Aaron Hernandez charged with 1st degree murder; released by Patriots

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It really is amazing.
 
The only thing that keeps you from thinking this was execution style cold blood is the pure ineptness of the entire thing.  The only thing that makes sense is that this was meant as a scare thing not a kill thing and then something snapped and it turned into a kill thing.  Even then, it's stupid to bring a loaded weapon anywhere if you aren't prepared to actually use it.
 
I mean, assuming all of these facts are true:
- Using a rental car, then exchanging it the same night?  None of those guys knows how to steal a car?  Nobody understands that the rental is just as easily tracked?  Hell at least report the rental car stolen and don't return the fucking thing.
- Allowing Lloyd to be on his phone the entire time?
- Coming all the way back to North Attleboro?  I mean, seriously, there are better places between Dorchester and North Attleboro to try and get away with something like this.
- Killing someone within a mile of his house? 
- Keeping all the weapons when you know the police are have identified you as a person of interest?
- Doing anything at all near your house with its surveillance system?
- Keeping your cell phone?
 
What in the fuck with how dumb this is?
 
This is what happens when the propagation of gang culture makes idiots think they are gangsters. They wanna act hard, then they blow stuff out of proportion, and get into something out of their depth. This nonsense cost someone his life, and a family a loved one. It's beyond stupid. It's beyond asinine. That "acting hard" is completely unnecessary and incenses me to no end.
 
I feel like professional sports leagues and players associations need to deprogram athletes the way South Korea deprograms North Korean defectors. Forget a chat with Pacman at rookie camp. Players with issues like Hernandez had, as a condition of entering the league, should go through a month-long program, each offseason, during their first contract. These leagues and player associations need to take a hard look at what kind of life they are foisting onto nitwits. 
 

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Dave Stapleton said:
So the Massachusetts Spousal exception only applies to the witness, correct?  I was wondering if the defense lawyer was setting something up when he referred to Hernandez's common law marriage.
 
They're not married, privilege doesn't exist. 
 
If they got married tomorrow or something, it would exist. I don't see why she would though. He *allegedly* murdered her sister's lover over a disagreement. Either way, in MA I believe that only she (being the witness) could invoke privilege.
 

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Quick look at Mass. law indicates that if Hernandez and fiancee get married she can refuse to testify, even about things predating marriage.
 
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Massachusetts law creates spousal privilege and spousal disqualification. Two different concepts. We'll post something about it at PFT.
Spousal immunity!

Good review for the bar right here.
 

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DA said Hernandez put 3 shots into him as Lloyd exited the car then 2 more in his chest when he was on the ground to make sure he's dead.  That's life-in-prison, cold-blooded pre-meditated murder.
 
Geez.
 
Then he backed the car over his corpse to make sure.
 

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Spousal immunity!

Good review for the bar right here.
 
"They can't arrest a husband and wife for the same crime."
 
 

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Infield Infidel said:
This is what happens when the propagation of gang culture makes idiots think they are gangsters. They wanna act hard, then they blow stuff out of proportion, and get into something out of their depth. This nonsense cost someone his life, and a family a loved one. It's beyond stupid. It's beyond asinine. That "acting hard" is completely unnecessary and incenses me to no end.
 
I feel like professional sports leagues and players associations need to deprogram athletes the way South Korea deprograms North Korean defectors. Forget a chat with Pacman at rookie camp. Players with issues like Hernandez had, as a condition of entering the league, should go through a month-long program, each offseason, during their first contract. These leagues and player associations need to take a hard look at what kind of life they are foisting onto nitwits. 
39 NFL players arrested since the Super Bowl.  39.  That's incredulous.  Don't know how much "programs" will help.  It is really true and sad.  It is unfortunately a culture thing as mentioned.  You can take the boy out of the hood but you can't take the hood out of the boy mentality.  Some, maybe most CAN'T change.  Money and the element of fame just escalate the pre-existing conditions.
 

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AimingForYoko said:
They're not married, privilege doesn't exist. 
 
If they got married tomorrow or something, it would exist. I don't see why she would though. He *allegedly* murdered her sister's lover over a disagreement. Either way, in MA I believe that only she (being the witness) could invoke privilege.
 
His lawyer referred to their relationship as a "domestic partnership" so I was wondering if he was setting the stage for some sort of argument that it would extend to a common law marriage.
 

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His lawyer referred to their relationship as a "domestic partnership" so I was wondering if he was setting the stage for some sort of argument that it would extend to a common law marriage.
She is an absolute fool to cover for a murderer.  Her sisters boyfriend was brutally slain.  I don't care if he's the father of her kid.  He'll never see the light of a free day again.  If she's that dumb to continue to support him, she's going down too.
 

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39 NFL players arrested since the Super Bowl.  39.  That's incredulous.  Don't know how much "programs" will help.  It is really true and sad.  It is unfortunately a culture thing as mentioned.  You can take the boy out of the hood but you can't take the hood out of the boy mentality.  Some, maybe most CAN'T change.  Money and the element of fame just escalate the pre-existing conditions.
 
To be fair, you're looking at almost 3,000 players on the roster & practice squad etc.throughout the NFL. The number of arrests is way too high, but compared to other sports, there's a lot more NFL players, their season is much shorter and the off season is a lot longer. Not justifying anything in these, but it makes a difference.
 

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mauidano said:
39 NFL players arrested since the Super Bowl.  39.  That's incredulous.  Don't know how much "programs" will help.  It is really true and sad.  It is unfortunately a culture thing as mentioned.  You can take the boy out of the hood but you can't take the hood out of the boy mentality.  Some, maybe most CAN'T change.  Money and the element of fame just escalate the pre-existing conditions.
 
It would have to be an interventionary program akin to drug rehab, where every aspect of their life is examined, mixed charity work, financial planning, and life classes (like domestic abuse awareness, etc.) If a player is arrested at all they immediately go into the program before being allowed to play again. 
 

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Dave Stapleton said:
His lawyer referred to their relationship as a "domestic partnership" so I was wondering if he was setting the stage for some sort of argument that it would extend to a common law marriage.
 
If he was, he is as stupid as his client, because MA doesn't recognize such a thing. They are not married, there is no privilege.
 

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Hernandez tweeted at 10:30am last Tuesday, "Good morning." It was his last Tweet.


Surprised he wasn't dumb enough to tweet it as "good mourning".
 

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I don't see why he is going to bother fighting the charges- he should try and save some of his money for his daughter. I don't think a defense team of Clarence Darrow, Alan Dershowitz and Johnny Cochrane could help him much now.
 

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I don't see why he is going to bother fighting the charges- he should try and save some of his money for his daughter. I don't think a defense team of Clarence Darrow, Alan Dershowitz and Johnny Cochrane could help him much now.



Don't worry, whatever he doesn't pay out in fees is going to the victim's family when they bring a wrongful death suit.
 

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I don't see why he is going to bother fighting the charges- he should try and save some of his money for his daughter. I don't think a defense team of Clarence Darrow, Alan Dershowitz and Johnny Cochrane could help him much now.
 
If the bubble gum wrapper don't fit, you must acquit.
 

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Oh yeah, the media really overplayed this.

So what do you think now, Mr Pierce?
 

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Well, I was totally wrong about this one.  I naively assumed a multi-millionare wouldn't piss his life away by gratuitously killing someone over social niceties. 
 
Sheesh.  We'll have to see how it unfolds, but the tweets from the arraignment sound pretty bad. 
 

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Rovin Romine said:
Well, I was totally wrong about this one.  I naively assumed a multi-millionare wouldn't piss his life away by gratuitously killing someone over social niceties. 
 
Sheesh.  We'll have to see how it unfolds, but the tweets from the arraignment sound pretty bad. 
Another example of stupid athletes and social media.  They never learn.
 

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Infield Infidel said:
This is what happens when the propagation of gang culture makes idiots think they are gangsters. They wanna act hard, then they blow stuff out of proportion, and get into something out of their depth. This nonsense cost someone his life, and a family a loved one. It's beyond stupid. It's beyond asinine. That "acting hard" is completely unnecessary and incenses me to no end.
 
I feel like professional sports leagues and players associations need to deprogram athletes the way South Korea deprograms North Korean defectors. Forget a chat with Pacman at rookie camp. Players with issues like Hernandez had, as a condition of entering the league, should go through a month-long program, each offseason, during their first contract. These leagues and player associations need to take a hard look at what kind of life they are foisting onto nitwits. 
 
 
Also, you're a sociopath and/or didn't see the next episode where the hard gangster is easily caught by police and sentenced to prison for the rest of their lives.
 

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Oh yeah, the media really overplayed this.

So what do you think now, Mr Pierce?
 
I know you're riding high on prediction success and all but the media behavior has been worthy of criticism. The helicopter chase to the Gulf station was one of the most ridiculous uses of media assets/coverage in recent memory. 
 
Just because Steve Silva was eventually right about an arrest warrant doesn't validate his "reporting". 
 

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dcmissle said:
Oh yeah, the media really overplayed this.

So what do you think now, Mr Pierce?
Pierce ended his piece by pointing out that 3 people were murdered this weekend in Roxbury and those killings are receiving no media attention at all, especially in comparison to Hernandez and Lloyd.  I think he makes a fair point that the media does not care about murder cases that won't bring eyeballs to their theater productions, I mean newscasts.
 

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Surprised he wasn't dumb enough to tweet it as "good mourning".



Or "I'm a stress free kind of guy".

Hell, I'm surprised he didn't tweet "Shot someone last night LOLOLOL."
 

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Basically, a real-life example of the Prisoner's Dilemma.
 
 
AH was arrested, given the perp walk, and charged with first-degree murder.  That could mean that his culpability is just that much worse than anyone else's.  You could still have the classic prisoner's dilemma situation, where AH was a douchebag and just didn't want to talk, which would fit with how he's conducted himself all along (ie like a horse's ass), but you wouldn't have a true prisoner's dilemma if one of the actors did something much, much worse than the other(s).
 

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Texts going back and forth from Hernandez to his friends to "get your asses up here".  Hernandez says in the house that "he can't trust anyone anymore" shortly before they leave.  Left the house, bought stuff at a gas station, arrived at Lloyd's home. Lloyd got in the car, proceeded down Fayston St(caught on video), tracks the car through the city of Boston, got on 95, went back to North Attleboro.  Hernandez is upset with Lloyd after the previous night at the club, can't trust him, is mad at what Lloyd is telling people, Lloyd sends text to his mom and sister saying did you see who i am with after 3:22, sends another text to his mom saying Just so you know who I am with NFL, 3:22 am they go by Seekonk Supply, they go by Metal working near his home but they go a different way behind the industrial buildings.  Car is down there at 3:23 AM.  Between 3:23 and 3:27 AM people working in buildings hear gun shots approx. 5.  3:28 N Attleboro Electric Department picks up video of him.  Distance of home to homicide site is 2 minutes.  5 shell casings recovered from scene.  Rigor mortis and position of body found is consistent with this timeframe and nature of where the crime was committed.  Dug under his body and found that he had been shot when he was down on the ground after initial gunshots.  45 caliber weapon casings found and matched to the gun.  At 3:27 AM when Hernandez left, the direction he traveled was consistent to the direction he need to go in order to go home.  Surveillance shows him and 2 associates leaving the vehicle upon arrival to home.  Hernandez seen carrying the gun and goes to walk through home with it.  All go down to basement and they shut off the surveillance.  5:30 pm they go to the car rental to return car and there is damage to car but was not damage earlier in the night.  Denies all knowledge of damage.  Trade in rental for Chrysler 300 and go home.  2 guys with him leave in that car.  Found shell casing under the drivers seat and gum he offered rental attendant.  They call cleaners over to clean house and car.  Police seized dumpster where everything was thrown out and found a shell casing.  Evidence shows Lloyd was killed right as he left the car.  Tire marks match Nissan Altima Hernandez rented.  His friends tried to get rid of the gun under a car.
 
I am just stunned at how fucking stupid this all is.  There are no words for what a gigantic moron this guy is. 
 

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He retuned the rental car with a shell casing under the seat?
 
And my wife gets mad at me if I return the rental car with empty coffee cups in it.
 
What a complete utter fucking moron.
 
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