College Hockey Thread
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4-seed Canisius was the only underdog to win their conference final tonight, 7-2 over 3-seed Mercyhurst for the AHA auto-bid.
Union takes the ECAC 3-1 over Brown, and Wisconsin wins the WCHA 3-2 in OT over Colorado College.
If Notre Dame wins the CCHA tomorrow, the NCAA seeds look like this with #15 Yale sneaking in but #16 Western Michigan missing the cut:
1 - QU, Min, UM-L*, N.Dame*
2 - Miami, BC, UNH, N.Dak
3 - Denv, Niag, MN St, Union*
4 - St. Cloud, Wisc*, Yale, Canisius*
With the likely brackets as follows:
EAST (Providence) - 1 QU, 6 BC, 12 Union, 16 Canisius
NE (Manchester) - 3 UM-L, 7 UNH, 9 Denver, 14 Wisc
MW (Toledo OH) - 4 N.Dame, 5 Miami, 11 MN St, 13 St. Cloud
WEST (Gr Rapids) - 2 Minn, 8 N.Dak, 10 Niagara, 15 Yale
If Michigan wins, the seeds are as follows with Yale and WMU both on the outside and St. Cloud the last at-large in the field:
1 - QU, Min, UM-L*, Miami
2 - BC, UNH, N.Dak, N. Dame
3 - Denv, Niag, MN St, Union*
4 - St. Cloud, Wisc*, Mich*, Canisius*
With the brackets likely looking like this:
EAST (Providence) - 1 QU, 5 BC, 12 Union, 16 Canisius
NE (Manchester) - 3 UM-L, 7 UNH, 11 MN St, 14 Wisc
MW (Toledo OH) - 4 Miami, 6 N.Dak, 10 Niagara, 13 St. Cloud
WEST (Gr Rapids) - 2 Minn, 8 N.Dame, 9 Denver, 15 Michigan
Union takes the ECAC 3-1 over Brown, and Wisconsin wins the WCHA 3-2 in OT over Colorado College.
If Notre Dame wins the CCHA tomorrow, the NCAA seeds look like this with #15 Yale sneaking in but #16 Western Michigan missing the cut:
1 - QU, Min, UM-L*, N.Dame*
2 - Miami, BC, UNH, N.Dak
3 - Denv, Niag, MN St, Union*
4 - St. Cloud, Wisc*, Yale, Canisius*
With the likely brackets as follows:
EAST (Providence) - 1 QU, 6 BC, 12 Union, 16 Canisius
NE (Manchester) - 3 UM-L, 7 UNH, 9 Denver, 14 Wisc
MW (Toledo OH) - 4 N.Dame, 5 Miami, 11 MN St, 13 St. Cloud
WEST (Gr Rapids) - 2 Minn, 8 N.Dak, 10 Niagara, 15 Yale
If Michigan wins, the seeds are as follows with Yale and WMU both on the outside and St. Cloud the last at-large in the field:
1 - QU, Min, UM-L*, Miami
2 - BC, UNH, N.Dak, N. Dame
3 - Denv, Niag, MN St, Union*
4 - St. Cloud, Wisc*, Mich*, Canisius*
With the brackets likely looking like this:
EAST (Providence) - 1 QU, 5 BC, 12 Union, 16 Canisius
NE (Manchester) - 3 UM-L, 7 UNH, 11 MN St, 14 Wisc
MW (Toledo OH) - 4 Miami, 6 N.Dak, 10 Niagara, 13 St. Cloud
WEST (Gr Rapids) - 2 Minn, 8 N.Dame, 9 Denver, 15 Michigan
WCHA announces new playoff formats & sites
So... the league will have 10 teams next year, the top 8 of which will qualify for the 4-game first round, leaving 4 winners to play the 2-game semis and 1-game final, making 3 total games at the championship site.
Yet they're still calling it the "Final Five"?
The moniker initially referred to the number of teams in the tournament (20 years ago) but eventually became the number of games played at the final venue by the six first-round winners in a 12-team league. The trend of college sports entities desperately clinging to out-moded nonsensical "trademarks" is beyond ridiculous.
So... the league will have 10 teams next year, the top 8 of which will qualify for the 4-game first round, leaving 4 winners to play the 2-game semis and 1-game final, making 3 total games at the championship site.
Yet they're still calling it the "Final Five"?
The moniker initially referred to the number of teams in the tournament (20 years ago) but eventually became the number of games played at the final venue by the six first-round winners in a 12-team league. The trend of college sports entities desperately clinging to out-moded nonsensical "trademarks" is beyond ridiculous.
Hockey East also released some changes. They have added an extra weekend to the tournament. The top 5 teams will get byes and the bottom 6 will play a best of 3 series. The worst team left will play the #1 seed and so on and so forth. Then, the remaining 8 teams left will play quarterfinal best of 3 series.
