#DFG: Canceling the Noise

[Kull]

 
Well, we don't have an exact quote from AR, it was told secondhand, but your point is still correct.  

 
We do have a quote from Aaron Rodgers:
 

"There is, if you don't have strong grip pressure or smaller hands, an advantage to having a flat football, though, because that is easier to throw. So I think that is something they need to look at. There should be a minimum on the air pressure but not a maximum. Every game they're taking air out of the footballs I'm throwing, and I think that's a disadvantage for the way that I like them prepped."
 

 
Why would the officials "take air out of the balls" unless they were overinflated? And why take air out "every game" unless you deliberately supply overinflated balls "every game"?
 
http://espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs/2014/story/_/id/12201369/aaron-rodgers-green-bay-packers-upset-referees-take-air-footballs

 

[theapportioner]

 
Wow, the Harbaugh version of the Judas Kiss. I think our spectacle here is nearly complete

Only appropriate that the Belichick/Brady resurrection will happen on a Sunday. With Russell Wilson eaten by a swarm of locusts.

 

[theapportioner]

Edit: DP

 

[CaptainLaddie]

Edit: DP

cmon man there's enough talk about balls in this thread

 

[catomatic]

Guys, I have a mouthbreather citing all the NFL players bashing Brady—does anyone know a link to an article describing other players who have come out in support? I need ammo—gimme a clip.

 

[JerseySoxFreak]

Megyn Kelly just had a "Truth Expert" on her show who concluded both Brady and Belichick were lying at their PCs yesterday. Why would they lie unnecessarily? Does anyone know how accurate these "truth experts" are? I think it is a lot of crap that they know who is lying!

 

[Harry Hooper]

Megyn Kelly just had a "Truth Expert" on her show who concluded both Brady and Belichick were lying at their PCs yesterday. Why would they lie unnecessarily? Does anyone know how accurate these "truth experts" are? I think it is a lot of crap that they know who is lying!

 
 
Let me guess, he or she was selling a book or pitching a firm?

 

[PeaceSignMoose]

Megyn Kelly just had a "Truth Expert" on her show who concluded both Brady and Belichick were lying at their PCs yesterday. Why would they lie unnecessarily? Does anyone know how accurate these "truth experts" are? I think it is a lot of crap that they know who is lying!

 
Well Extra (or one of those shows) said Brady at least was telling the truth based on their Truth Expert, according to someone upthread.
 
In closing, Fox News should use truth experts to evaluate their own reporters.

 

[E5 Yaz]

cmon man there's enough talk about balls in this thread

 
You need to hit the red button
 
http://fun.drno.de/flash/ButtonRedBig.swf

 

[Ed Hillel]

 
Well Extra (or one of those shows) said Brady at least was telling the truth based on their Truth Expert, according to someone upthread.
 
In closing, Fox News should use truth experts to evaluate their own reporters.

We need a truth expert to tell us which truth expert is telling the truth.

 

[E5 Yaz]

Guys, I have a mouthbreather citing all the NFL players bashing Brady—does anyone know a link to an article describing other players who have come out in support? I need ammo—gimme a clip.

 
I'm more interested in who "all the players bashing Brady" are. I haven't seen much, or any, of that

 

[JerseySoxFreak]

 
 
Let me guess, he or she was selling a book or pitching a firm?

LOL!!! Yes to both. Two books, in fact!!

 

[Hoya81]

 
I'm more interested in who "all the players bashing Brady" are. I haven't seen much, or any, of that

Mostly retired players. No one wants bulletin board material for the next time the Pats come to town or they are in foxboro.

 

[ScubaSteveAvery]

Megyn Kelly just had a "Truth Expert" on her show who concluded both Brady and Belichick were lying at their PCs yesterday. Why would they lie unnecessarily? Does anyone know how accurate these "truth experts" are? I think it is a lot of crap that they know who is lying!

 
Where does one find these fake jobs, such as "Truth Expert"?

