#DFG: Canceling the Noise
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The chants I've heard echo in brazilian soccer stadiums, man... If this shit happened here "FU Roger" would be by far the tamest thing people would sing.j44thor said:
DrewDawg said:
No. It's going to be based on the grounds identified in pages 16-18 in the Goodell opinion. Everybody read that, right?
rodderick said:
In Greek stadiums the chants would revolve mostly around his mother loose sexual history and the crowd's desire to engage in sexual intercourse with her.
With the caveat that I concur with the general consensus that we have acquiesced to here, that things have inevitably gone worse for the Patriots/Brady at every step of this saga, reading this from Florio, holy cow this seems like an open and shut case for the suspension to be vacated...
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/07/29/nflpa-sues-nfl-and-management-council-in-minnesota/
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/07/29/nflpa-sues-nfl-and-management-council-in-minnesota/
Nick Kaufman said:
Add some derrogatory comments about his sexuality and it'd be pretty similar.
Boy oh boy, the two tickets my wife got my son and I to see the opening game bs the Steelers are worth their weight in gold to me now, if for no other reason than to see/participate in the ragging that is forthcoming for Goodell.
Do the following issues matter from a legal point of view:
1. The NFLPA allegation that NFL General Counsel Jeff Pash edited the "independent" Wells report (or, as the NHLPA likes to call it, the "Wells-Pash" report)
2. The fact that at Brady's appeal, a Paul Weiss lawyer and signatory to the Wells-Pash report (I like that name) conducted witness examinations (including Brady's cross).
3. The fact that when NFLPA requested information from Paul Weiss, they were denied on the basis of privilege.
https://twitter.com/MarkSchofield/status/626545218314194949
https://twitter.com/MarkSchofield/status/626548137130377216
Or is this all basically irrelevant, NFL can do whatever crazy @#$% it wants given the CBA.
Edit: Why do I keep calling them NHLPA? Fixed.
1. The NFLPA allegation that NFL General Counsel Jeff Pash edited the "independent" Wells report (or, as the NHLPA likes to call it, the "Wells-Pash" report)
2. The fact that at Brady's appeal, a Paul Weiss lawyer and signatory to the Wells-Pash report (I like that name) conducted witness examinations (including Brady's cross).
3. The fact that when NFLPA requested information from Paul Weiss, they were denied on the basis of privilege.
https://twitter.com/MarkSchofield/status/626545218314194949
https://twitter.com/MarkSchofield/status/626548137130377216
Or is this all basically irrelevant, NFL can do whatever crazy @#$% it wants given the CBA.
Edit: Why do I keep calling them NHLPA? Fixed.
This is definitely part of it. The problem with BB and what they wanted from TB was admission of guilt. Contrition. Kissing the ring. They didn't get that before and they didn't get it now.Harry Hooper said:
That is a huge factor in the motivation to escalate this so greatly.
Speaking as a fan of a team that is not the Patriots, I sincerely hope that The Commish loses his job over this entire fiasco. This is so beyond ridiculous that were this a script for a movie it would be deemed too ridiculous and your career as a screenwriter would be over before it started.
Fire Goodell. Free Brady. Never seen so much horseshit from top to bottom in the wide world of sports in my 44 years.
Fire Goodell. Free Brady. Never seen so much horseshit from top to bottom in the wide world of sports in my 44 years.
Finally got to see this in peace and quiet.Ed Hillel said:
Interesting that he went right at the wrong Mort tweet (even said the source was from NFL, so he must think that's Kensil, not Irsay) and rightly complained about its impact and lack of correction.
Thanks to the person who linked to the petition to vacate. I'm not a lawyer but as a writing teacher it's a compelling narrative and paints a picture of an absolute circus; how the hell do people like this get to sit atop our society?
Oh, gotta also love the little digs in there such as "no one at the NFL knew there was something called the Ideal Gas Law" (point 57). Buffoons...
Oh, gotta also love the little digs in there such as "no one at the NFL knew there was something called the Ideal Gas Law" (point 57). Buffoons...
dcmissle said:
This post needs to be bronzed.
There are 31 owners in this league who are happy as pigs in shit over this. Goodell has done off the field what few of their teams could do on it; beat the Patriots.