They also released the tentative conference schedule which there is a big change. Instead of the traditional 3 conference games against each opponent, it goes down to 2.
Some key dates:
BC: at BU 11/8, vs. BU 1/17 and vs. BU in Beanpot 1st round 2/3, hosts ND last weekend of season 2/28 and 3/1
BU: first HE games without Parker: home and home with Providence 11/1 and 11/2, at ND 2/21 and 2/22
UVM: hosts ND in ND's first Hockey East games 11/1 and 11/2
ND: hosts BU, Maine, UMass, Merrimack, and Northeastern and goes to BC, UML, Vermont, UNH, and PC in their first HE season.
http://www.hockeyeastonline.com/men/pres1213/201303/mar22hea.php
They also released the tentative conference schedule which there is a big change. Instead of the traditional 3 conference games against each opponent, it goes down to 2.
Some key dates:
BC: at BU 11/8, vs. BU 1/17 and vs. BU in Beanpot 1st round 2/3, hosts ND last weekend of season 2/28 and 3/1
BU: first HE games without Parker: home and home with Providence 11/1 and 11/2, at ND 2/21 and 2/22
UVM: hosts ND in ND's first Hockey East games 11/1 and 11/2
ND: hosts BU, Maine, UMass, Merrimack, and Northeastern and goes to BC, UML, Vermont, UNH, and PC in their first HE season.
http://www.hockeyeastonline.com/men/pres1213/201303/mar22hea.php
I am so nervous and excited. We've played so well these last few weeks, but so have the Domers. The Domers kicked our asses when we visited South Bend. In fact, that's the last time we lost a game. Summerhays isn't just a good goalie, he's a beast. Michigan is gonna have to play its best game of the season to beat them.
Irish tie it up. Michigan giving Notre Dame a lot of opportunities. Gotta play more disciplined hockey.
Michigan and Notre Dame are tied 1-1 after 2. This has a next goal wins type of feel to it. Steve Racine has been absolutely tremendous for Michigan. Notre Dame has controlled the action and battered the Michigan goal with shots, and Racine has been up to the challenge. The Wolverines'll need to stay out of the box and make something happen to take this game.
At this point, I think Notre Dame takes this.
At this point, I think Notre Dame takes this.
Notre Dame scores an empty netter, and the impossible dream is over. 'grats Domer and Mr. Wednesday.
I'm going to go cry now...or actually finish my project. Probably the latter.
I'm going to go cry now...or actually finish my project. Probably the latter.
With Notre Dame finishing off Michigan, Yale sneaks in as the last at-large bid. USCHO and College Hockey News have slightly different bracket predictions out there, mostly revolving around whether North Dakota and Boston College go to Providence or Grand Rapids. Personally I think the USCHO prediction is a bit more likely, as moving BC to Providence and NoDak to Grand Rapids doesn't really mess with bracket integrity that badly.
USCHO:
College Hockey News:
USCHO:
College Hockey News:
Oh well, it was a good run for Michigan to get to where they did, after the way the season went. Notre Dame was definitely the better team today, though Racine did a good job of keeping Michigan in it. 23 years is pretty outstanding.
Nice of Michigan to save my Yale team from a 2011 Red Soxish finish to their season. Somebody used the USCHO Pairwise calculator to show that Yale had 97% of making the tournament going into the weekend. I guess they were right in the end, but two shutout loses in Yale's Atlantic City debacle are not motivating me to figure out how to get to Grand Rapids.
sachmoney said:
Thanks, y'all had a great run. I think you would have been a threat to win the tournament if you'd made it in, bad luck that you caught an ND team that's playing like they're on a mission.
I did a project in business school for one of the airlines, and one of the engineers we worked with was one of the guys who calculates the pairwise rankings. He was a real nice guy who loved hockey and devoted a lot of time outside his "real job" to the game. I always picture him and his crew excitedly pounding away on their laptops as the results come in and the brackets are finalized.
Sad to see Michigan on the outside looking in...hope Trouba and Merrill return (long shot) so the Wolverings can kick off another 20+ year streak.
Sad to see Michigan on the outside looking in...hope Trouba and Merrill return (long shot) so the Wolverings can kick off another 20+ year streak.
BC/Union, Quinnipiac/Canisius in Providence.
UML/Wisconsin, Denver/UNH in Manchester.
North Dakota/Niagara, Yale/Minnesota in Grand Rapids.
Miami/Minn St, St. Cloud/Notre Dame in Toledo.
UML/Wisconsin, Denver/UNH in Manchester.
North Dakota/Niagara, Yale/Minnesota in Grand Rapids.