 

[Harry Hooper]

LOL!!! Yes to both. Two books, in fact!!

 
 
Did he give the Commish's public statements regarding Ray Rice the "all clear"?

 

[jimbobim]

Guys, I have a mouthbreather citing all the NFL players bashing Brady—does anyone know a link to an article describing other players who have come out in support? I need ammo—gimme a clip.

 
Just cite how most of these players hating  have been beat or outclassed by the Pats and Brady at least once during their career.  In the cases of Brunell Aikeman Bradshaw there are many concussions that seem to have addled their critical thinking areas.
 
Rodgers Hasselback leinart have all steadfastly repeated ball inflation preferences are rampant in the game....  

 

[soxfanSJCA]

 
Where does one find these fake jobs, such as "Truth Expert"?

 
Has a truth expert ever been convicted of perjury?

 

[catomatic]

Brady picked the balls he wanted before the game, they were approved by the refs, and he had limited contact with them after that.  The refs' insistence that the balls were good to go is his best friend right now.  Any alleged involvement after that his a he-said, he-said proposition.

Not to mention that during the presumably ten-minute window that Brady would have had to tamper with them after the Refs returned them to the Pats/Ball Boys—TB12 is doing other stuff at that time. He's warming up, he's on the sideline, he's not back in a room with a needle letting air out of his footballs.

 

[E5 Yaz]

 
Where does one find these fake jobs, such as "Truth Expert"?

 
markbrunell.com

 

[catomatic]

 
Just cite how most of these players hating  have been beat or outclassed by the Pats and Brady at least once during their career.  In the cases of Brunell Aikeman Bradshaw there are many concussions that seem to have addled their critical thinking areas.
 
Rodgers Hasselback leinart have all steadfastly repeated ball inflation preferences are rampant in the game....  

Thanks. Moar, I say Moar! He's relentless, he's Rasputin. I've thrown everything at him and he keeps coming. (Jets fan, no less).

 

[Doctor G]

Reading between the lines of the NFL statement, it seems strange that "(video and) other electronic information" is referenced twice, seemingly for emphasis. What "other electronic information" could be so important? If it was just still photos, they could simply say "video and still photography." Using the term "other electronic information" seems to open it up to still photos and what? Email? Computer files?

surveillance tapes of the official's locker room.

 

[Morning Woodhead]

@NEPD_Loyko: "If this was the Titans or Jaguars or Steelers or Raiders this whole thing would not even register on the richter scale" -- @AdamSchefter

Saying what we all know

 

[Hendu At The Wall]

Not to mention that during the presumably ten-minute window that Brady would have had to tamper with them after the Refs returned them to the Pats/Ball BoysTB12 is doing other stuff at that time. He's warming up, he's on the sideline, he's not back in a room with a needle letting air out of his footballs.

Well that's like, your opinion, man.

Let's not forget that the game start was delayed 10 minutes due to overtime in the NFC game...

Crosby's kick goes through the uprights.

Simultaneously, the bag of approved 12.5 psi game balls are handed off to Brady, Belichick and the ball boys, sitting in a circle in the locker room per tradition.

They exchange meaningful glances.

No words need to be exchanged.

They know how they will use the extra time.

 

[Filet-O-Fisk]

i don't know if Brady and Belichick were lying, but they were not forthcoming. For example, they didn't mention that they provided the refs with underinflated balls 2 hrs before the game, and the refs approved them, resulting in the Pats using referee-approved balls the entire game.
Moreover, the didn't mention that they have done the same thing in many if not all of their games this season, and the balls were always approved. My guess is they don't want to out the refs prior to the somewhat important game coming up. At some point, though, they will unleash this truth, which will be particularly embarrassing for the NFL and the rabid media mob.

At that point, it will be clear that Belichick was absolutely right in his belief that football air pressure is inconsequential, and that all the abuse Brady took from the media during and after his presser was utterly unjustified.

