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BernieRicoBoomer said:Win.
AB in DC said:
The other thing to do is to create a definitive list of (a) false statements issued by the NFL, or people paid by the NFL; and (b) false statement in the media that are almost certainly attributable to folks in the NFL front office. I mean, people finally realize that Goodell & co screwed up, but most folks understand the depths of their deceptions, This is the time for someone to really lay it out there.
Joe D Reid said:Interesting factual nugget: Judge Berman began his career with the law firm that represented the NFL in the USFLs antitrust suit, and got a result that essentially ran the USFL out of business.
I mean, Berman personally had nothing to do with that, either. But as long as we're linking back to institutions.
BigSoxFan said:I disagree. He really embarrassed himself during the ENTIRE segment. What an absolute hack. Yes, Bruschi can't talk about this objectively but a host from ESPN, a network that has a major vested interest in the NFL looking as good as possible, can?
Amazing to think that of all the nonsense we’ve put up with in DeflateGate — ball inflation procedures, “more probable than not,” destroyed cell phones, The Deflator, the Ideal Gas Law, the American Enterprise Institute, Mona Lisa Vito, published e-mails, non-cooperation, appeals and lawsuits — that this whole thing came down to Goodell making an inappropriate link to steroid use, the refusal to make [NFL executive vice president and general counsel] Jeffrey Pash available, and the refusal to share a few attorney notes.
Would Brady still be exonerated had the NFL not botched two or three of those issues? Had they simply made Pash available to testify on June 23 and shared its notes, would Brady still be serving a four-game suspension?
The NFL showed an incredible ability to shoot itself in the foot, and displayed an incredible lack of awareness by not trying to settle on a one-game suspension when it had the chance.
This could be viewed as kind of an admission from Jones that this whole thing was bullshit... but if Kraft supported Jones getting hammered for a "salary cap violation in an uncapped year" than why should JJ oppose Kraft getting a bullshit penalty? Maybe Kraft, like Goodell, has been hoisted on his own petard.“I can speak to that because on a personal basis as well as for my franchise and our Dallas Cowboys franchise, we’ve had that happen to us. I’m sitting there living with the result of the commissioner’s decision still today that I didn’t agree with when it happened. And so some of the very people sometimes that have the biggest complaints, they’re the ones who give you a phone call and say, ‘Hey let’s be a team player now and let’s all get in here and realize that this happens to everybody and let’s go on and compete. We’ve got a great league and a great game.’ ”
And that’s a big reason why the Patriots’ team penalties were so harsh — a $1 million fine and the loss of first- and fourth-round draft picks. The Krafts were always at the front of the line telling other owners to accept their punishment for the good of the game. This time, it was the Krafts’ turn to suck it up and take their medicine.
tims4wins said:Right, no one else stood up for Washington and Dallas, New Orleans, or Miami. But perhaps at this point the owners may begin to collectively realize that the league is consistently wrong on all of these issues.
I tend to think that the Wells report was more right than wrong when it concluded that it was “more probable than not” that two Patriots employees deliberately released air from Patriots game balls last January when New England routed Indianapolis and advanced to the Super Bowl. I also tend to agree that Brady at the very least had some cursory knowledge that air was being taken out of the footballs he was using.
Anybody who has had to write about Deflategate has grumbled about the experience. But Kravitz is evidence that Deflategate has been nothing less than a full-employment act for the sports media: seven and a half months of hot takes, scoops, conspiracy tracts, anti-Goodell jeremiads, explainers on the ideal gas law, and — on Wednesday, as if to prove that not everything had been said — a casual suggestion by a Boston TV host that Roger Goodell should be murdered.
“The New England Patriots have done more for national sports radio than any other team, I believe, in history,” Michael Harrison, the editor of the trade magazine Talkers, told me earlier this year. Kravitz said, “It’s the gift that keeps on giving.”
tims4wins said:Right, no one else stood up for Washington and Dallas, New Orleans, or Miami. But perhaps at this point the owners may begin to collectively realize that the league is consistently wrong on all of these issues.
And point out that they are claiming that a 280 lb man did it in a 5 square foot bathroom stall, with a clumsy bag of balls, a needle or gauge of some sort, nailed the amount of air to take out precisely becaue Brady was such a demanding perfectionist, and did all of this in 100 seconds with the pressure of "the AFC Championship starts in 10 minutes" looming over the part-time ball boy making $8 an hour.snowmanny said:I'd like to ask people like him exactly how much air they think the ballboys released. If they answer 0.5 psi or less I'd like to ask them if they actually think that amount makes any difference at all and is worthy of such a conspiracy. If they answer more than 0.5 psi I'd say OK you're right they took out (say) 1.0 psi...but the numbers don't support that so when did they add air back in?
the comments section for this story has over 600 comments.. click the icon in the top right corner of the page.. pretty much TGG stuff one would expectjohnmd20 said:William Rhoden of the NY Times continued to cover himself in excrement. It's appalling how badly professional writers are performing when it comes to this story. The comments section is closed on his column, so I guess it isn't that appalling. Rhoden's doing his job, getting clicks, because he's nothing more than a troll.
My God. That paragraph is brutal.
That was great, but I did cringe when Tedy said "they caught us taping signals, fine." about Spygate. Come on Tedy, just add the "from the wrong location in the stadium." Please.ifmanis5 said:Here is the Bruschi segment with Shefter and Ley on SportsCenter Thursday morning. I filmed it off my computer screen and the fan was going pretty loud so it sounds terrible, but you'll get the idea.
Enjoy it before ESPN makes me take it down.
How is what they did "wrong?" They refused to go along with collusion, isn't it the other 30 teams that were wrong, they just managed to get away with it? Or do you mean "wrong" in the sense that they went against Goodell and the rest of the cartel?PedroKsBambino said:
Washington and Dallas may have experienced penalties out of proportion to their acts, but they clearly were 'wrong' too. That is quite different from the Pats, and at least somewhat different than NO or Miami. It's unfortunate people are treating these things as having similar culpability--they simply do not.
It really wasn't wrong. They directly defied the mandate that Goodell had layed out about it all though. That is why they got the smackdown. You don't fuck with Roger.HowBoutDemSox said:How is what they did "wrong?" They refused to go along with collusion, isn't it the other 30 teams that were wrong, they just managed to get away with it? Or do you mean "wrong" in the sense that they went against Goodell and the rest of the cartel?
Doesn't the league office have to approve the deals? Why approve them and then fine them later?PedroKsBambino said:The league (commissioner and management council) issued multiple memos which said that transactions during the uncapped year could not impact other years. That is not about the uncapped year---that is about impact on other years (where there would be a cap)
Wash and Dallas ignored that and structred (or restructured, in some cases) deals that blatantly violated that directive.
So the question becomes how we interpret the term 'uncapped year' and while I don't love the result, the only legal, logical place to do so is one of the entities which said not to do exactly what Dallas and Washington did.
They were wrong. And, the punishment was (imo) far too heavy for the situation. But it also is materially different from a team that did not do anything wrong.
norm from cheers said:the comments section for this story has over 600 comments.. click the icon in the top right corner of the page.. pretty much TGG stuff one would expect
johnmd20 said:
I know there are a lot of comments, but it has since been closed.
Hoya81 said:Doesn't the league office have to approve the deals? Why approve them and then fine them later?
from that article:GBrushTWood said:If you don't believe me, these national media types are saying the exact same thing:
http://grantland.com/the-triangle/nfl-deflategate-sports-media-roger-goodell-tom-brady-new-england-patriots/
editors note: it's spelled grift.Its been a gift, Shaughnessy said.
Wasn't the uncapped year the last one under the CBA? I don't see how the Commissiner and management council have the right to unilaterally decide what teams can spend in the years following the uncapped year when there was no CBA in place, unless I'm missing something. Isn't the CBA the only thing that keeps any kind of salary agreement among the teams from being illegal antitrust behavior?PedroKsBambino said:The league (commissioner and management council) issued multiple memos which said that transactions during the uncapped year could not impact other years. That is not about the uncapped year---that is about impact on other years (where there would be a cap)
Wash and Dallas ignored that and structred (or restructured, in some cases) deals that blatantly violated that directive.
So the question becomes how we interpret the term 'uncapped year' and while I don't love the result, the only legal, logical place to do so is one of the entities which said not to do exactly what Dallas and Washington did.
They were wrong. And, the punishment was (imo) far too heavy for the situation. But it also is materially different from a team that did not do anything wrong.
Great post. Too bad its going to be ignored by many reading this thread. They will just keep making their lists.GBrushTWood said:To me, the assumption that these writers believe what they are writing about DeflateGate is faulty. In a lot of cases, the writers don't give a shit what they are even saying. As long as they get Patriots fans to call/write/email/tweet about their articles, they win. The single worst thing that can happen to guys like William Rhoden is silence.
If you don't believe me, these national media types are saying the exact same thing:
http://grantland.com/the-triangle/nfl-deflategate-sports-media-roger-goodell-tom-brady-new-england-patriots/
At this point, a lot of us need to grow some thicker skin. These buffoon sports writers/radio hosts are just busting our balls, and a lot of people are falling for the trap. Brady isn't going to miss a game. Who gives a shit what these old, fat jock sniffers think? At this point, you just have to laugh at people who think the Earth is flat.
HowBoutDemSox said:Wasn't the uncapped year the last one under the CBA? I don't see how the Commissiner and management council have the right to unilaterally decide what teams can spend in the years following the uncapped year when there was no CBA in place, unless I'm missing something. Isn't the CBA the only thing that keeps any kind of salary agreement among the teams from being illegal antitrust behavior?
Anyways, this is off topic, so I'll shut up on this now.
With some trepidation, I turned on The Sports Reporters. Rhoden was not there. It was remarkably bearable.h8mfy said:I know I shouldn't, but I read comments to get a sense of the public sentiment and I was encouraged to note that on the first day, the "reader picks" comments were almost universally against Rhoden. Same is true for Powell's companion piece. Of course the full set had plenty of "cheatriots" BS.
Interestingly (at least that I could see on my phone) neither piece had any "NYT picks."
DeJesus Built My Hotrod said:Great post. Too bad its going to be ignored by many reading this thread. They will just keep making their lists.
I hear you both. Personally, it's just much easier to laugh and brush it off when friends and acquaintances are trolling than when national/local types are trolling. For the latter, 75% of the readers thinks it's serious journalism and believes most every word. For many, it might be one of the only writers they ever get their news from or one of the few articles they ever read on the subject. Yeah, it's still a waste of time and energy to get ticked off about it but nothing about the entire experience of being a sports fan is rational to begin with.DeJesus Built My Hotrod said:Great post. Too bad its going to be ignored by many reading this thread. They will just keep making their lists.
This is why so much media shade is thrown at Brady, and the entire Patriots organization, since about 2004. This team disrupted the narrative.There is no Rev said:
They wanted it to be Peyton Manning.
It was supposed to be Peyton Manning.
I turned on TSR but just caught the end of the deflategate discussion. What did Bob Ryan have to say? Can't find a replay.dcmissle said:With some trepidation, I turned on The Sports Reporters. Rhoden was not there. It was remarkably bearable.
Thursday is soon. I think they'll take their bloodied noses home. At least until TB has an off day, if TB has an off day.
Except for the part where these lazy writers and tv talking heads actually shape public opinion on this matter. This thread calling BS on these people for misleading and polluting the discourse is actually constructive and needed.DeJesus Built My Hotrod said:Great post. Too bad its going to be ignored by many reading this thread. They will just keep making their lists.
They trashed the League and RG. Enterprise entirely broken on this front. No credibility. Mocked "integrity" posture. Said "allegedly" with regard to TB's and team's misdeeds and trivialized them. None of this "innocence not proven" nonsense. Treated opinion as if it were vintage Mike Tyson uppercut.Al Zarilla said:I turned on TSR but just caught the end of the deflategate discussion. What did Bob Ryan have to say? Can't find a replay.
It was former Boston Herald reporter Howard Bryant.dcmissle said:They trashed the League and RG. Enterprise entirely broken on this front. No credibility. Mocked "integrity" posture. Said "allegedly" with regard to TB's and team's misdeeds and trivialized them. None of this "innocence not proven" nonsense. Treated opinion as if it were vintage Mike Tyson uppercut.
Saunders, Ryan, Lupica and another guy whose name escapes me but was very good.
Obviously, hate blinded Rhoden was absent.
Exactly. It is a complete waste of time and misdirected energy at this point. I listened to Felger and Mazz for a bit a couple of years ago, mainly to expose them. Once they were exposed to everyone's satisfaction, I pretty much haven't been back since.ipol said:Yet here we are. Even after a large amount of vindication, we remain, "whiny and delusional Pats fans," in the eyes of the outlying public. Of course there are going to be writers who troll us just for the fun of it. And there are going to be writers who are targeting their own fan base. If they piss you off, skip 'em.
No, he didn't.Hoya81 said:1. Tom Brady testified in a federal court, under oath, that he had absolutely nothing to do with any football deflation scheme.— Bill Simmons (@BillSimmons)]