Joe Nocera of the NYT is coming up on WFAN with Ricard Neer.
Edit:No he's not. He was just referencing his story.
Edit:No he's not. He was just referencing his story.
Last edited:
I don't want to take away from your overall post (even though I'm tired of thinking about it), but is the bolded true? Haven't signals been made obsolete, except in rare cases like headset outages?Can anyone explain why reporters, even good reporters, still get Spygate wrong and describe it as the Patriots illegally videotaping opponents' signals... as if every NFL team doesn't tape opposing teams' signals every game. They still do.
The truth isn't that complicated: the Pats videotaped opposing teams signals from a prohibited location. How hard is that to understand?
Like I said, rare cases. The signals in question were to call in the plays. There's a captain on each side of the ball who has a direct mic line to the sidelines now.Wouldn't signals be useful when there is too much noise?
Teams can count on the headsets going down without warning in every stadium. Signals are still used in those scenarios and I'm assuming that while the defensive "play" is called on the head set signals and updates to specific position groups may still be used. Eg. Secondary coach reacting to a formation and signaling his guys.Like I said, rare cases. The signals in question were to call in the plays. There's a captain on each side of the ball who has a direct mic line to the sidelines now.
I understand. It's still rare enough that the effort might not be worth it - they can focus those minds on more meaningful areas of game preparation. When they go out, it's not always for a whole quarter or half. The reason I raised this is because I thought I had read somewhere that the practice wasn't really done anymore. In any case, it seems we're all just guessing until someone finds some recent quotes.Teams can count on the headsets going down without warning in every stadium. Signals are still used in those scenarios and I'm assuming that while the defensive "play" is called on the head set signals and updates to specific position groups may still be used. Eg. Secondary coach reacting to a formation and signaling his guys.
Also if you're the Steelers you don't worry about signals and just complain/blame the other team
Anyone with a functioning synapse in their brain knows that so long as Roger Goodell fails to resign, he does not care one whit about the integrity of the game.
that reporter will be taken out by security for questioning the integrity of the gameThe fact the NFL didn't keep the data is pretty clear evidence that they knew it would tell a story they did not want to hear, isn't it?
A reporter with stones should ask Goodell "Roger, you cited Tom Brady's desctruction of his cell phone as evidence of his guilt. You have now stated that the league intentionally destroyed the evidence of this year's checks of football PSI in different weather and temperature conditions. Why shouldn't we conclude that this is evidence that the data was unfavorable to the league?"
It would look like that scene in Scanners.The fact the NFL didn't keep the data is pretty clear evidence that they knew it would tell a story they did not want to hear, isn't it?
A reporter with stones should ask Goodell "Roger, you cited Tom Brady's desctruction of his cell phone as evidence of his guilt. You have now stated that the league intentionally destroyed the evidence of this year's checks of football PSI in different weather and temperature conditions. Why shouldn't we conclude that this is evidence that the data was unfavorable to the league?"
Actually, it was reported that the footballs were taken out of play at halftime (because the NFL knew the balls would be out of spec) and new balls introduced into the game. Which is why the second half kickoff went flying through the end zone despite the temperature.Follow-up question for you, Roger. By "no violations," does that mean no footballs measured below 12.5 psi this season, even in Minnesota playoff game where it was reported that the balls were tested?
I'm curious how one would come to learn that's the reason. Another possibility is that they actually measured the balls. According to their new procedure, they would then need to remove the first half footballs from play.Actually, it was reported that the footballs were taken out of play at halftime (because the NFL knew the balls would be out of spec) and new balls introduced into the game. Which is why the second half kickoff went flying through the end zone despite the temperature.
It's all about the integrity.
I'm sure Roger re-ran the models given to the NFL by Exponent and everything checked out okay ;-)The most glaring part is that by rulebook definition there had to have been several games with violations as any ball under 12.5 is a violation, and from my previous research in one of these threads, there were a good amount of games with the right conditions to drop the balls below 12.5.
The minnesota playoff game being a prime example.
I think it's in the week-long Pats-Broncos pre-AFCCG thread, but I'm pretty sure the NFL announced prior to the games that a second set of footballs would be rotated into service for the 2nd half of playoff games, regardless of the findings of the measurements involving the first-half footballs.I'm curious how one would come to learn that's the reason. Another possibility is that they actually measured the balls. According to their new procedure, they would then need to remove the first half footballs from play.
http://operations.nfl.com/the-game/gameday-behind-the-scenes/nfl-game-ball-procedures/
Not sure what you mean, but perhaps I was not clear.I'm curious how one would come to learn that's the reason. Another possibility is that they actually measured the balls. According to their new procedure, they would then need to remove the first half footballs from play.
http://operations.nfl.com/the-game/gameday-behind-the-scenes/nfl-game-ball-procedures/
Yes, Harry Hooper clarified above, thanks! I wasn't aware that it was announced on the broadcast. I assumed it was some reporting after the fact.Not sure what you mean, but perhaps I was not clear.
On the broadcast it was revealed the the NFL expected the balls to be out of spec at halftime due to the extreme temperatures and so they had a duplicate set of balls they were prepared to insert into the game.
The difference in the kicking game from the the 2nd to 3rd quarters was obvious to this observer.
the NFL is starting to have the integrity of the IOCAt a Tuesday press conference, NFL executive V.P. Brian Rolapp said that the league will consider allowing players and coaches to view video generated during a given game. Rolapp explained that preseason and Pro Bowl testing has allowed the league to determine that, technologically, it can be done.
Whether the league can permit coaches and players to view video is a different question from whether it should.
“Let’s make sure that whatever we do, that the focus is still the human competition,” Rolapp said after the event, via the Associated Press. “We don’t want it to replace the human competition because that’s what people still want to watch.”
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/02/02/nfl-to-consider-putting-video-on-sideline-tablets/
So, we don't want them filming the opposing sidelines for use in future weeks, but we might give them access to full views of defensive and offensive schemes during the game
the league will consider allowing players and coaches to view video generated during a given game. Rolapp explained that preseason and Pro Bowl testing has allowed the league to determine that, technologically, it can be done.
No shit. Hey Mr, Rolapp, don't worry about whether it can be done. Just say the word, and the teams will figure out how to make it happen, I guarantee it.
Hope this test cost them less than the Wells report.
They might not be able to afford this and goal line cameras in the same season
Hope this test cost them less than the Wells report.
If I had to guess I would say this thread is the closest thing. But it's, shall we say, a little unorganized.Is there a site that logs every lie, untruth or story that has been spoken by the NFL and/or anonymous NFL sources and then later revealed to be false or caused the NFL to backtrack and directly contradict themselves? Because I would like to read that.
Which brings up another good point. The league makes a big deal about receiving texts and using cell phones on the sidelines, but they give them freaking tablets. Are they somehow locked down in terms of what online functions they can use or something? They could place bets online during the game if they wanted toI always assumed they were watching video on the surface tablets anyway.