Miami/Minn St, St. Cloud/Notre Dame in Toledo.
Why can't they adjust the season so there isn't a two week break between the regionals and the Frozen Four? That's always annoyed me since it kills any momentum.
They do it to avoid conflicting with the basketball final fours, don't they? I agree, it sucks balls to wait two weeks.kenneycb said:
Red(s)HawksFan said:
I'm sure that's a big part of it, but I'd rather see them add another week to the hockey regular season, or delay the start of conference tournaments by a week.
mabrowndog said:
Adding a week or delaying a week would only put the regionals on basketball's final four weekend. Not sure that's any more optimal. Maybe start the entire season a week earlier and target the weekend before the Final Four for the Frozen Four?
I wouldn't mind that either. My preferred alternative would be for CBSSN, NBCSN or FoxSports1 to gain the TV contract for the NCAA hockey postseason. But that ain't happening anytime soon.
ESPN is serving too many masters in March & April, with the men's basketball conference tournaments, the entire women's hoops tournament, and the NIT all prioritized above hockey. Hell, for the past few years they've had late-running or overtime regular season lacrosse games on ESPNU that preempted portions of the afternoon hockey playoff games. This year, 2 lax games will once again precede the hockey coverage on ESPNU this Saturday. ESPN does this because they can, and the NCAA has little or no say in the matter.
The ESPN/NCAA TV deal was scheduled to end following the 2011-12 season. But in December 2011 the NCAA decided to re-up on a 12-year extension through 2023-24. Why? Well, the Worldwide Leader likely held the NCAA hostage. The contract covers a multitude of sports -- pretty much everything but football and NCAA men's hoops. I'm thinking ESPN's pitch went something like this: "If you want us to provide a platform for all the other worthless crap, and to continue giving top billing to college lacrosse, women's softball, and the utterly unwatchable shitshow known as women's basketball, don't even THINK about saying no. It's all or nothing, and here's our price. Take it or leave it. And as far as hockey goes, we no longer give a crap about the NHL, so your ice sports will suffer the fate of association. We'll air it where we want, when we want, and then decide whether to relegate it to dial-up internet streaming. You don't like it? Tough shit. Now sign the fucking papers and get the fuck out of our offices."
With CBSSN still in its infancy, Versus still weeks away from its re-branding as NBCSN, and FS1 not even an announced entity, the NCAA apparently had little choice and nowhere else to shop ESPN's "offer". The WWL exerted its leverage, and the NCAA buckled.
ESPN is serving too many masters in March & April, with the men's basketball conference tournaments, the entire women's hoops tournament, and the NIT all prioritized above hockey. Hell, for the past few years they've had late-running or overtime regular season lacrosse games on ESPNU that preempted portions of the afternoon hockey playoff games. This year, 2 lax games will once again precede the hockey coverage on ESPNU this Saturday. ESPN does this because they can, and the NCAA has little or no say in the matter.
The ESPN/NCAA TV deal was scheduled to end following the 2011-12 season. But in December 2011 the NCAA decided to re-up on a 12-year extension through 2023-24. Why? Well, the Worldwide Leader likely held the NCAA hostage. The contract covers a multitude of sports -- pretty much everything but football and NCAA men's hoops. I'm thinking ESPN's pitch went something like this: "If you want us to provide a platform for all the other worthless crap, and to continue giving top billing to college lacrosse, women's softball, and the utterly unwatchable shitshow known as women's basketball, don't even THINK about saying no. It's all or nothing, and here's our price. Take it or leave it. And as far as hockey goes, we no longer give a crap about the NHL, so your ice sports will suffer the fate of association. We'll air it where we want, when we want, and then decide whether to relegate it to dial-up internet streaming. You don't like it? Tough shit. Now sign the fucking papers and get the fuck out of our offices."
With CBSSN still in its infancy, Versus still weeks away from its re-branding as NBCSN, and FS1 not even an announced entity, the NCAA apparently had little choice and nowhere else to shop ESPN's "offer". The WWL exerted its leverage, and the NCAA buckled.
then they should also work to not conflict with the regionals (and conferences with rounds 2-3). That's actually in some ways more of a conflict, because of more games going on.Red(s)HawksFan said:
Play the darn things on Tue and Wed, lol.
Dumb question, I'm sure. ESPN 3 is internet site, correct? My TV has wifi, but no browsing capabilities in itself. What's the best way to be able to browse on such a TV? Roku?
Also hoping out glimmer of hope the QU/Canisius matchup will be put on an actual TV channel in my cable area (I live 20 minutes from QU, 20 minutes from ESPN in Bristol). Something tells me ESPN will screw me over on this.
At least it's re-airing on ESPNU at 11:30.