Between the suspension and the loss of draft picks, Goodell is doing all he can to create parity in the league.
Anyone who thought when this dumpster fire started that Goodell was going to lose his job is kidding themselves; the other owners probably want to give him a raise. There is zero support for Mr Kraft, Jones came out today and again praised the commissioner. Kraft is a man on an island on this one, not a single owner feels badly for him or the Patriots.
This entire mess all started when Brady made the comment about how the Ravens should read the rulebook; Harbaugh blew a gasket, called the Colts, who called the league, who set up the sting and the rest is history.
The rest of the owners in this league have had it with the Patriots, we're talking about 31 other people who would kill to be the Patriots of the past 15 years and it jerks a knot in all of their asses that they are not.
I'm almost surprised that Kensil's "you're fucked" comment didn't make it into the petition as evidence of the league's bias.
Because this level of incompetence is primarily found with Gary Bettman and the NHLPA.Eddie Jurak said:
54th,
I do think that enough of the other owners are going to see this clown show and be concerned about it... that this system will not remain in place after the next CBA.
But you are right that if they have any feelings about the beating Brady and the Pats are taking, they are feelings of pure unadulterated glee.
I do think that enough of the other owners are going to see this clown show and be concerned about it... that this system will not remain in place after the next CBA.
But you are right that if they have any feelings about the beating Brady and the Pats are taking, they are feelings of pure unadulterated glee.
So when do we acknowledge -- intelligently, sensitively but honestly -- the racial and class undercurrents in this? They are present in the lunatic rants of SAS, the tweets of several players and, in my view, the long story of how we got to today.DrewDawg said:
People here have asked many times -- how do you make sense of the RG jihad? I have explained one theory -- it's entirely logical if it is viewed as a war on excellence in the service of the god of parity. And it is incentivized by highly paid executives and frustrated owners of less successful teams.
There is another explanation that lies in history. Remember the halcyon days of Paul Tagliabue, who I love more dearly with each passing day. He did not traffic nearly as heavily in this business of "discipline" -- and we were all better off for it.
But then something happened. There were more frequently street -- or blue collar -- crimes in the headlines. Because of the racial composition of the League, it is natural that the great bulk of them were committed by African American players. It had to stop -- in RG's view -- because all this was fucking the brand.
Fine, that is understandable. But he fucked up the discipline. It was arbitrary, capricious and often without warning, flunking every reasonable standard of fairness.
What happened then also was understandable -- RG and ownership were labeled by more than a few players as racist -- the tweets, murmuring and rants again. Well we can't have that, so RG got into the white collar crime business, with a vengeance.
First came Spygate with its over the top penalties. Then Bountygate -- driven also by legal liability worries over CTE. Now DF.
You can't go easy on this -- you have to prove that white collar crime is as bad as the stuff on the street in your estimation. (I am not racist is the message). And in not going easy on this -- or any crime -- you are enhancing the power of your office, and strengthening the owners vis a vis the players. A three-fer.
TB is not a sympathetic plaintiff for the guys in the street. He is white. He is glamorous. He is too nice. He has that wife. He wins too much. And goddamit he dissed the President and may just be a Republican. Figures. Forget he put his name on the labor lawsuit; Tom is country club.
Management, of course, loves this.
Jason Cole had a video on this earlier today (apparently he can't bother with writing up a story like a normal reporter):DrewDawg said:
https://twitter.com/jasoncolebr/status/626417556484685824
https://twitter.com/jasoncolebr/status/626417556484685824
link to tweet
Should also be noted that Ryan Clark, one of Brady's most virulent critics in the media, remains one of 11 executive committee member of the NFLPA, despite his recent retirement.
Per NFLPA website, Chris "Patriots are habitual line steppers" Canty is the player rep for the Ravens. Dwayne Allen and D'Qwell Jackson, of the now infamous AFCCG INT, are the reps for the Colts (Vinatieri & Hasselbeck are also NFLPA execs).
NFLPA exec committee: https://www.nflpa.com/about/nflpa-officers/executive-committee
NFLPA player reps (2014-15): https://www.nflpa.com/about/nflpa-officers/board-of-player-reps
Well, RG certainly can't be seen as going easy on the white boy.
