#DFG: Canceling the Noise

Is there any level of suspension that you would advise Tom to accept?


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SumnerH

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geoduck no quahog said:
I'm confused by some of his statements and am waiting for a transcript. I don't think he was being misleading...I think it's a complicated issue.
 
1. Patriot preparation of footballs artificially raises the pressure ~1 psi. But that preparation isn't done seconds before handing the footballs over to the refs. In other words, there's time for the footballs to go back to 70 degree equilibrium. Balls should be at 12.5 when measured by the refs. If they're under, then the explanation is that the Pats own measurement was done soon after prep (i.e. - not trying to cheat). Refs are responsible for establishing 12.5
 
That's not what he said.
 

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Nick Kaufman said:
I don't like that the presser was done on the deadest time of the week to push news. I also fear the angle SNL is going to come out with, because it will probably stay with the collective consciousness.
 
Except that no one watches SNL.
 

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Nick Kaufman said:
I don't like that the presser was done on the deadest time of the week to push news. I also fear the angle SNL is going to come out with, because it will probably stay with the collective consciousness.
 
Who cares? Haters gonna hate. Pats' fans should feel 100% confident no tampering occurred and the NFL has nothing on them. There will be no significant penalties. That's all that matters. If you're trying to win a PR battle, good fucking luck.
 

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Three things the NFL can do now:
 
1. Come out quickly with a statement saying they haven't found jack shit, so the Pats won't be penalized.
 
2. Tuck their tails between their legs and drag it out until after the Super Bowl so they don't look like complete idiots.
 
3. Get pissed at being made a fool of by Bill and ramp up investigations to the point they're torturing ballboys to come up with something incriminating.
 

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Mark Schofield said:
https://twitter.com/MatthewBerryTMR/status/559093571081748481
 
After this week, da fuq you expect?
 
@MatthewBerryTMR  ·  39m 39 minutes ago
The more I hear from the Patriots about the deflate gate thing, the more guilty I think they are.
 

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It is still amazing how some media are now saying that they didn't realize how serious this was, but now were essentially taught (schooled) by Belichick.  Well, if it wasn't so serious, then why did they bring it up so much and drag the organization under the bus.  The 180-turn may be beginning.
 
What a Saturday....I missed a few hours and came on to post that we now have Bledsoe in the Brady camp:
http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patriots/2015/01/24/drew-bledsoe-pretty-mad-about-the-way-tom-brady-has-been-treated/FJv6yOlXtsEx1Bat8AKbyH/story.html?p1=feature_sec_hp
 
Apologies if it was posted earlier....I thought the Bledsoe story would be nice, but Belichick just hit a home run.
 

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The idea that this being the lead story in the nation for 72 hours is going to be undone by a SNL episode is funnier than anything actually on SNL over the past 20 years.
 

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Absolutely one of BB's finest hours. It sucks that he had to spend the better part of a week involved with this issue. And seriously, fuck all the commentators who absolutely pilloried Brady and BB over this. It was basically a week of character assassination based on totally incomplete information.
 

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Corsi said:
 
Peter King ‏@SI_PeterKing  9s9 seconds ago
Riveting and unusual and well-reasoned. With one exception: Why did the Colts footballs apparently not fluctuate the way New England’s did?
 
Did he miss the implication that perhaps the officials never really properly inflated the Patriots' footballs?  Sigh.
 
EDIT: Or simply the fact that the Patriots had no opportunity to deflate them.  Maybe "deflate-gate" just doesn't even accurately this whole story.  SoSH has it much better as Ballghazi.
 

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PedroKsBambino said:
A Pats-friendly columnist needs to write that the team having to devote time to this because league has publicized, but not effectively executed, the investigation is unfair to them.  Most will not buy it, but it is true and getting a counter-story out there has some value to the team.
 
One of the last questions was about this, but BB downplayed it. He said "I've prepared for the game a lot this week." or something. So, at the very least, BB himself isn't trying to make a big deal out of that. 
 

