#DFG: Canceling the Noise
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Joe D Reid said:
One of the driving forces behind the USFL's legal strategy was Donald Trump. Concrete evidence that Berman hates America.
BigSoxFan said:
Bruschi's credibility in this case is helped by his stance on Goodell prior to deflategate. Even still most people will just dismiss everything he says, but its nice that Shefter is on his side. Wonder if Teddy will be pushed aside soon and Shefter told to quiet down, seems like the ESPN way.
The rodent really does have a room temperature IQ. From his column today:
Amazing to think that someone who has followed this case from the beginning - and who has a history of questioning the NFLs "independent" investigations - would not consider the possibility that... gee whiz... maybe the NFL had a reason for withholding evidence.
Asshole.
But later in the column he does make an interesting point, by quoting Jerry Jones:
Amazing to think that someone who has followed this case from the beginning - and who has a history of questioning the NFLs "independent" investigations - would not consider the possibility that... gee whiz... maybe the NFL had a reason for withholding evidence.
Asshole.
But later in the column he does make an interesting point, by quoting Jerry Jones:
This could be viewed as kind of an admission from Jones that this whole thing was bullshit... but if Kraft supported Jones getting hammered for a "salary cap violation in an uncapped year" than why should JJ oppose Kraft getting a bullshit penalty? Maybe Kraft, like Goodell, has been hoisted on his own petard.
Right, no one else stood up for Washington and Dallas, New Orleans, or Miami. But perhaps at this point the owners may begin to collectively realize that the league is consistently wrong on all of these issues.
That's all well and good, but I'd feel better about that point if the cowboys organization had gotten reamed to the level of a 1st and a 4th and one million dollars. (Or anything close.)
Edit: or anything close. And typos.
Edit: or anything close. And typos.
tims4wins said:
Yeah, but "the league" is simply a proxy for the collective will of the owners in at least some of these cases. This is certainly so the salary cap case when the owners wanted to collude to keep salaries down in the uncapped year.
William Rhoden of the NY Times continued to cover himself in excrement. It's appalling how badly professional writers are performing when it comes to this story. The comments section is closed on his column, so I guess it isn't that appalling. Rhoden's doing his job, getting clicks, because he's nothing more than a troll.
My God. That paragraph is brutal.
My God. That paragraph is brutal.
I'd like to ask people like him exactly how much air they think the ballboys released. If they answer 0.5 psi or less I'd like to ask them if they actually think that amount makes any difference at all and is worthy of such a conspiracy. If they answer more than 0.5 psi I'd say OK you're right they took out (say) 1.0 psi...but the numbers don't support that so when did they add air back in?
To me, the assumption that these writers believe what they are writing about DeflateGate is faulty. In a lot of cases, the writers don't give a shit what they are even saying. As long as they get Patriots fans to call/write/email/tweet about their articles, they win. The single worst thing that can happen to guys like William Rhoden is silence.
If you don't believe me, these national media types are saying the exact same thing:
http://grantland.com/the-triangle/nfl-deflategate-sports-media-roger-goodell-tom-brady-new-england-patriots/
At this point, a lot of us need to grow some thicker skin. These buffoon sports writers/radio hosts are just busting our balls, and a lot of people are falling for the trap. Brady isn't going to miss a game. Who gives a shit what these old, fat jock sniffers think? At this point, you just have to laugh at people who think the Earth is flat.
If you don't believe me, these national media types are saying the exact same thing:
http://grantland.com/the-triangle/nfl-deflategate-sports-media-roger-goodell-tom-brady-new-england-patriots/
At this point, a lot of us need to grow some thicker skin. These buffoon sports writers/radio hosts are just busting our balls, and a lot of people are falling for the trap. Brady isn't going to miss a game. Who gives a shit what these old, fat jock sniffers think? At this point, you just have to laugh at people who think the Earth is flat.
What a great image, the Commish as the drunk, abusive parent who every so often hauls off and smacks the kids around for no good reason. Just take it for the good of the family. Roger really does own the domestic violence space.
tims4wins said:
Washington and Dallas may have experienced penalties out of proportion to their acts, but they clearly were 'wrong' too. That is quite different from the Pats, and at least somewhat different than NO or Miami. It's unfortunate people are treating these things as having similar culpability--they simply do not.
And point out that they are claiming that a 280 lb man did it in a 5 square foot bathroom stall, with a clumsy bag of balls, a needle or gauge of some sort, nailed the amount of air to take out precisely becaue Brady was such a demanding perfectionist, and did all of this in 100 seconds with the pressure of "the AFC Championship starts in 10 minutes" looming over the part-time ball boy making $8 an hour.snowmanny said:
EDIT: pressure comment
the comments section for this story has over 600 comments.. click the icon in the top right corner of the page.. pretty much TGG stuff one would expectjohnmd20 said:
That was great, but I did cringe when Tedy said "they caught us taping signals, fine." about Spygate. Come on Tedy, just add the "from the wrong location in the stadium." Please.ifmanis5 said:Here is the Bruschi segment with Shefter and Ley on SportsCenter Thursday morning. I filmed it off my computer screen and the fan was going pretty loud so it sounds terrible, but you'll get the idea.
