#DFG: Canceling the Noise

Is there any level of suspension that you would advise Tom to accept?


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snowmanny

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Eddie Jurak said:
Someone who is a little more physics-inclined want to comment on this? What could they do to a ball that would raise its internal pressure?
I know of certain things that can raise pressure to the point that they turn blue.
 

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PedroKsBambino said:
 
Heath Evans and Nate Burleson trying to understand physics is embarassing.  Them going to creation theory is equally so.
 
NFLN should have found an actual scientist to appear---those two are no better equipped to discuss this subject than I am to play right tackle in the super bowl.
 
FFS You don't need a scientist, you just need someone who isn't a lazy idiot. The pressure of a gas in a confined space is proportional to the temperature.  I knew this despite not digesting a single book, article or lecture on chemistry or physics for 15 years.  This is information that is taught, for free, to every teenager in the entire western world.  This shouldn't be a controversial or alien concept to anyone.
 

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This guy was raised in Annapolis at the Naval Academy. Like he doesn't have respect for the rules? He doesn't understand discipline? He's always looking to bend the rules? Fuck no. This dude loves the fucking rules and that he knows them better than anyone else and that's an edge in an of itself. 
 
He's pissed because it just shows these people don't know him AT ALL. 
 
Maybe they should have been at the Naval Academy and seen what happens when you don't follow the rules. 
 

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Valek123 said:
Close the thread, we're done here until after the superbowl, no more need to discuss this for 100 more pages. News only is all we need the rest will be this reported said this, another this, ex nfl player who played for pats this, can you believe a raven said this. My .02 of course. Let's not give in to the mediots.
 
Wrong ... a place to vent is needed
 

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njnesportsfan said:
To Patriots, "Don't get even. Get Everything."
Are you really quoting a fucking crappy Diane Keaton movie multiple times?

Got any Steel Magnolias wisdom you want to apply?
 

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A Pats-friendly columnist needs to write that the team having to devote time to this because league has publicized, but not effectively executed, the investigation is unfair to them.  Most will not buy it, but it is true and getting a counter-story out there has some value to the team.
 

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For fans-or haters- u just saw what a player sees in a heated team meeting. No BS. Pissed off. Gets to bottom of issue. And then moving on.
 

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drleather2001 said:
Are you really quoting a fucking crappy Diane Keaton movie multiple times?

Got any Steel Magnolias wisdom you want to apply?
I wasn't born and raised in this country. That was one of the first movies I watched. 
 

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Moss reporting that Carnegie Melon scientists found that the balls dropped between 1.8 and 1.95 PSI in similar conditions to the Colts game.
 

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Valek123 said:
Close the thread, we're done here until after the superbowl, no more need to discuss this for 100 more pages. News only is all we need the rest will be this reported said this, another this, ex nfl player who played for pats this, can you believe a raven said this. My .02 of course. Let's not give in to the mediots.
 
Takes a long time to light up that cigar. I'm going to let us all enjoy it a bit. 
 

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Moss said Carnegie Melon lab students were in Foxboro and conducted a test and balls dropped 1.8 to 1.95 psi
 

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Nick Kaufman said:
 
No. Here's what happened.
The Pats process to achieve desired texture artificially inflates PSI by 1. Refs get it at 12.5.
Then they play on a cold field. The PS drops by 1.5 because of the weather. But it also loses 1PSI it gained by the treatment process.
 
Then, when the ball gets back into heated offices, it gains 0.5 PSI.
This explains the lost 2PSI to a t.
 
That's not how I read it, and that physics doesn't make sense (if the difference from room temp to outdoor weather were 1.5 PSI, then it'd gain 1.5 PSI again going back inside to room temp).  My read of his claim:
 
Ball rubbed/treated, increases by 1 PSI (presumably the process gets the ball about 20F warmer than room temp)
Refs get it to 12.5--this is 12.5 at the higher temp, though.
Ball goes onto field, drops 1.5 PSI (the 1.0 from rubbing, plus .5 from the temperature difference between indoor and out)
Ball goes back inside, regains .5 PSI (the .5 from indoor/outdoor temperature, but not the rubbing difference since the ball is only going back to room temp and not to the heightened rubbed temp).
 

