Actually the whole interview with Dowd, the man who prepared the investigation report on Pete Rose, is on video. Doesn't feel the evidence matches the punishment.
#DFG: Canceling the Noise
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Dowd is excellent. Have a listen. "What's odd here is that Tom has now been convicted and suspension upheld on a charge that he had no notice of. You can't do that....its fundamentally unfair."scotian1 said:
It wasn't about those 3 texts. That's what some people here surmised because it seemed fishy that 3 were missing...until they realized those 3 missing texts could be explained away by timing of phone possession.DavidTai said:
The reason for wanting Brady's phone is still the same as we knew it 2 days ago. The NFL wanted to go on a fishing expedition. They also knew there was a very good possibility that they would not obtain the texts because Yee/Brady already said so and the NFLPA wouldn't want to either. Then they could hang him with non-cooperation in the court of public opinion if not court of law.
Well he did deflate balls. Brady wanted them at 12.5 and I'm sure they don't come that way out of the box. Doesn't mean he deflated them after the officials' inspection.HomeBrew1901 said:
Except that the Patriots response to the Wells Report stated that he called himself the Deflator because he was on a diet.Prodigal Sox said:
HomeBrew1901 said:
Wasn't the theory that "deflator" was related in some way to the inflated look of juiced up football players? Jastremski worked out a lot and wanted to look that way, in contrast Jastremski joked that he would rather be deflated because he is, as you say, a portly fellow on a diet.
That would explain the weight loss angle, and explain two other things. One, that there was one and only one use of the word "deflator", because it was a simple one-time joke. Two, the date of the text - May 9, 2014 when no games were going on and the AFC Championship wasn't even a glint in Tom Brady's eye.
It's almost as if people use choose words because they have double meaning.HomeBrew1901 said:
troparra said:
I really don't care, this whole thing is a travishamockery and I'm just having fun with some of the side show stuff.djbayko said:
HomeBrew1901 said:
Actually, the Patriots response was that they asked him what the term meant and that his response was that he called himself that because he was on a diet.
Wells didn't ask him why he used the term because Wells couldn't be bothered to look at texts from 2014 prior to his interview with the man.
The phone issue is a solid, solid gut punch from a legal standpoint. If the "on or about" language is acurate regarding the timing, it's the sort of thing that could hurt Brady a little by making him seem less than saintly or a medium amount by at least hinting that an adverse inference could be found.There is no Rev said:
Leaking it prematurely, however, while priming the pump of public opinion, could really backfire, because it continues a very obvious narrative about the NFL's misbehavior, starting with the Mort leaks and the failure to correct.
If Kraft goes to war with Goodell, he loses and sells the team. It's a no win situation for him - if he could have won, he already would have.
I think he'll either slink back into the hole he hid in last May, and continue being "in the club" albeit powerless, or he will join battle, lose, and wind up selling the team.
I think he'll go option 1.
I think he'll either slink back into the hole he hid in last May, and continue being "in the club" albeit powerless, or he will join battle, lose, and wind up selling the team.
I think he'll go option 1.
Right. Roger completely ignores where the duty to cooperate comes from. The only reference in the entire opinion is without a citation. But, it is a memo to NFL owners regarding NFL employees. It's clear, that NFL employees are not the same as NFL players. If that were not the case, then the CBA would be worthless. So, I don't think there is any duty whatsoever for any NFL player to cooperate in any NFL lead investigation. Therefore, as I and I think is Mike McCain is now saying too, have tried to say before, there is absolutely no requirement for Tom Brady to have provided his phone. Therefore, he could have brought the phone to the hearing and smashed it with a hammer in front of Roger right before he took out his very big penis and Peed on top of it while while holding a match to Rogers picture. That should have the same bearing on whether or not he is suspended as failing to turn over text messages.There is no Rev said:
There's nothing to prevent Kraft to go "Al Davis" on Goodell or the NFL. Basically be a big pain in the craw. That will not force him to sell the team no more than it forced Al Davis to sell the Raiders.Eddie Jurak said:
Brady and the NFLPA have filed in Minnesota. Doty not assigned initially. Case is with Judge Richard Kyle.
I'm not trying to pick you out, but this comment is reminiscent of many on this thread; have any one of you actually met Bob Kraft? He's a much better person than that.Ed Hillel said:
http://deadspin.com/taste-roger-goodells-wrath-with-our-nfl-punishment-gene-1720846778
Roger Goddell random punishment generator.
Roger Goddell random punishment generator.