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Corsi said:
 
Peter King ‏@SI_PeterKing  9s9 seconds ago
Riveting and unusual and well-reasoned. With one exception: Why did the Colts footballs apparently not fluctuate the way New England’s did?
 
 
He's getting killed on Twitter for this. Many asking him what were the psi measurement of the Colts' balls pre-game. Also, accusing him of not paying attention that there could be different pre-game prep of the balls.
 

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Nick Kaufman said:
I don't like that the presser was done on the deadest time of the week to push news. I also fear the angle SNL is going to come out with, because it will probably stay with the collective consciousness.
If this past week hasn't taught you that the collective consciousness is best disregarded completely, I don't know what to tell you.
 

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The key piece for me, besides him reminding these idiots about science, was that the Patriots put it on the refs to get the balls to 12.5psi.  I'd be curious as to what happened with that.  The next PC has to be the refs/NFL.
 

Leather

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Ya but Peter King saw a red use a gauge once 4 years ago so that must be what happened.
 

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Andrew said:
 
One of the last questions was about this, but BB downplayed it. He said "I've prepared for the game a lot this week." or something. So, at the very least, BB himself isn't trying to make a big deal out of that. 
 
And he never will. This is the only no excuses team left in the NFL.
 

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I appreciate too that this puts the focus back on Belichick, and it's his press conference that is the final word on the matter, and not Brady's.
 

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ifmanis5 said:
CNN saying the exact same points right now.
then maybe they can do a fucking investigation or test.  maybe they can badger the Colts about this.  In fact, I hope this happens.
 

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I just read the last dozen pages at a mall. I didn't see it, but this read like a piece of media that needs to be in the Library of fucking Congress.

I thought Werder might've been implying the Colts proactively inflated their ball on the sideline to avoid getting the same flak as the Patriots, but that's me. King was 100% trolling, though. Also, Mad Dog Radio, both as an organization and individually, can get totally fucked.

Okay, off to get new pants.
 

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The Science Behind “Deflate-Gate”
 
The Pressure In AFC Championship Footballs Could Have Changed By 1.95 PSI From
Weather and Field Conditions
 
Pittsburgh, PA (January 23, 2015) -- HeadSmart™Labs, a Healy Ventures LLC company, today
announced findings from a study on football inflation levels in different climates. The study indicated
that the pressure in the footballs used in the AFC Championship game could have dropped 1.95 PSI
from weather and field conditions alone.
 
HeadSmart Labs set out to discover if weather during the AFC Championship Game on Sunday,
January 18 could have affected the inflation levels in the footballs. The Lab designed a study that would
simulate the external elements the game footballs were exposed to. The study encompasses the
timeframe from when referees would have initially tested the footballs prior to the start of the game, to
the time when the footballs were found to have a lower air pressure during halftime. Reports state that
when the game officials tested the New England Patriots’ footballs during halftime, 11 of the 12 were
found to have lost pressure of about 2 PSI.
 
“We took 12 brand new authentic NFL footballs and exposed them to the different elements they would
have experienced throughout the game.” said Thomas Healy, founder of HeadSmart Labs. “Out of the
twelve footballs we tested, we found that on average, footballs dropped 1.8 PSI when being exposed to
dropping temperatures and wet conditions.”
 
During testing, twelve brand new footballs were inflated to 12.5 PSI in a 75 degree Fahrenheit room.
This was to imitate the indoor conditions where the referees would have tested the footballs 2 hours
and 15 minutes before kickoff. The footballs were then moved to a 50 degree Fahrenheit environment
to simulate the temperatures that were experienced throughout the game. In addition, the footballs
were dampened to replicate the rainy conditions.
 
 

Neil ‏@RealNeilB  12m12 minutes ago
Here is the study done by HeadSmart Lab at Carnegie Mellon University exonerating the Pats: https://uploads.strikinglycdn.com/files/131228/d8f159cc-99db-47be-b8d1-1828d64dde17/HeadSmartLabs_The_Science_Behind_DeflateGate.pdf 
 

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ifmanis5 said:
CNN saying the exact same points right now.
 