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I credit Bill Belichick with taking issue seriously, for obviously spending time usually devoted to SB prep to educating himself on subject
 

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That is some serious ball rubbing to raise the temperature enough to raise PSI by 1 lb and hold that heat for a while before they are pressure tested.

It is going to be really interesting to see what the NFL does. Keeping with the My Cousin Vinny are we going to get a " in light of Mr Bs testimony, the NFL would like to dismiss all charges!
 

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I'm confused by some of his statements and am waiting for a transcript. I don't think he was being misleading...I think it's a complicated issue.
 
1. Patriot preparation of footballs artificially raises the pressure ~1 psi. But that preparation isn't done seconds before handing the footballs over to the refs. In other words, there's time for the footballs to go back to 70 degree equilibrium. Balls should be at 12.5 when measured by the refs. If they're under, then the explanation is that the Pats own measurement was done soon after prep (i.e. - not trying to cheat). Refs are responsible for establishing 12.5
 
2. A 70 degree football is taken outside to 50 degree wet weather and fucked with all over the field for 2 quarters. It has not only reached equilibrium at 50, but has been manhandled.
 
3. I guess what he's saying depends on how the balls were re-measured at halftime...implication that they weren't allowed enough time to re-establish 70 degree equilibrium in the locker room (or they were measured outside).
 
4. Does that sequence explain a 1-2 psi underinflation reading? Combined with shitty gauges?
 
5. Colt's footballs are irrelevant. Different prep, different initial psi...maybe they were brought into the game at 14 psi (a la Rodgers). Refs didn't measure.
 
The refs never measured the footballs before kickoff, either team.
 
Patriots have plausible deniability on trying to game the refs by giving them under-inflated balls to check (it was the prep, not intentional)
 
It's what everyone here has been saying for 100 pages.
 

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bibajesus said:
Maybe that's why BB was late.
 
Can you imagine?
 
"Bill, we got to go, the journalists are waiting for you".
 
"Hold on, I am waiting for Vinny do that thing with the witness".
 
....
 
....
 
"Damn, I dropped cheetos crumbs on my hoodie".
 

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E5 Yaz said:
Edwerderespn Ed Werder
I credit Bill Belichick with taking issue seriously, for obviously spending time usually devoted to SB prep to educating himself on subject
 
Gee, that's big of you Ed. And to think, Belichick really doesn't give a fuck how you feel.
 

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SumnerH said:
 
That's not how I read it, and that physics doesn't make sense (if the difference from room temp to outdoor weather were 1.5 PSI, then it'd gain 1.5 PSI again going back inside to room temp).  My read of his claim:
 
Ball rubbed/treated, increases by 1 PSI (presumably the process gets the ball about 20F warmer than room temp)
Refs get it to 12.5--this is 12.5 at the higher temp, though.
Ball goes onto field, drops 1.5 PSI (the 1.0 from rubbing, plus .5 from the temperature difference between indoor and out)
Ball goes back inside, regains .5 PSI (the .5 from indoor/outdoor temperature, but not the rubbing difference since the ball is only going back to room temp and not to the heightened rubbed temp).
 
Ok, that may be, but in that account, the ball's pressure is off by 1 not the reported 2 PSI.
 

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Van Everyman said:
Moss reporting that Carnegie Melon scientists found that the balls dropped between 1.8 and 1.95 PSI in similar conditions to the Colts game.
 
 
Corsi said:
Moss said Carnegie Melon lab students were in Foxboro and conducted a test and balls dropped 1.8 to 1.95 psi
 
"Mellon".
 

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I don't like that the presser was done on the deadest time of the week to push news. I also fear the angle SNL is going to come out with, because it will probably stay with the collective consciousness.
 

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Nick Kaufman said:
I don't like that the presser was done on the deadest time of the week to push news. I also fear the angle SNL is going to come out with, because it will probably stay with the collective consciousness.
I hope we see Pete Schweddy on SNL tonight.