Baseball, my favorite sport, is so fucking stupid.rembrat said:Damn latin ball players at it again.
http://deadspin.com/angry-baby-paul-molitor-yells-at-jose-ramirez-to-get-t-1733950727
Baseball, my favorite sport, is so fucking stupid.rembrat said:Damn latin ball players at it again.
http://deadspin.com/angry-baby-paul-molitor-yells-at-jose-ramirez-to-get-t-1733950727
rembrat said:Damn latin ball players at it again.
http://deadspin.com/angry-baby-paul-molitor-yells-at-jose-ramirez-to-get-t-1733950727
Taunting celebrations would make baseball more fun.Red(s)HawksFan said:I've always wondered why people get all bent out of shape over a hitter taking an extra millisecond to admire his work as being "disrespectful" or "showing them up" but never once has anyone ever taken exception to a decidedly over-the-top walk-off celebration. Seems like it's become commonplace for a walk-off of any variety to be grounds for a celebration that is only a lack of champagne spraying away from being indistinguishable from a post-season clinch celebration.
I've got no problem with any kind of celebration as long as it doesn't get overtly personal or taunting. Joy is joy, after all. But I've always found it funny that while the Bud Norris/Paul Molitor types get upset with some types of celebration being too much, other forms of celebration become more and more elaborate.
Savin Hillbilly said:It's true that there's a grey area between celebration and taunting, and Ramirez' response to his HR sits right in the middle of it. The bat flip doesn't look like simple joy; there's definitely a bit of "how do you like me now?" going on there. If it's not taunting, it's at least vaunting.
But....so what? It's understandable to find that stuff annoying, but grownups should be able to handle a little annoyance. When instead they let it bubble over into outrage and retaliation they become ridiculous, much more so than a mere bat flip could ever make them. It's amazing to me they can't see that.
nvalvo said:
I'd be interested to hear more about your sense of the article's statistical dimension.
A USA TODAY Sports study of 67 bench-clearing incidents in Major League Baseball over the past five seasons found the main antagonists hailed from different ethnic backgrounds in 87% of the cases.
Just more than half of them - 34 - pitted white Americans against foreign-born Latinos. Another four featured white Americans and U.S.-born Latinos.
The figures are startling in a sport where white Americans compose about 60-65% of the population. Based on Opening-day figures, most of the rest is made up of players born outside the U.S. (26.5%) – the vast majority from Latin countries – African Americans (8%) and an undetermined number of Latinos born on U.S. soil.
The season that will conclude Sunday has taken the squabbles to an even higher level, with all 16 bench-clearing instances pitting adversaries of different ethnicity. The Kansas City Royals were involved in four such episodes in the season’s first three weeks, and Dominican-born pitcher Yordano Ventura was a participant in three of them, against Mike Trout, Brett Lawrie (Canadian) and Adam Eaton.
I suppose we can have different determinations about what is going on in that clip, but gun to my head, he's not adjusting his cup there.Snodgrass'Muff said:He didn't turn his head nearly far enough to look at the dugout. He might have gotten as far as third base, but it looks like he's looking out into left field. And I'm not convinced he was grabbing his nuts in the way you seem to be suggesting. Could have been shifting his cup. Seriously. Do a search for examples of him celebrating. There are none. When he gets out of big jams or has a big strike out, he almost never reacts. This and one time where he ran to the dugout were the worst I could find. And again, this is not an attempt to excuse his comments or to suggest he's actually playing the game the right way. It's fine to acknowledge that he's not also a huge hypocrite. Doesn't mean he's not still an asshole or a racist.
Snodgrass'Muff said:He didn't turn his head nearly far enough to look at the dugout. He might have gotten as far as third base, but it looks like he's looking out into left field. And I'm not convinced he was grabbing his nuts in the way you seem to be suggesting. Could have been shifting his cup. Seriously. Do a search for examples of him celebrating. There are none. When he gets out of big jams or has a big strike out, he almost never reacts. This and one time where he ran to the dugout were the worst I could find. And again, this is not an attempt to excuse his comments or to suggest he's actually playing the game the right way. It's fine to acknowledge that he's not also a huge hypocrite. Doesn't mean he's not still an asshole or a racist.
NickEsasky said:Not sure how MASN does it, but were the bases loaded in that clip? He easily could have been looking at whoever was on 3rd base.
This is true. Not shown on camera is when he returned to the dugout and his teammates gave him the silent treatment for a few moments before giving him high fives for recording his first major league high leverage out.glennhoffmania said:In fairness to Bud, he doesn't get out of too many jams or have many really good games so he may not know how to behave on those rare occasions.
They're playing a kids' game, so a little regression is to be expected.Savin Hillbilly said:But....so what? It's understandable to find that stuff annoying, but grownups should be able to handle a little annoyance. When instead they let it bubble over into outrage and retaliation they become ridiculous, much more so than a mere bat flip could ever make them. It's amazing to me they can't see that.
A smile and a self-deprecating joke - not bad for just turned 23.rembrat said:http://deadspin.com/jose-fernandez-teases-evan-longoria-after-giving-up-a-h-1734286852
Maybe we should have a thread for these kinds of interactions? Anyways there is Jose Fernandez reacting with grace and humility after giving up a bomb.