriots?
I have read, and it may or may not be true, that Hernandez's behavior worsened after he got the big contract.  If so, he would not have been the first guy who that happened to.   If his behavior did worsen in the wake of the big payday, perhaps the Pats radar should have perked up and perhaps they should have tried harder.
 
 
And again, maybe they did all they reasonably could have.
 

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Yeah wow.  I mean, fuck him, if he did it.  No real sympathy, but man the look on his face made my stomach sink.
 
OnWisc said:
Well, his lawyer did have a point about the misinformation and rumors floating around that portrayed Hernandez as a small-time criminal who needed to reevaluate his priorities and stop protecting his buddies. Those false reports really didn't come close to describing just how monumentally stupid and sociopathic Hernadez really is. So his law team's comments for Monday were clearly justified.

Given the apparent depth of Hernandez's idiocy, he could have a longer life in prison, as the absence of things such as moving traffic, train tracks, third floor balconies, construction equipment and, of course, firearms will all be working in his favor once the Mr. Magoo-esque luck he's apparently enjoyed all his life finally runs out. Right now, all signs point to him not understanding the playbooks in NE or Florida at all and simply being in the right place by random chance.
 
So he might outlive Gronk?
 
Actually, when you add in all the head injuries Gronk has had/will have, it wouldn't surprise me if Hernandez's later life is a higher "quality of living" than Gronk, in terms of memory, muscle control, that sort of thing.
 

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I have read, and it may or may not be true, that Hernandez's behavior worsened after he got the big contract.  If so, he would not have been the first guy who that happened to.   If his behavior did worsen in the wake of the big payday, perhaps the Pats radar should have perked up and perhaps they should have tried harder.
 
 
And again, maybe they did all they reasonably could have.
If the Pats were in the business of doing people favors, they never would have drafted him.  Hernandez being a millionaire and living less than 2 hours from his childhood crew was a disaster waiting to happen.  We saw how well it worked out for Herren, both at BC and with the Celts.
 

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You're kidding, right? We root for tons of scumbags. If you could be guaranteed a fourth ring with Hernandez on the roster, an overwhelming majority of fans would take that.
 
Just going back to the early conversation in this thread (nice job, RedSox13!), I can't imagine this theoretical majority exists after yesterday.  This is not a "hold your nose and root for the laundry" kind of deal.   I could rationalize the likes of Haynesworth, Talib, or even Stallworth, but I'm glad Hernandez will never play for the Patriots again, even if he somehow avoids life in prison.
 

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TheoShmeo said:
I have read, and it may or may not be true, that Hernandez's behavior worsened after he got the big contract.  If so, he would not have been the first guy who that happened to.   If his behavior did worsen in the wake of the big payday, perhaps the Pats radar should have perked up and perhaps they should have tried harder.
 
I wonder how much they could/did monitor this?  If he wasnt bringing his entourage into the facility, or having conversations with teammates or on the phone that would be warning signs, thats one thing.  Beyond that to monitor this they would really have to follow him outside of the facility, something like tailing him for 48 hrs or so to see who he is interacting with and where, perhaps tailing him while he goes to a club, etc.  I am pretty confident this happens with red flagged character risk guys before the draft, but I really wonder how much of that is done after the draft unless there are warning signs.
 

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Toucher & Rich have been playing some of the clips of the interview that Hernandez gave after he signed the extension.  It is just one interview, but he sure sounded like a guy who was tremendously appreciative of the opportunity that the Pats had given him by drafting him, and then by extending him.  The money quote (and I am paraphrasing here) is something to the effect of "you know you are set for life if you just make good choices.  I am going to play my heart out for the Patriots and live like a Patriot off the field."
 
Again this is just one interview and obviously what you say to the media and how you live your life are two different things, but he sure sounded to me like a guy who understood that he had made poor choices at times in his life, was given a tremendous opportunity to play football for a living and make more money doing it than most people see in their lives, and was going to consciously try to make better choices off the field.
 
So, in terms of warning signs and what the Patriots knew about Hernandez or should have done, I think it is impossible to sit here and say they should have done more without knowing a whole lot more.  Signing a guy to an extension like that is an investment by the team and obviously they are entitled to do due diligence on a guy to a certain extent, but to what degree is it the right thing to do to be overly involved in a guy's life after that?  Maybe Hernandez was saying all of the right things, was doing all of the work required of him, and was a tremendously productive player on the field.  At that point should the Pats still have been intruding into his personal life because he had gang affiliations when he was a teenager growing up in CT?
 
Hindsight is great, and maybe I am wrong and the Pats knew that he was doing hits for the Latin Kings in his spare time and extended him anyway (in which case they are colossal morons), but absent some information like that I just find it really hard to say that the Pats had some kind of obligation to mentor him or force him to life his life in a certain way off the field.
 
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