Really, is the entirety of the american media brain damaged? How do you watch a press conference and miss THE ONLY point Belichick was trying to make? I mean, jesus fucking christ. Aside from that, we still have absolutely no confirmation on wether the refs actually checked the balls, so they could've been a little under inflated in the first place. 
 
Oh, and WE DON'T KNOW WHAT WERE THE INITIAL AND FINAL PSI FOR THE COLT'S BALLS.
 

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riboflav said:
 
Who cares? Haters gonna hate. Pats' fans should feel 100% confident no tampering occurred and the NFL has nothing on them. There will be no significant penalties. That's all that matters. If you're trying to win a PR battle, good fucking luck.
 
Of course the PR battle matters, otherwise, we shouldn't be bothering with this thread.
 
Also, of course SNL is culturally relevant. "I can see Russia from my house" didn't matter in putting the ultimate stamp on Palin's reputation?
 

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Sometimes you have to come up swinging, consequences be damned.  This was one of those times.  
 
Let the NFL find proof of tampering, and then show us that proof.  Otherwise, this needs to go away.  It's more and more obvious that the supposedly stringent football pressure testing protocols that are followed prior to the game are a joke.  
 
The mediots will poke holes, reading into Bill's statements random nefarious intentions that don't exist.  This will continue; Ben Volin will be all butthurt.  But I think the chances that Goodell can find his "smoking gun" have just moved from slim to none.  And I personally could care less if the Pats get fined as a result; not my money.  
 

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And what Peter King and Werder are asking isn't laughable. It came across my mind as well, before I thought that may be the Colts' balls had higher PSI pressure to begin with. But this needs to be explained and shown to most of the people, because it's not intuitively obvious.
 

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Nick Kaufman said:
I don't like that the presser was done on the deadest time of the week to push news. I also fear the angle SNL is going to come out with, because it will probably stay with the collective consciousness.
 
Good point. They should have waited until Monday morning. It's not like they have a game to plan for or anything.
 

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Nick Kaufman said:
I don't like that the presser was done on the deadest time of the week to push news. I also fear the angle SNL is going to come out with, because it will probably stay with the collective consciousness.
Who cares? As a Pats fan this satisfied me that there were no shenanigans. Who gives a fuck what anyone else thinks?
 

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Nick Kaufman said:
And what Peter King and Werder are asking isn't laughable. It came across my mind as well, before I thought that may be the Colts' balls had higher PSI pressure to begin with. But this needs to be explained and shown to most of the people, because it's not intuitively obvious.
 
Are you trolling us?
 

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Nick Kaufman said:
And what Peter King and Werder are asking isn't laughable. It came across my mind as well, before I thought that may be the Colts' balls had higher PSI pressure to begin with. But this needs to be explained and shown to most of the people, because it's not intuitively obvious.
 
But it doesn;t matter. He's not a Colts employee, or an official, or in the NFL office. He did an investigation that leads him to believe the PATRIOTS did nothing wrong, and offered some explanation how the PATRIOTS balls could have been low even though the PATRIOTS did nothing wrong. The rest is noise that he cannot know.
 

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Nick Kaufman said:
And what Peter King and Werder are asking isn't laughable. It came across my mind as well, before I thought that may be the Colts' balls had higher PSI pressure to begin with. But this needs to be explained and shown to most of the people, because it's not intuitively obvious.
It's a fair question, but it's one for the NFL or for the Colts, not for Belichick.  Even if he knew, it's probably verboten for him to comment on that.  
 
Anyone who now argues that the ball pressure for *both* teams at the start of the game is not relevant should be sent to their own private twitterverse for idiots. 
 

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rChfsndsIiA
 
Phenomenal work. I nearly spit out my water...we just have to embrace the fact that everybody fucking loves to hate us. We are the NFL's version of the nWo.