I don't understand much about "the 32", the politics of The Shield's office in NYC, the court system in labor (or anti trust) law, how to shape public opinion, or even if public opinion is important.
But, I follow football, and I know Kraft's six minute pre-season speech is exactly what this team needed to keep focused and win again in 2015. He has his players' backs, and they have their marching orders. The Patriots have a clear vision and chain of command. Bill's little how-to-handle-the-press clinic after it was a perfect exclamation point and a model for his players and staff to follow.
I love this team.
Some part of this score is going to be settled on the field. I can't wait for football.
But, I follow football, and I know Kraft's six minute pre-season speech is exactly what this team needed to keep focused and win again in 2015. He has his players' backs, and they have their marching orders. The Patriots have a clear vision and chain of command. Bill's little how-to-handle-the-press clinic after it was a perfect exclamation point and a model for his players and staff to follow.
I love this team.
Some part of this score is going to be settled on the field. I can't wait for football.
Sample size and all that, but I would prefer Berman. Vastly perhaps. Does the NFL voluntarily dismiss it's SDNY complaint?
As noted in companion thread, if this 78 year old has a clear sense of right and wrong re things like evidence spoiliation, we have a big problem.
As noted in companion thread, if this 78 year old has a clear sense of right and wrong re things like evidence spoiliation, we have a big problem.
Apparently has previously recused himself from NFL antitrust case in 2011
https://twitter.com/BobMcGovernJr/status/626512624373661696
https://twitter.com/BobMcGovernJr/status/626512624373661696
MarcSullivaFan said:
Really DO appreciate the insights from the legal SoSHers, but I can't help but think back to all the high regard ladled on Wells when he was named to head the investigation.
Addendum: someone or someones need to dig into Berman's footbal fan allegiance.
Really good point. I thought exactly the same thing about Bill Belichick's impromptu press conference the week before the Super Bowl.SamK said:
That could easily be part of Kraft's motivation, and I'd much rather believe that reasoning rather than "impotent rage".
Cops are now protecting RG's house from the angry mob: http://www.pressherald.com/2015/07/29/scarborough-police-watch-over-roger-goodells-home-on-prouts-neck/
As far as the NFL's timing of the decision yesterday, please take note that it was done right before BB would have to make an appearance before the press. From day night 1 of this whole thing, every move, every leak, every announcement has been designed to inflict maximum pain on the Pats. This is all coming right from the Commish.
I just hope the fans have some signs and chants for Goodell ready to go on opening day. Will be hilarious to see the lengths the broadcast would go not to give them any exposure.
I'm betting he will be hanging out in San Francisco pimping the 50th Super Bowl. They have already split some of the normal opening night festivities.ilol@u said:
I would think failing to notify TB that not turning over his phone device would result in penalty.Eddie Jurak said:
Eddie Jurak said:
I believe it has to do with the fact that Wells and RG never intimated that Brady would get in any trouble whatsoever for his level, or lack thereof, of cooperation. My understanding is that the NFLPA may feel like it was a set-up. Tell Brady behind closed doors that he cooperated and thank him for all his efforts. Then, boom - suspended and fined for not cooperating.
EDIT: See post 1044 for John Dowd's take.
Hard to tell what motivates some people.ilol@u said:
There are people that revel in the animosity if they think their cause is righteous.
Or
believe that failing to show is sign of cowardice/giving in to the lesser rabble that don't know what I do or appreciate it enough.
There are plenty of personality traits that could make someone want to show up knowing it will be hostile. Some might even revel in it.
HomeBrew1901 said:
If "having fun" is splashing the pot Teddy KGB-style with endless negative-value posts and "I'm just a caveman" devil's advocacy, then mission accomplished.
soxhop411 said:
Well that looks damn awful, but isn't surprising. I wonder how they got that. Wonder what else they'll find out in discovery.
Eh, when the NFL announced back in January they were bringing in Wells, they specifically said the investigation was being led by Pash and Wells.soxhop411 said:
Link: http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/01/23/nfl-issues-statement-on-deflategate-investigation/
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Marciano490 said:
riboflav said:
ifmanis5 said:
There was pre-hearing briefing on this, and Goodell addressed it in his opinion.
With his typical hand waving of not credible concern or I just reject it.
Wells invoking privilege when asked details concerning investigation is another one he just waved away.
Wells invoking privilege when asked details concerning investigation is another one he just waved away.
Ah, that makes way more sense.Omar's Wacky Neighbor said:
Edit: Of course, if they had given Brady such notice, wouldn't that be part of NHLPA complaint?
