Aaron Hernandez charged with 1st degree murder; released by Patriots

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Corsi

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Heading to Bristol Country House of Corrections, which likely means a murder charge, per FOX 25.
 

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Death, I asked a detective about this. He said Hernandez pissed off the cops. He said that even on homicide charges - lawyers and law enforcement frequently arrange for surrender. He does not believe Hernandez nor his attorneys knew the arrest was coming. He also cited the smashed cell phone and surveillance system as grounds enough for the cops to get pissed enough to perp walk him out of his home.
 
Figured it had to be one or the other.  In a previous life, I handled a few surrenders for clients.  It's actually the norm, unless the police are afraid of flight or destruction of evidence.  I was shocked to see the perp walk this morning, and even more shocked to see that his arms were cuffed inside his shirt.  To not even let him put on a shirt was pretty fucking clear that the relationship between him and authorities was somewhere between sour and completely hostile.  Seems to me he made it adversarial from the beginning, but like I said, if he's the trigger man, it doesn't really matter.  He had nothing he could have given them.  If he wasn't, and he's protecting others, he's a fucking moron and deserves whatever happens.
 

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FOX25 saying he's going to prison today, which means its a no bail situation and that probably means homicide.
 
edited for accuracy.
 

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Interesting.   Bad news for Hernandez if Sutter is going to treat this as a centerpiece case for his career. And for the record, my last post was entirely snark directed at the website and wasn't meant to imply anything negative about Sutter himself. 
 
Not necessarily. You may well be correct but Mike Nifong sends his regards. 
 
And to put it on record - disappointed and pissed off at Hernandez, totally understand why the Patriots released him. 
 

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Schefter just said that, by releasing Hernandez now, Pats have waived the right to recoup his cap money. Is that true? You have to stick it out with the player on the roster in a situation like this?
 
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Bristol sheriff preparing for jail cell. Either no bail or high bail (and we know Herb has $) = murder or accessory, no?
 
This is higher than OBJ.
 
what Corsi said.
 
Yikes, Aaron. WTF. I just hope we find out the motive, however stupid it was.
 

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FOX25 now reporting that Patriots will not go after the signing bonus money.
 
Not really what they said.  They were reiterating Schefter's report that says by releasing Hernandez, they can't go after the signing bonus money via the CBA.  That doesn't mean they can't/won't go after it in court.
 

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Figured it had to be one or the other.  In a previous life, I handled a few surrenders for clients.  It's actually the norm, unless the police are afraid of flight or destruction of evidence.  I was shocked to see the perp walk this morning, and even more shocked to see that his arms were cuffed inside his shirt.  To not even let him put on a shirt was pretty fucking clear that the relationship between him and authorities was somewhere between sour and completely hostile.  Seems to me he made it adversarial from the beginning, but like I said, if he's the trigger man, it doesn't really matter.  He had nothing he could have given them.  If he wasn't, and he's protecting others, he's a fucking moron and deserves whatever happens.
Having handled a few myself, it's absolutely the norm. Lots of things can go wrong when someone is arrested by surprise. It can put a client's life in danger. In the very few criminal matters that I've handled during the investigatory phase, I always counsel surrender. I also always build a "relationship" with the detective.  I call and say that my client has invoked his right to counsel and will peacefully surrender if a warrant is obtained for his arrest. I've never had that request refuse. '
 
It makes life much easier for everyone. Cops don't risk having to bust into a home. Clients aren't arrested in front of their kids.
 
For smaller crimes than murder, it can mean the difference between a weekend in jail, or being processed and posting bond.
 

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"@DougKyedNESN: FOX 25 just said Hernandez will go to Bristol County Jail after arraignment. This is a no bail situation."

No bail = it's murder
 

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Schefter just said that, by releasing Hernandez now, Pats have waived the right to recoup his cap money. Is that true? You have to stick it out with the player on the roster in a situation like this?
 
Completely a shot in the dark here, but I wonder if they could have made some sort of special deal with Goodell to get an exception to the normal rules (if what Schefter said is true).  It's directly in the interest of the league to have Hernandez completely out of the NFL as this sort of thing starts to pick up steam. It's hard to imagine the Patriots not holding off for a bit if there were substantial cap concerns involved. 
 

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I'd hang onto all of the Hernandez  memorabilia, though.  It could be valuable later on since they won't be making any more of it.
 
Hernandez is a total moron.  He not only took another man's life (or at least attempted to shield those who did) but also threw away his own.  Tragic.
 

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Corsi said:
 
Not really what they said.  They were reiterating Schefter's report that says by releasing Hernandez, they can't go after the signing bonus money via the CBA.  That doesn't mean they can't/won't go after it in court.
But if they do it that way, can they get it back against the cap, or do they just get the money itself back? I guess if they can void the contract, it wouldn't count against the cap anymore?
 

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From the beginning I was on record saying I thought the simplest (and most likely) explanation was that the victim (and possibly more of Hernandez's entourage) were involved in some shit that went south, and Hernandez's suspicious actions (destroying the phone/surveillance system, not cooperating, etc) were likely a result of a) him trying to distance himself from the underlying activity (drug dealing for example) or b) him trying to prevent this from shedding a light on other illegal activities that he WAS involved in. 
 
I said, as recently as last night, that Hernandez was likely NOT stupid enough to be more involved than that, even though anyone who's ever head him give an interview knows he's no rocket scientist. 
 
Well - I was wrong.  Sometimes the simple explanation is not correct.  Hernandez does indeed appear to be that stupid.  And if he's guilty, he deserves everything that's coming to him. 
 
What a waste. 
 

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After about an hour of sitting in his cell tonight it's all really going to hit him and he's probably going to have the biggest panic attack of his life. He probably thought his defense team and a "lack of evidence" (due to him destroying it) would help him either get minimal jail time or cleared completely. But he's going to be sitting there, and if it's a murder charge, it's going to dawn on him that he won't see much more than the inside of that cell for probably at least 25 years.
 
12 days ago he had it all. Wow.
 

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This is ridiculous and a terrible overreaction.  What ever happened to the presumption of innocence?
 
Sacrificing the strength on the team on the field in order to avoid a POTENTIALLY messy situation is incredibly discouraging as a fan of the sport.  This bullshit Boy Scout attitude that the Pats take is a complete farce.  
 
This is why we lost the Ravens in the AFC Championship game.
 

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Does anyone know what time (or if there is a time) for his arraignment. The courthouse is near my house and I'm trying to avoid the zoo.
 
 2PM.
 

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Will the arraignment shed much light beyond the charges?  
 
Unless Hernandez starts uncontrollably screaming "That bastard deserved it!  I did it and I'd do it again!  And eff you Bill, you're next bro!" probably not.  It's going to be like a 5 minute thing.
 
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Some great one-liners in this thread that deserve more love.
 
RSN Diaspora said:
Oh dear. I thought the Supreme Court just struck the Hernandez case down.
 
smastroyin said:
More is known, just not by us.
 
Wills Eeks said:
He looks armless in the ESPN picture.  "Just a man with no arms, defiant against a world where most people have two." 
 
mikeford said:
"@DougKyedNESN: FOX 25 just said Hernandez will go to Bristol County Jail after arraignment. This is a no bail situation."

No bail = it's murder
 
All I ever needed to know about arraignments, I learned from Law & Order!
 
I hope we get some snappy dialogue and use of the term "flight risk".
 

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They have the same (lack of) hairstyle. Coincidence? No. Bill is sending a message. Just you wait.
 

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Will the arraignment shed much light beyond the charges?  
 
Possibly, if there's a bail argument. If the charge is murder, the judge probably won't waste his/her time letting the defense argue for bail.
 

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The cap and so forth are the least of it. I don't understand why people can't grasp why you can't have murder defendants on your roster. Period. Now is different than 2000, and this guy is no Ray Lewis.
 

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I figured they could at least test the waters and see if they could get a late round pick in next year's draft.
 

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Wait...There are people here who think the Patriots SHOULDNT have cut him?
There were a few folks making the "innocent until proven guilty" and "how can they cut him without knowing the charges" arguments.  They have since backpedaled.
 

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Completely a shot in the dark here, but I wonder if they could have made some sort of special deal with Goodell to get an exception to the normal rules (if what Schefter said is true).  It's directly in the interest of the league to have Hernandez completely out of the NFL as this sort of thing starts to pick up steam. It's hard to imagine the Patriots not holding off for a bit if there were substantial cap concerns involved. 
Yea, I don't think Goodell, even as powerfull as he is, can bend common law contract interpretation to meet his whims.
 

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The cap and so forth are the least of it. I don't understand why people can't grasp why you can't have murder defendants on your roster. Period. Now is different than 2000, and this guy is no Ray Lewis.
 Give him some time.  Maybe he's only charged with obstruction, and maybe he "finds religion" and maybe he miraculously gets the mainstream media to ignore his involvement in a homicide.
 

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On the positive side, his soon-to-be fellow inmates are getting someone who is great at breaking down game film.  Should make the Pats-viewing experience more enjoyable for them.
 

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I figured they could at least test the waters and see if they could get a late round pick in next year's draft.
Are you fucking high? Who the hell would even TAKE him right now, much less give up compensation.
 

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There were a few folks making the "innocent until proven guilty" and "how can they cut him without knowing the charges" arguments.  They have since backpedaled.
Is there a chance that the Pats know he's going to be charged with murder and how strong the case is against Hernandez?
 

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Are you fucking high? Who the hell would even TAKE him right now, much less give up compensation.
 
The Raiders? Of course the pending trial complicates a transition to a new team, as he might not be available for mini-camp to learn a new offense.
 
There's also the chance I wasn't being serious.
 

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Wait...There are people here who think the Patriots SHOULDNT have cut him?
 
Too much dead money.
 
Hernandez is a matchup nightmare for the Crips in McDaniels' Double-Wide-Left "Prison Block" offense. Typical BB trying to stay a step ahead of the rest of the league and it blows up in our faces.
 

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The Raiders? Of course the pending trial complicates a transition to a new team, as he might not be available for mini-camp to learn a new offense.
 
There's also the chance I wasn't being serious.
BULLSHIT.

Actually, I relent, my bad.
 
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