Also hoping out glimmer of hope the QU/Canisius matchup will be put on an actual TV channel in my cable area (I live 20 minutes from QU, 20 minutes from ESPN in Bristol). Something tells me ESPN will screw me over on this.
At least it's re-airing on ESPNU at 11:30.
Yes, ESPN3 is online(watchespn.com). You can just hook up your computer or iPad to the TV with a simple cord. It's good quality video.Doug Beerabelli said:
ESPN3 is available if you have an XBox360 with a paid sub. Don't think Roku has an ESPN outlet. There is a WatchESPN android app that might be installable on your TV depending on make/model, but the app only works if you are a subscriber to certain cable companies (Time Warner and Comcast being the notable ones).
RedOctober probably has the simplest solution...an HDMI or DVI cable from computer/tablet to the TV will give you a good picture.
RedOctober probably has the simplest solution...an HDMI or DVI cable from computer/tablet to the TV will give you a good picture.
Thanks for the suggestions. HDMI to TV would be easy, I do have an Ipad.
JSinger, I'd love to, but timing just isn't working out due to some other obligations. If they'd done Friday, I'd be there.
JSinger, I'd love to, but timing just isn't working out due to some other obligations. If they'd done Friday, I'd be there.
@BCHockeyNews
Jerry York met with his eye surgeon this afternoon and received a great report; he'll return to lead the Eagles tomorrow
Jerry York met with his eye surgeon this afternoon and received a great report; he'll return to lead the Eagles tomorrow
Maybe someone more in the know about the calendar and regimen of a Hockey East head coach can help me out here. Wouldn't it behoove the Terriers to have him in the fold for the next month instead of twiddling his thumbs as an assistant for a last-place NHL club? Wouldn't there be some scouting/recruiting/PR/hiring work to get done?
Well, BU already has 6 guys coming in for the next class. I'm sure he can give them a call and reassure them of their place, but I doubt that things will change between now and when they enroll. I'm sure he'll take steps to set up his staff and everything. I don't think it's as big a deal as it would be in football.mabrowndog said:
They must really want a new regime to pass over Bavis like that.
Or maybe they just loved the U-17 experience or wanted pro experience.
Or maybe they just loved the U-17 experience or wanted pro experience.
mabrowndog said:
I think you've got the hostage-taking backwards. The NCAA knows that ESPN wants women's basketball badly (it's one of their highest-rated programs), so they bend the WWL over and make them televise a bunch of championships they'd rather not have to deal with. Hockey is one of the beneficiaries.
I think the week-and-a-half break is better for the Frozen Four, too. It gives the fans of the teams that are there a little more time to make travel plans, and I'd guess that the teams are happy to get the rest (though I'm sure it's not critical).
BUMP
Puck drops in Grand Rapids for Yale-Minnesota in a few minutes.
Re-posting the full weekend schedule for the first round:
Puck drops in Grand Rapids for Yale-Minnesota in a few minutes.
Re-posting the full weekend schedule for the first round:
Schedule info for the ones denoted "ESPN3" in the grid:
http://board.uscho.com/showthread.php?104419-Official-NCAA-ESPN-quot-syndicated-quot-game-thread
http://board.uscho.com/showthread.php?104419-Official-NCAA-ESPN-quot-syndicated-quot-game-thread
Anyone [else] fill out a bracket with CHN?Matt Slovin
@MattSlovin
The only Michigan block 'M' that can be found at the NCAA hockey Tournament this weekend
Bulldogs 0-for-2 on power plays so far. 13:00 left in the 1st.
USCHO live blog for Yale-Minn
GameTracker for Yale-Minn
USCHO live blog for Yale-Minn
GameTracker for Yale-Minn
Yale kills off a Gopher PP after Obuchowski got 2:00 for interference at 7:28.
EDIT - Time out while they replace a glass panel behind Minnesota's net.
EDIT - Time out while they replace a glass panel behind Minnesota's net.
Very few shots getting through. Lots of blocks.
Agostino with a nice rush, but Wilcox makes the save. 5:00 left.
Agostino with a nice rush, but Wilcox makes the save. 5:00 left.
Scoreless after 1, though the Gophers caught a post a couple moments ago. Close call.
Shots are 11-7 Yale. Bulldogs won 4 of the final 5 face-offs of the period, but MIN had a 14-8 edge.
Shots are 11-7 Yale. Bulldogs won 4 of the final 5 face-offs of the period, but MIN had a 14-8 edge.
Much faster pace this period. Gophers especially are skating with more authority. Far fewer whistles, too.
Yale's Charles Orzetti went to the box for boarding, but the Bulldogs killed it off. Shots on goal now even at 12 apiece.
Yale's Charles Orzetti went to the box for boarding, but the Bulldogs killed it off. Shots on goal now even at 12 apiece.