#DFG: Canceling the Noise
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https://twitter.com/WALLACHLEGAL/status/640711592234086405soxhop411 said:
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So. This won't cause another media circus......
And cue the defamation talk
Somebody lock this fucker. We won. Huge. No reason to keep going down this rabbit hole. Reacting to every fuck-wit troll in the media seems beneath us.
It should be locked because you want it to be? Yes, we won (for now, hopefully forever), but it was one of the biggest news stories - not just sports - of the year, and there is still fallout to be discussed.cornwalls@6 said:
You are free to ignore the thread.
Yeah, but if you are invested in this place, just ignoring shit you think doesn't meet our signal to noise standard isn't really good enough. It feels like we're just circle jerking on this issue now.djbayko said:
No, sorry guys. What made this place what it is, IMHO, was the commitment of all posting members to push hard for high standards in what we do. I don't think rinse/repeat regarding everyone who says something bad about the Patriots makes for particularly compelling reading. If the thread doesn't get locked, so be it. But I would hope every here will always be engaged in quality control, and speak up when they think when they think we're not hitting the mark.
BigSoxFan said:
Why should they? Do you want them to Do Their Jobs, or spend their time reading sports pages and baseball message boards?
Ed Hillel said:
Do you like whacking a hornet's nest with a stick? Why or why not?
The commissioner will be the one deciding the Patriots' punishment for their next (inevitable) infraction. How many years do you want to do without a #1 pick?
Bill Burr's latest Monday Morning Podcast focuses on Deflategate venting, if you'd like something to listen to for your commute.
https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/monday-morning-podcast/id480486345?mt=2&i=351307634
Mods: Feel free to move this if appropriate. I figured there would be enough interest to not bury it in Omar.
https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/monday-morning-podcast/id480486345?mt=2&i=351307634
Mods: Feel free to move this if appropriate. I figured there would be enough interest to not bury it in Omar.
I thought Roethlisberger's comment about football PSI from the ESPN article was interesting:
Brady said the following during his appeal testimony:
Brady was roundly ridiculed and basically called a big fat liar by Felger, Mazz, and other mediots for saying that he didn't know or care about the PSI in his footballs until after the Jets game. I wonder, will these same people now call Roethlisberger a liar for saying basically the exact same thing?
I know it shouldn't be shocking when sports media types are exposed as having no frigging idea what they are talking about. I guess what bothers me about many in the local Boston media during this story is how downright eager they were to cast aspersions at Brady and the Patriots at every possible opportunity. Brady says, under oath, that he never really cared about the PSI in his footballs. Do they just take that statement at face value, and say, "Hmm, interesting. Didn't know that." Nope. LIAR.
Brady said the following during his appeal testimony:
Brady was roundly ridiculed and basically called a big fat liar by Felger, Mazz, and other mediots for saying that he didn't know or care about the PSI in his footballs until after the Jets game. I wonder, will these same people now call Roethlisberger a liar for saying basically the exact same thing?
I know it shouldn't be shocking when sports media types are exposed as having no frigging idea what they are talking about. I guess what bothers me about many in the local Boston media during this story is how downright eager they were to cast aspersions at Brady and the Patriots at every possible opportunity. Brady says, under oath, that he never really cared about the PSI in his footballs. Do they just take that statement at face value, and say, "Hmm, interesting. Didn't know that." Nope. LIAR.
Did you miss the entire WellsReportContext thing? Kraft obviously decided it was worth going down that road and, once he did, he should have done it right. Demonstrating the effects of the IGL would have been quite tame compared to much of the stuff on that website.
Bingo.Gorton Fisherman said:
A result of this story is that I have come to HATE a good portion of the Boston media (and appreciate the likes of Tom Curran, Matt Chatham and Mike Reiss even more). Just yesterday there were two very similar articles in the Globe emphasizing the lack of an innocence finding by Berman and including the now familiar lament that, regardless of everything, the Pats were deflating the balls. Both include the familiar lines that it was a misdemeanor offense...but that allows the authors to be one of the cool kids regarding Goodell and still effectively declare Brady a liar.
I get it when guys who are pandering to the local market do that. Gregg Doyel, Bob Kravitz and Steve Serby are pathetic fools...but at least they are playing to their readers. The only reason for a guy in Boston to go there is ignorance, stupidity or the desire to play the non-toadie contrarian. I mean, yeah, someone might just honestly think it, but a thoughtful person looking at this would at least acknowledge that it's just one possibility and not so regularly hammer the "something was going on" theme.