BTW, following Prodigal Sox suggestion, there is a probable Troy Vincent/ Stephen A Smith connection--both Philly sports scene stars 1996-2004, Inquirer and Eagles.
BTW, following Prodigal Sox suggestion, there is a probable Troy Vincent/ Stephen A Smith connection--both Philly sports scene stars 1996-2004, Inquirer and Eagles.
By system, do you mean the system where the commissioner hands out suspensions, then when the suspensions are appealed, he can elect to sit in on the appeal as the arbitrator/ruling party and deny the appeal.Eddie Jurak said:
If so, that's one Hell of a broken toilet of a system.
How the NFLPA allowed that gem to slip past the goalie and be written into the CBA is beyond my comprehension.
lambeau said:
Is this related to his radio show today? Prior to changing the station I listened to him compare Brady's "weak" defense to an apology from a serial adulterer and then an interview with an alleged pedophile.
Recap:
1. Removing talking heads, lawyers, and people with degrees who want to get on TV, the real science indicates that balls were not deflated, as can be proved in less than 3 minutes with a wet football dropped fom 73 to 53 degrees: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Gd0kGhIcF4
2. There is no hard evidence that footballs were ever tampered with after measurement by refs.
3. The only substantive evidence of wrongdoing was a ballboy taking a 90-second bathroom break, and a months-earlier text message that includes the word "deflator".
4. The best science indicates that the balls in the game in question were inflated properly: http://www.aei.org/publication/deflating-deflategate/
5. Tom Brady turned over all his cell phone records, which is more than was required, but also threw away ("destroyed") his old cell phone.
Did I get any of that wrong?
1. Removing talking heads, lawyers, and people with degrees who want to get on TV, the real science indicates that balls were not deflated, as can be proved in less than 3 minutes with a wet football dropped fom 73 to 53 degrees: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Gd0kGhIcF4
2. There is no hard evidence that footballs were ever tampered with after measurement by refs.
3. The only substantive evidence of wrongdoing was a ballboy taking a 90-second bathroom break, and a months-earlier text message that includes the word "deflator".
4. The best science indicates that the balls in the game in question were inflated properly: http://www.aei.org/publication/deflating-deflategate/
5. Tom Brady turned over all his cell phone records, which is more than was required, but also threw away ("destroyed") his old cell phone.
Did I get any of that wrong?
Maybe add that the Patriots firing of the 2 ball boys is not an admission of guilt. They were stealing equipment and demonstrated that they knew it was against policy. They had derogatory things to say about the Patriots starting quarterback. There is also evidence that suspending / firing these individuals was a minimum expectation of the league. Finally, the Patriots can not publicly address this issue without potential legal ramifications.yep said:
ESPN is at least carrying one viewpoint that calls out what a big deal Kraft's response is:
http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/172620/robert-kraft-ready-to-fight
natpastime162 said:
And it seems clear that Vincent has failed the straightforward and scrupulous test on numerous occasions.
“@TomPelissero: More from Jeffrey Kessler here on Tom Brady’s phone, the league’s case and where Roger Goodell may have gone wrong: http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/patriots/2015/07/29/tom-brady-deflategate-union-nflpa-appeal-jeffrey-kessler/30854665/
Kessler spoke with the author of this piece
Kessler spoke with the author of this piece
Right, but I think they quickly realized that they can't then claim it was an independent investigation. If I'm not mistaken, that announcement was the last time Pash's name was ever mentioned in conjunction with the report.Crazy Puppy said:
ilol@u said:
He's not coming. The Scarborough, ME story is the first shot of a month-long "security concerns" campaign. Ultimately, the Commish will issue a statement that he doesn't want his presence and required ultra-security measure to distract from the Pats raising their banner. Yes, he gets to take a shot at New England and its unhinged fans in the process.
Can people please not post the same posts to this and the legal thread? It's confusing as hell. And annoying.
I hope to hell that the judge allows communications with Wells in discovery. You just know that there are awesome nuggets just waiting to be heard that speak to the partiality of the Wells report.Ed Hillel said:
Not sure if it would ever get exposed because he was probably always shielded by his legal counsel, Pash, but I'd bet a lot of money that Goodell himself gave notes on drafts of the Wells report.