 

[riboflav]

@NEPD_Loyko: "If this was the Titans or Jaguars or Steelers or Raiders this whole thing would not even register on the richter scale" -- @AdamSchefter

Saying what we all know

 
Probably grasping but that's interesting coming from the most connected NFL journalist. 

 

[Cellar-Door]

 
Where does one find these fake jobs, such as "Truth Expert"?

Fox News has a guy who thinks them up, then they put out a casting call.

 

[catomatic]

Well that's like, your opinion, man.

Let's not forget that the game start was delayed 10 minutes due to overtime in the NFC game...

Crosby's kick goes through the uprights.

Simultaneously, the bag of approved 12.5 psi game balls are handed off to Brady, Belichick and the ball boys, sitting in a circle in the locker room per tradition.

They exchange meaningful glances.

No words need to be exchanged.

They know how they will use the extra time.

This is nothing less than a movie pitch. 

 

[Myt1]

@BenVolin: NFL clarifies that the officials re-inflated the original footballs at halftime, and that they didn’t use the backup balls

That is absolutely not a clarification, given every other report.
 
I mean, you'd almost think that sportswriters used English as an important part of their jobs.  Either nobody who is reporting on this is a native English speaker, has a clue how to use the English language professionally, or gives any fucks at all.

 

[P'tucket rhymes with...]

Thanks. Moar, I say Moar! He's relentless, he's Rasputin. I've thrown everything at him and he keeps coming. (Jets fan, no less).

Wait, Jest fan?  The proper response is to point and laugh, son.

 

[riboflav]

@NEPD_Loyko: "If this was the Titans or Jaguars or Steelers or Raiders this whole thing would not even register on the richter scale" -- @AdamSchefter

Saying what we all know

 
And how about the comeback -
 
"If it was the Steelers, they would claim it was consensual." - @6'4 Gawd B

 

[Myt1]

The tweet should read: "NFL states that the vast majority of reports have no fucking idea what they're talking about."

 

[E5 Yaz]

@NEPD_Loyko: "If this was the Titans or Jaguars or Steelers or Raiders this whole thing would not even register on the richter scale" -- @AdamSchefter

Saying what we all know

 
A voice in the wilderness
 
Makes me wonder what ESPN will be like next week when they bring back the A-list announcers

 

[catomatic]

Wait, Jest fan?  The proper response is to point and laugh, son.

Did that. He's a zombie.

 

[riboflav]

Tony Dungy, Saint of the NFL, argues that cheating may be the only way to counteract the Patriots' unfair practices in eligibility-gate.
 
http://wp.me/p14QSB-9H4p

 

[MillarTime]

Tony Dungy, Saint of the NFL, argues that cheating may be the only way to counteract the Patriots' unfair practices in eligibility-gate.
 
http://wp.me/p14QSB-9H4p

Never mind...bad moment

 

[Grimace-HS]

The tweet should read: "NFL states that the vast majority of reports have no fucking idea what they're talking about."

 
 

 
A voice in the wilderness
 
Makes me wonder what ESPN will be like next week when they bring back the A-list announcers

And if it ends up being that the balls were simply submitted at or under 12.5 psi and not properly inspected before the game, then it would be quite fun to see the attempted 180-degree turn by most of the media.  Perhaps the Patriots may then gain some supporters after all that has been speculated this week (and with a hopeful Super Bowl win).  That's at least a nice thought to round out the week.  Hopefully we get more Schefter updates that are heading in the right direction.  (serenity now, serenity now, ....)

 

[FelixMantilla]

Tony Dungy is the worst. What a disgusting human being.

 

[PeaceSignMoose]

I fucking hope we sign Michael Sam to the practice squad if only to give Dungy another reason to wail and gnash his teeth.

 

[Myt1]

Tony Dungy, Saint of the NFL, argues that cheating may be the only way to counteract the Patriots' unfair practices in eligibility-gate.
 
http://wp.me/p14QSB-9H4p

Nobody gives any fucks.
 

Total cunt.

Take it somewhere else.

 

[kartvelo]

Here's a thought experiment.

Let's say the balls were borderline or slightly under-inflated when they were submitted, the refs did a cursory physical inspection and approved them, and no tampering occurred...

What would we expect the subsequent actions of the various parties involved to look like?
 
For example, I'll start with the Pats:
Take a couple of days to make darned sure nobody did anything wrong; then issue full denials of any wrongdoing, being careful not to point fingers at anyone else.

 

[Stu Nahan]

Tony Dungy is the worst. What a disgusting human being.

His Pats CD has been skipping for a long time.

 

[doc]

Interesting that the Pats volunteered all communications from all devices. I suspect they may be asking for the same from the Colts because this was a bag job from the beginning, due to Belichick and Brady's cavalier attitude about unwritten rules against the Ravens. They knew the Pats would break the letter of the law and planned to protest at half before the first snap.
 
The press conferences by B & B and the letter by Kraft show their strategy. That is, we're tired of taking public spankings because the NFL's money-making strategists have decided to permanently put the black hat on the Patriots to the delight of 31 other teams. Fuck you, we're not taking even a nominal fine for something many teams do. You want to fuck with us? Fine - then you're also going to have to fuck with America's sweetheart, Aaron Rodgers

BB would use burner phones for this

 

[Jettisoned]

 
 
And if it ends up being that the balls were simply submitted at or under 12.5 psi and not properly inspected before the game, then it would be quite fun to see the attempted 180-degree turn by most of the media.  Perhaps the Patriots may then gain some supporters after all that has been speculated this week (and with a hopeful Super Bowl win).  That's at least a nice thought to round out the week.  Hopefully we get more Schefter updates that are heading in the right direction.  (serenity now, serenity now, ....)

 
I think it's more likely that most of them just move the goalposts and keep right on with it.  "The simple fact is the Patriots footballs were under-inflated, ergo they cheated."

 

[Old Fart Tree]

Fuck everyone and everything.

 

[E5 Yaz]

@NEPD_Loyko: "If this was the Titans or Jaguars or Steelers or Raiders this whole thing would not even register on the richter scale" -- @AdamSchefter

Saying what we all know

 
Chris Mortensen has retweeted the link to Don Banks' column lamenting how crazy the media coverage of this has become. There seems to be a schism at ESPN between those who find the entire ridiculous and those who want to feed the beast

 

[Grimace-HS]

Here's a thought experiment.

Let's say the balls were borderline or slightly under-inflated when they were submitted, the refs did a cursory physical inspection and approved them, and no tampering occurred...

What would we expect the subsequent actions of the various parties involved to look like?
 
For example, I'll start with the Pats:
Take a couple of days to make darned sure nobody did anything wrong; then issue full denials of any wrongdoing, being careful not to point fingers at anyone else.

If this were the case, then I would have to think the onus would be on the officials that approved them at the pre-game inspection.  The fines (or other penalties) I am understanding to not be if they were submitted under- or over-inflated, but if the team doctored the footballs after they were approved.  So, I'd then expect that the NFL would have to absolve the Patriots and claim that they will address the overall inspection process in the future for better quality control, but without any penalties.  This, of course, would likely be the best case scenario right now.  This is my understanding anyways. 

 

[Doctor G]

Where does one find these fake jobs, such as "Truth Expert"?

Start with a guest shot on Coast to Coast AM, then graduate to Fox News.

 

[kartvelo]

Yes, but what I mean is, would we expect them to behave as they did this week, or differently? And if differently, how?

 

[MillarTime]

Nobody gives any fucks.
 
Take it somewhere else.

Apologies. Guttural reaction.

 

[Van Everyman]

 
Chris Mortensen has retweeted the link to Don Banks' column lamenting how crazy the media coverage of this has become. There seems to be a schism at ESPN between those who find the entire ridiculous and those who want to feed the beast

I thought Banks was an SI guy.