Ha, was just discussing the series with my dad earlier this afternoon, and I said he's not playing basketball out there, it's like football... and my dad was like, more like rugby. Spot on.
Highly unlikely, not typically a risk factor, though I suppose not impossible. I'm sure he will play regardless.
After each game, Steve Jones Jr. posts a ton of plays from the game. You can see that as the 538 article mentions, JB and JT were very intentional about trying to make their pass before they got too deep in the paint, basically once they saw where the help was coming from. I think Draymond in particular committed pretty early to his help.
Yeah, it definitely wasn’t 2004 as I would have remembered it being something that historic. It may be obvious but it’s important to note for historical purposes that Rocco never are the log. He got a lot of (ahem) shit over that.
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Always a great check the morning after a Cs win (and, depending on how punishment we want, after a Cs loss).
So they do drop coverage, giving Steph an open three, because they don’t want GS to pass the ball a few more times that will lead to….an open three for Steph?
Presumably he's positing that they're trading pull-ups for catch-and-shoot, along the lines of what @Eddie Jurak mentioned that Zach Lowe noted:
Is there data that show that he's (marginally) worse at pull-ups? Or is it more that they want him taking those- as compared to catch-and-shoots- because he has to expend more effort in doing so, and it's about wearing him down?
Pull up versus catch and shoot. There are numbers in the link. Those are different kinds of shots.
Well it seems like they've decided it's one or the other. So for his career it's better on catch and shoot so they are defaulting to that. You try to split the different then you can get confused. At least this way they start in a certain defense and likely adapt. That way every defender is on same page to start.
Considering how much they can (and have) drop off Draymond, they should be able to get up tight on Curry and still have a pretty good ability to cover since if Steph does beat the screen hedge, it's not really 4 on 3, it's really 3 on 3 as Draymond can be ignored (as can Looney).
For the career, Curry (like most shooters) is better on catch and shoots. Keith Smith explains some of this in his thread.
I read the thread. It's where I got all my figures (38.4 / 38.7, 4 of 7 / 14 of 30). Smith doesn't give Curry's career C&S vs. pull-up stats, so I guess we have to take his word.
Per NBA.com's excellent shots dashboard, Steph is 39% on C&S this regular season vs. 37.4% on pull-ups. A difference but a fairly small one and most years it appears to be a 2%-3% difference.
I also don't think the Cs want the other GSWs to get involved. I think the Cs are, to use a football term, trying to make GSW "one dimensional" and see if they can pressure Curry later in the game to win the 4Q.
The only way to deny Curry 3Ps is to keep the ball out of his hands, and the NBA is too good for that. It's nearly impossible for the Cs to deny Curry the ball on, for example, a handoff.
The funniest part was that it wasn’t even another poster replying to him, they just laughed at his assertion that the Celtics needed to put the ball in Rondo’s hands for end of quarter/half/game plays.The best part of the story is that he ultimately left the board that he helped create for this very same reason.
This exactly.
It’s not the offensive output per 3PFGA that’s governing this, I think, so much as they’re deliberately taking steps to wear him out. The pull up shots are more physical work, but this isn’t in isolation. Look at the way that they hunt Steph at the other end of the floor. The Celtics approach seems to be to make him work every second that he’s on the floor and force the Warriors to leave him completely gassed in the 4th quarter or take him off the floor entirely for more rest. And every minute Steph’s on the bench is a minute that the Warriors probably can’t score enough to beat the Celtics.
That’s this season including regular season, right? I wonder f the Celtics believe that there should be a more stark difference in the percentages when facing playoff-intensity defense, and more specifically, ‘22 Celtics level playoff defense. It kind of makes sense to me. If you’re constantly being bodied and having a hand right in your face, the extra comfort of being able to spot up rather than having to shoot of the dribble could be even more significant. Of course, that’s not really showing in his numbers so far this series, but that could just be SSS.
Of course, Simmons was right about the signing in the end….which is not to say he arrived at his conclusion the best way.
Which play are you referring to? I don’t ever recall commenting on a play such as this between Tatum and Draymond. I call everything the way I see it but don’t recall this play or caring much about it.
It's more meaningless in the sense that we can't be confident its a true difference versus just random variance.
Feel the same way but hoping it comes true with him not cracking 10 points in a single game this series and the Celts closing this out in 5 or 6
sorry was an old draft I forgot was there and had decided not to post—and I don’t think you commented on that specific one.
Gotcha.
My guess is Golden State will start g4 with Wiggins on Brown, Thompson on Tatum. Wiggins can keep Brown off the rim and Draymond can be on a big and closer to the rim to provide help/defensive rebounding. The question becomes whether Thompson can stay in front of Tatum. If he can, GSW are in no worse a situation than before and the Celtics will just screen Curry onto Tatum and there will either be a switch or a show/blitz.
I’m not saying your wrong, but I’m not certain about this. Some of those off the dribble threes were early in the clock. I feel like having Steph run around screens for 15 seconds before getting a catch and shoot three might take more out of him.
JVG kept calling them out for dropping on Steph, and it was interesting that and the end of the 3rd Ime said the same. Gotta get up on him.
I'm pretty sure they are rotating 4 crews, so game 5 would be the first with repeat refs.