This thread is like the town dump. It's better to pile all the trash in one place then let it dirty the town.cornwalls@6 said:
The thread isn't open forever, but it's open for now. Move along.
Volin blocked him so Howe went off:Bleedred said:
https://twitter.com/jeffphowe/status/640722840791199744
https://twitter.com/jeffphowe/status/640722840791199744
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https://twitter.com/jeffphowe/status/640726126164353025
https://twitter.com/jeffphowe/status/640726126164353025
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https://twitter.com/jeffphowe/status/640727721866330112
https://twitter.com/jeffphowe/status/640720771850051585
https://twitter.com/jeffphowe/status/640721115145469952
https://twitter.com/jeffphowe/status/640722090371489792
https://twitter.com/jeffphowe/status/640722510582030344
https://twitter.com/jeffphowe/status/640722840791199744
https://twitter.com/jeffphowe/status/640744703126863872
I don't know if this is the right forum, but this is not much ado about Brady
UNFUCKINGBELIEVABLY PETTY
http://scores.espn.go.com/blog/new-england-patriots/post/_/id/4784859/tom-brady-left-out-of-nfl-promotional-piece-for-super-bowl-50
UNFUCKINGBELIEVABLY PETTY
http://scores.espn.go.com/blog/new-england-patriots/post/_/id/4784859/tom-brady-left-out-of-nfl-promotional-piece-for-super-bowl-50
Yesterday's MMQB
"The league got what it deserved, and I sense even some hard-liners in the league now are not convinced Tom Brady cheated. I’ve had a couple of club people who for months believed Brady must be guilty of something significant and now are questioning whether he directed any Patriots employees to do anything illegal." Peter King (emphasis his)
http://mmqb.si.com/mmqb/2015/09/06/super-bowl-50-prediction-ravens-packers-nfl
"The league got what it deserved, and I sense even some hard-liners in the league now are not convinced Tom Brady cheated. I’ve had a couple of club people who for months believed Brady must be guilty of something significant and now are questioning whether he directed any Patriots employees to do anything illegal." Peter King (emphasis his)
http://mmqb.si.com/mmqb/2015/09/06/super-bowl-50-prediction-ravens-packers-nfl
Well, if these "hard-liners" had any brains and reading comprehension, they would have known the bolded statement a long time ago.norm from cheers said:
Yep. Even crazy, out-of-control bomb-throwers like Mike Reiss have seen fit to comment on it.AB in DC said:
http://espn.go.com/blog/new-england-patriots/post/_/id/4784859/tom-brady-left-out-of-nfl-promotional-piece-for-super-bowl-50
In truth, this story probably wouldn't have blown up if not for the utterly inexplicable inclusion of Carson Palmer in the promo.
bankshot1 said:
Anything that BB can use to get the team fired up week to week works for me. Though I suspect this group, this year, won't need anything more than is already stored up.
Turning this into something to be offended about entirely misses the point.
The point is that it is inconceivable that the NFL, or any other organization having any connection to the NFL, could put out a promotional piece with the top QBs in the game without including Tom Brady in the top 7 unless the motivations were down to pettiness. There can be no other explanation.
To me, this is just one of many examples of the NFL acting vindictively and in an otherwise indefensible manner toward Tom. This does not offend me. I have come to expect this behavior.
But in the wake of the NFL just suffering an embarrassing and public defeat at the hands of Tom and the NFLPA, I am glad that people pointed it out. I enjoy seeing Roger and his minions act like little boys, as they have once again.
The point is that it is inconceivable that the NFL, or any other organization having any connection to the NFL, could put out a promotional piece with the top QBs in the game without including Tom Brady in the top 7 unless the motivations were down to pettiness. There can be no other explanation.
To me, this is just one of many examples of the NFL acting vindictively and in an otherwise indefensible manner toward Tom. This does not offend me. I have come to expect this behavior.
But in the wake of the NFL just suffering an embarrassing and public defeat at the hands of Tom and the NFLPA, I am glad that people pointed it out. I enjoy seeing Roger and his minions act like little boys, as they have once again.
TheoShmeo said:
To me, the most likely explanation is actually not pettiness, it is that they knew the promo would run this week and they were expecting Brady to be suspended at the time. It would be a little weird to have the promo running with a guy currently suspended for cheating.
Of course, the assumptions embedded there were false...
Doug Baldwin shits in the NFL for that tweet:
https://mobile.twitter.com/dougbaldwinjr/status/640722542051758080
https://mobile.twitter.com/dougbaldwinjr/status/640722542051758080
This is Jr high girl level stuff. At least we know it won't become an overblown motivational tool in the locker room. Wonder if Rodney Harrison will come out of retirement for this season.
BTW, posting Brady onto that Bill Murray 'oh no he didn't' GIF from Kingpin would make my day.
BTW, posting Brady onto that Bill Murray 'oh no he didn't' GIF from Kingpin would make my day.
I had not thought of that. Good point. Very often, incompetence -- not adjusting the promo when the facts changed, in this case -- is a better explanation than a conspiracy theory. That said, I love that the explanations are down to pettiness and incompetence. Either one makes RG look terrible, and I am in love with anything that does that.PedroKsBambino said:
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OK, I know that some will say "nothing to see here," and that very well could be true, but does anyone think there is anything significant to Tom thanking his friends, his family and Bob Kraft, for their support during the DG ordeal, and not mentioning Bill?
On the one hand, it's dangerous to overly parse these kind of comments. Athletes say things and often without special planning. On the other hand, the omission seems obvious and a little glaring, and from the very beginning, Bill distanced himself and has characteristically never said anything much in defense of Tom on this (as it's not relevant to the next game).
To be clear, the ONLY way this would matter would be if it impacted their working relationship -- which seems HIGHLY doubtful given their shared competitiveness and their long course of dealing together -- or Tom's desire to sign another deal in NE. So please don't misinterpret the question as a "hair on fire" type issue. It is not that, in my view. It is just something I noticed as was wondering if others had, too, etc.
CoffeeNerdness said:
mean and/or integrity-threatening tweets...what are those worth, 2 games, 3 tops?
I admire your dedication to the cause but imho, you need to take a break from this topic. Brady won and he is playing in the season opener in three days. At this point we should all simply be excited about that and should stop looking for more problems whether it be stupid social media or PR statement oversights.TheoShmeo said:
At this point, we are all able to multi-process. I could not be happier that Tom is playing Thursday night. Noting the failure to mention Bill should have been understood with the caveats I mentioned. It probably is not a big issue, and it very well could be a complete non-issue, but anything that might impact the Pats' ability to succeed going forward interests me.DeJesus Built My Hotrod said:
To be sure, things like the offense line looking shaky in the pre-season, Stork not being at practice yesterday, the potential and perhaps likely drop off at corner and that 4 skill guys from last year's SB squad (Vereen, LaFell, Blount and Develin) will not be on the field with Brady on Thursday all concern me quite a bit more than this issue or non-issue. But again, we're all nimble enough to be delighted at our good fortune with Berman and excited about the opener and, at the same time, able to note concerns, big and small.
DeJesus Built My Hotrod said:
Stop policing the thread and stop using the global "we". You don't speak for everyone and it's annoying as all hell. Don't come into the thread if you don't want to read about it. It really is not that difficult.
I'd love to see a win expectancy graph, starting with the 1st snap of the Super Bowl, and ending (I hope) with Berman's decision. I want that printed on a tshirt.
I'd just like to say that, thanks to this place and, perversely, thanks to Goodell and #DFG, this has been the most enjoyable Super Bowl victory imaginable.. This is like a Nolan Ryan type of record. There is no way that another Super Bowl lasts 7 months. The interception, the hard count/offsides, and then the loooong slow march downfield for the judicial victory.
It has been one single victory (with many ups and downs), and that's how I choose to remember it.
I'd just like to say that, thanks to this place and, perversely, thanks to Goodell and #DFG, this has been the most enjoyable Super Bowl victory imaginable.. This is like a Nolan Ryan type of record. There is no way that another Super Bowl lasts 7 months. The interception, the hard count/offsides, and then the loooong slow march downfield for the judicial victory.
It has been one single victory (with many ups and downs), and that's how I choose to remember it.
Let me get this straight - its ok for people to speculate that Brady might have deliberately omitted mentioning his coach because he did, indeed do so. However, many of us were upset when others speculated that Brady was responsible for deflated footballs because there were, indeed footballs that appeared to be deflated. Does that make sense?johnmd20 said:
Furthermore, is it not lost on you how hypocritical it is of you to tell me to stop thread policing? Put me on ignore please. I was trying to be polite but I was simply trying to suggest that TheoShmeo was looking for something that is more than likely not there. But again, please put me on ignore and we will all be happier.
I posted one of King's quotes from this interview over in the thread dedicated to him being a pathetic writer but some of the quotes here are incredibly damning.
On if the NFL sought out national writers like himself to push its agenda: “The narrative looks awful. I agree. I’m not denying that. And I honestly can’t tell you categorically you’re wrong, because I don’t know if you’re wrong. I don’t know if you’re right or wrong. But it’s disappointing, obviously.”
Translation- Like Mort I wouldn't say we were sought out. Rather, we called the league office,hell maybe even had separate conference calls White House style, and dutifully transcribed what we were supposed to.
And then this one where he has his come to jesus moment on getting more than one source before running with info. I mean has journalism school really scrapped the get multiple source for something big rule ?
On if he has been more careful about quoting sources since his Deflategate debacle: “Absolutely. I can’t say that in strong enough terms, that I believe that in the next — like in today’s column I wrote a little bit about what I’m hearing around the league. Honestly, I’m hearing 10 times more than what I wrote. But quite honestly, it was almost tortuous for me over the weekend to not write a bunch of the things that I’ve heard, because if I hear them from one person now, even if it’s one person who I’ve trusted in a huge way. Honestly, I don’t mean to say I’m running scared. I don’t mean that at all. I mean that unless I get two people from now on, I’m just not going to write it. I’m just simply not going to write it. Even though I had gotten to the point with quite a few people around the league that if they say it, to me it was gospel. … And that’s probably good for journalism, quite honestly.
http://itiswhatitis.weei.com/sports/newengland/football/patriots/2015/09/07/peter-king-on-dc-acknowledges-mistakes-in-deflategate-coverage-i-dont-have-any-defense-for-it/
On if the NFL sought out national writers like himself to push its agenda: “The narrative looks awful. I agree. I’m not denying that. And I honestly can’t tell you categorically you’re wrong, because I don’t know if you’re wrong. I don’t know if you’re right or wrong. But it’s disappointing, obviously.”
Translation- Like Mort I wouldn't say we were sought out. Rather, we called the league office,hell maybe even had separate conference calls White House style, and dutifully transcribed what we were supposed to.
And then this one where he has his come to jesus moment on getting more than one source before running with info. I mean has journalism school really scrapped the get multiple source for something big rule ?
On if he has been more careful about quoting sources since his Deflategate debacle: “Absolutely. I can’t say that in strong enough terms, that I believe that in the next — like in today’s column I wrote a little bit about what I’m hearing around the league. Honestly, I’m hearing 10 times more than what I wrote. But quite honestly, it was almost tortuous for me over the weekend to not write a bunch of the things that I’ve heard, because if I hear them from one person now, even if it’s one person who I’ve trusted in a huge way. Honestly, I don’t mean to say I’m running scared. I don’t mean that at all. I mean that unless I get two people from now on, I’m just not going to write it. I’m just simply not going to write it. Even though I had gotten to the point with quite a few people around the league that if they say it, to me it was gospel. … And that’s probably good for journalism, quite honestly.
http://itiswhatitis.weei.com/sports/newengland/football/patriots/2015/09/07/peter-king-on-dc-acknowledges-mistakes-in-deflategate-coverage-i-dont-have-any-defense-for-it/
BB took time out of prepping for the freaking Super Bowl to address the issue more thoroughly than most people did in the 7 months that followed. Anyone that still thinks he threw Tom under the bus is a Mort at best and a Tom Jackson at worst.
TheoShmeo said:
I know you're just speculating, but I'll stake my SOSH reputation that you're off base. Like, way off. That relationship, as it's almost always been, is rock solid.
And personally, I think Bill is just fine with his name being kept out of the press. The less people talk about him, the happier he is.
Yeah, fair. I still think there may be more to it than just an omission but your point is well taken.Jed Zeppelin said:
I think some people spend way too much time worrying about what's an appropriate question. Tom didn't mention Bill. Might mean something, might not. If you think it's a non-issue, or that it is nothing -- a possibility that my post noted -- just say it.
And talking about the NFL's promo thing is totally in bounds. It's been called out by sports writers and players, and in the wake of the NFL's asswhipping at the hand of Tom Brady, it was more than a little bit amusing that Tom would be omitted. And that's coming from a person who thinks that PedroKsBambino is likely on the money.
I think you're being awfully harsh on King. He's as connected as they come but he's also willing to float the idea on a local radio station that he's been used. Has Mort done that? Mort won't even go on local radio and defend himself never mind suggest that he was wrong.jimbobim said:
We've always thought the man was a giant boob of a mouthpiece -- and we might have been partially right about the man, but if I had to choose between right and wrong - I'd choose wrong.
Obviously he's parsing his words and being careful on both sides but it's more introspection and transparency than we've seen from anybody else. He's not my favorite writer or analyst but I have some respect for him now where I used to have none.