Enjoy it before ESPN makes me take it down.
How is what they did "wrong?" They refused to go along with collusion, isn't it the other 30 teams that were wrong, they just managed to get away with it? Or do you mean "wrong" in the sense that they went against Goodell and the rest of the cartel?PedroKsBambino said:
It really wasn't wrong. They directly defied the mandate that Goodell had layed out about it all though. That is why they got the smackdown. You don't fuck with Roger.HowBoutDemSox said:
And Kraft, pretty clearly from JJ's quote, called him and told him to shut his face and take his medicine, which is why Jerry must be bullshit at this outcome, rightfully so IMO.
The league (commissioner and management council) issued multiple memos which said that transactions during the uncapped year could not impact other years. That is not about the uncapped year---that is about impact on other years (where there would be a cap)
Wash and Dallas ignored that and structred (or restructured, in some cases) deals that blatantly violated that directive.
So the question becomes how we interpret the term 'uncapped year' and while I don't love the result, the only legal, logical place to do so is one of the entities which said not to do exactly what Dallas and Washington did.
They were wrong. And, the punishment was (imo) far too heavy for the situation. But it also is materially different from a team that did not do anything wrong.
Wash and Dallas ignored that and structred (or restructured, in some cases) deals that blatantly violated that directive.
So the question becomes how we interpret the term 'uncapped year' and while I don't love the result, the only legal, logical place to do so is one of the entities which said not to do exactly what Dallas and Washington did.
They were wrong. And, the punishment was (imo) far too heavy for the situation. But it also is materially different from a team that did not do anything wrong.
Hoya81 said:
The approval is, as its been explained to me, ministerial and not a projection of of future salary cap impacts.
Put another way, if you sign a deal with a balloon payment in year two it will be approved---but you still have the balloon payment.
In Formula 1 news, Lewis Hamilton won today's Italian Grand Prix. Why am I posting this here? Because he might be disqualified on account of one tire being under-inflated by 0.3 psi:
http://www.bbc.com/sport/live/formula1/32543096
#DFG comes to F1!
http://www.bbc.com/sport/live/formula1/32543096
#DFG comes to F1!
I know I shouldn't, but I read comments to get a sense of the public sentiment and I was encouraged to note that on the first day, the "reader picks" comments were almost universally against Rhoden. Same is true for Powell's companion piece. Of course the full set had plenty of "cheatriots" BS.
Interestingly (at least that I could see on my phone) neither piece had any "NYT picks."
Interestingly (at least that I could see on my phone) neither piece had any "NYT picks."
Wasn't the uncapped year the last one under the CBA? I don't see how the Commissiner and management council have the right to unilaterally decide what teams can spend in the years following the uncapped year when there was no CBA in place, unless I'm missing something. Isn't the CBA the only thing that keeps any kind of salary agreement among the teams from being illegal antitrust behavior?PedroKsBambino said:
Anyways, this is off topic, so I'll shut up on this now.
Great post. Too bad its going to be ignored by many reading this thread. They will just keep making their lists.GBrushTWood said:
HowBoutDemSox said:
The problem is that the CBA included the process to resolve disputes (including ambiguity of terms) which left the commissioner and management council with the ability to do exactly what they did in this case. Then, while there could have been a grievance, the NFLPA acquiesced to these penalties effectively as part of the next CBA.
So while I understand the characterization of them 'breaking the cartel' and of it being unfair, it simply is a fact that the process for determining what was and was not allowed that last year was the only available one, and the teams who spent in ways that impacted other years knew what they were doing was against what any party to the CBA (past or future) envisioned or agreed to at any point in time.
In other words, if you have notice and do the act, and neither of the entities who signs the CBA agrees with your interpretation, you have lost and can't credibly argue that losing is unfair. The scale of the penalties, on the other hand, one can argue were too stiff.
Still don't understand what the NFLPA got in return for passing up a fairly actionable (and potentially winnable) claim of collusion. Unless they were going to get even more destroyed in the last CBA, and they traded the collusion claim to get slightly less destroyed (which doesn't bode well for any hopes of them doing well in next CBA so they better win the 2nd Circuit appeal.)
With some trepidation, I turned on The Sports Reporters. Rhoden was not there. It was remarkably bearable.h8mfy said:
Thursday is soon. I think they'll take their bloodied noses home. At least until TB has an off day, if TB has an off day.
I do not know if they truly had a viable collusion claim; however, blowing up the league is not really in the interests of the players either. I think it was a pretty cynical thing all around----the league was colluding, the Redskins and Cowboys knew they were trying to gain an advantage other teams did not have, and the union decided that taking the money (because the money spent by those teams during uncapped year was just 'extra' as it turned out) and the safety of another CBA was better than risking destroying the money cow.
I have no problem believing that Kraft was one of the owners who told JJ and Snyder to accept the penalties.
I have no problem believing that Kraft was one of the owners who told JJ and Snyder to accept the penalties.
Yeah, the jackals will circle if Brady shows any weakness in his game. This thought turns my stomach. Then, I remember how good he is at quarterbacking and I feel much better.
DeJesus Built My Hotrod said:
What's your point? Calling out writers who are either being willfully obtuse or showing gross incompetence with regards to the facts isn't a crime.
I don't either. Say what you want about Jerry Jones, but he is not a guy who goes around making public statements to the detriment of other owners. At several points in this saga, he did to the detriment of Kraft. So it seems quite plausible to me that JJ received at least one sanctimonious phone call from Kraft about the cap penalties.
Kraft continues to get zero sympathy from me. I'm pissed about the lost draft picks because it hurts the team, but this was a fair comeuppance from Bawb's standpoint.
Kraft continues to get zero sympathy from me. I'm pissed about the lost draft picks because it hurts the team, but this was a fair comeuppance from Bawb's standpoint.
I hear you both. Personally, it's just much easier to laugh and brush it off when friends and acquaintances are trolling than when national/local types are trolling. For the latter, 75% of the readers thinks it's serious journalism and believes most every word. For many, it might be one of the only writers they ever get their news from or one of the few articles they ever read on the subject. Yeah, it's still a waste of time and energy to get ticked off about it but nothing about the entire experience of being a sports fan is rational to begin with.DeJesus Built My Hotrod said:
Unrelated to DFG, but related to message boarding: Can someone remove the poll from this thread?
This is why so much media shade is thrown at Brady, and the entire Patriots organization, since about 2004. This team disrupted the narrative.There is no Rev said:
Fans hating on the Patriots is understandable. But Peyton was supposed to be the wunderkind who would come in and avenge poor ol' Archie, while running the aesthetically pleasing offense that would rack up multiple titles, and be the face of the league for the new century.
Once the Patriots won that 3rd title, a combination of looking for the next big thing combined with the realization that this awww-shucks 2nd generation superstar might not lead the charge into the 21st century really pissed off a lot of media types. Especially since it came at the hands of someone no-one really discussed prior to 2001, and a curmudgeonly coach who would never give them a good sound bite that would generate hot takes.
Spygate and now Deflategate gave them an opportunity for catharsis.
https://mobile.twitter.com/FeitsBarstool/status/640198529454080001
Maybe Brady was apologizing on facebook for non ironically owning this hat and appearing in Ted 2 and Entourage: The Movie.
Maybe Brady was apologizing on facebook for non ironically owning this hat and appearing in Ted 2 and Entourage: The Movie.
I turned on TSR but just caught the end of the deflategate discussion. What did Bob Ryan have to say? Can't find a replay.dcmissle said:
Except for the part where these lazy writers and tv talking heads actually shape public opinion on this matter. This thread calling BS on these people for misleading and polluting the discourse is actually constructive and needed.DeJesus Built My Hotrod said:
Yet here we are. Even after a large amount of vindication, we remain, "whiny and delusional Pats fans," in the eyes of the outlying public. Of course there are going to be writers who troll us just for the fun of it. And there are going to be writers who are targeting their own fan base. If they piss you off, skip 'em.
They trashed the League and RG. Enterprise entirely broken on this front. No credibility. Mocked "integrity" posture. Said "allegedly" with regard to TB's and team's misdeeds and trivialized them. None of this "innocence not proven" nonsense. Treated opinion as if it were vintage Mike Tyson uppercut.Al Zarilla said:
Saunders, Ryan, Lupica and another guy whose name escapes me but was very good.
Obviously, hate blinded Rhoden was absent.
1. Tom Brady testified in a federal court, under oath, that he had absolutely nothing to do with any football deflation scheme.
— Bill Simmons (@BillSimmons) September 6, 2015
2. So why do certain media types continue to insist *something* happened? They really think Brady would risk perjury/jail over this? Morons.
— Bill Simmons (@BillSimmons) September 6, 2015
— Bill Simmons (@BillSimmons) September 6, 2015
2. So why do certain media types continue to insist *something* happened? They really think Brady would risk perjury/jail over this? Morons.
— Bill Simmons (@BillSimmons) September 6, 2015
Exactly. It is a complete waste of time and misdirected energy at this point. I listened to Felger and Mazz for a bit a couple of years ago, mainly to expose them. Once they were exposed to everyone's satisfaction, I pretty much haven't been back since.ipol said:
