#DFG: Canceling the Noise
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Earlier in the thread someone reported a tweet that said the psi range was the same in 1939. They probably just haven't cared about it. They'd be better off updating it to a much larger, *reasonble* range, like in soccer, and make this never to be an issue again.Al Zarilla said:
amarshal2 said:
It's important because the whole story makes no sense, so the more it unravels the quicker we get to the truth. If the psi change was noticed by a defensive player why didn't the refs notice? If nobody actually noticed anything, why were the balls tested? Etc., etc.
It's relevant in that the reporting on this has been absolute dog shit from the get go.amarshal2 said:
So apparently he didn't notice the ball was different. Someone else did. Or they were alerted by the Ravens. Or they reported this back when the Pats played in Indy. Or the Ravens reported it and the league set a trap.
Which is it?
Full disclaimer - I am a Steelers fan. Does anyone here believe what Brady said in the press conference? Do you believe that Brady, who has said in the past he likes the balls deflated, has no idea how the balls were possibly deflated between the ref check and the game? I think this is a really stupid thing, and every NFL QB probably tells the ball boys to get the balls exactly how they want. I also think Brady was lying through his teeth today in his press conference.
But D. Jackson not noticing is irrelevant if somebody else noticed. Who on the colts sideline is not really important.Marciano490 said:
I agree lots of the media reports are going to turn out to be inaccurate. This thread is moving so fast it would be better if people were making salient points rather than multiple people suggesting the whole thing is crumbling because of an irrelevant detail. I like Lyoko/the draft guy but he's just harping on a fairly innocuous detail. Say he gave it to an equipment guy it ball boy who noticed. Changes nothing.
.WayBackVazquez said:I guess the country doesn't believe anymore.
They could have just asked, "Even if you ignore deflategate, do you hate the Patriots" and seen the same results
You're totally within your right to contact the teacher but I would avoid contacting the school. It will just make it look like a whiner and total homer and sadly may be detrimental to your kid's school experience.ObstructedView said:
Jeff Darlington @JeffDarlington · 33m33 minutes ago
Is D’Qwell Jackson bitter if Patriots used illegal balls? "They won that game because of their intensity – not the pressure of a football.”
Is D’Qwell Jackson bitter if Patriots used illegal balls? "They won that game because of their intensity – not the pressure of a football.”
I imagine a lot of Colts players are just as pissed off about this as the Patriots and their fans.E5 Yaz said:
findguapo said:
You ever play sports? Can you quantify how tightly you liked your shoe laces tied or your batting gloves wrapped? He likes his balls soft. The idea that he doesn't specify the softness in psi is totally believable. Hell, I was super OCD and superstitious about many things, but I didn't sit there counting how many loops I made when I wrapped my hands.
GregHarris said:
Well, maybe you're not as omniscient as others
Bob Ley @BobLeyESPN · 3h3 hours ago
Tom Brady's demeanor is compelling. Not defiantly 'innocent'.
Yeah, something like 83% of us believe him. Either he's been doing this his entire career and literally nobody has ever noticed in 15 years and he felt it was better to lie and risk much more serious repercussions when an equipment guy gets paid to tell the truth or something else happened. There is room for lots of alternative explanations. We're not at the point where there's only one logical conclusion.findguapo said:
Ferm Sheller said:
It'd probably be higher. But the idea that those press conferences had changed people's minds was kind of amusing.
amarshal2 said:
I'd be very risky if he'd been doing it for 15 years, since multiple ball boys probably would have worked with him over that span. If that's the case and one person tells, then it's all over.
Did Brady actually say deflated balls? Or that he likes them underinflated, making a joke about Gronk spikes too?
don't bother responding to him. he openly admitted to enjoying trolling pats fans. he's a fucking moron.54thMA said:
Just curious. Absent any proof on the part of the NFL, has anything been said yet that would allow BB or TB to pursue defamation lawsuits?
Marciano490 said:
I played tennis through college and was anal about the tension on my strings. I could only play with it at a certain weight and with a certain string. I totally could feel a difference, I really thought. Then I broke 3 strings in one match and had my buddy string it up for our next match that day (double-header). Thank goodness he did it exactly like I asked or I would have lost. Found out after the match he did it was off (2 or 3 pounds) but I had NO CLUE. I really thought I was able to tell all these years.
Could that be happening here? Sort of a placebo effect. You think it's perfect therefore in your head it is.
TrotWaddles said:
Sure, if Mark Brunell was actually responsible for deflating the balls and they could prove it, they'd have a shot.
To test 12 balls takes about that amount of time. Never seen the balls tested on the field before a game. Weird shit.scottyno said:
IANAL, obviously, but my answer is probably not. The media has always been careful to use phrases such as "if these allegations are true", and "sources say ..., but obviously questions remain", "too early to make any conclusions, but, if...". Mark Brunell was possibly the worst: "Brady is lying", but even that was (a) a tweet; and (b) his expressing an opinion.TrotWaddles said:
Marciano490 said:
Yes, I was a Division 1 pitcher. When we had home games and I was starting, I selected the exact balls (4 dozen) that would be used in the games. I would spend 10 or 15 minutes the day before our games picking thru the balls and grabbing the ones I liked.
scottyno said:
Pre-game, they probably only tested the 12 game balls and not the 12 backup balls as well.
No, that is people passing along misinformation. The 5 minutes before kickoff comes into play because that is when the officials hand off possession of them balls to the ball boys.scottyno said:
It's looking more and more likely that they either only checked a few or none.scottyno said:
Unless the ball boy was King Abdullah and Belichick had Brady assassinate him before his press conference today.Nightslyr said:
Think about that for a minute.
Be assured that when this teacher was asked about it in my class, I responded, "It's all about jealousy and hatred. People can't deal with the success of others without at the expense of the failure within themselves."ObstructedView said:
I thought Brady let the media go on the offensive right from the start.
He came off as maybe a little jumpy, trying to get a read on how they might attack him but started to get into a groove as the presser went on.
Right about halfway through, it seemed like he became more proactive, a little more confident...like he had made some adjustments.
Three quarters of the way through, I think he knew the result of the presser was not in question, and he was just hitting every question, despite all the reporters trying to get in his face and get him out of his comfort zone.
At the end, just when you thought he might ease up, he continued to press and just kept on really scoring with his answers.
Just like a football game.
edit: he's real, and he's fabulous.
He came off as maybe a little jumpy, trying to get a read on how they might attack him but started to get into a groove as the presser went on.
Right about halfway through, it seemed like he became more proactive, a little more confident...like he had made some adjustments.
Three quarters of the way through, I think he knew the result of the presser was not in question, and he was just hitting every question, despite all the reporters trying to get in his face and get him out of his comfort zone.
At the end, just when you thought he might ease up, he continued to press and just kept on really scoring with his answers.
Just like a football game.
edit: he's real, and he's fabulous.
There's your explanation: the testing was done in such a way that the primary balls were deflated!!??!!Harry Hooper said:
Not an expert on this but I think reckless disregard for the truth/"actual malice" is the standard here and it's a pretty high bar. Anything that relies on published (and "published" is liberally construed - tweets count) reports and makes plausible inferences is probably not actionable. If someone made a complete fabrication, then maybe. So if there was no truth at all behind the 11 of 12 footballs being 2 PSI under the limit, that could qualify, but you'd have to prove that this was sufficiently "of and concerning" BB and/or TB. Anyone relying on the report about the 11 footballs is insulated because it was not reckless to believe it and form a subsequent opinion based on it.TrotWaddles said:
OR the difference simply has to do with the fact the game balls were outside for 1.5 hours and subjected to game play while the backup balls were comfy indoors (as reported).Harry Hooper said:
findguapo said:
And did those conform to a uniform weight, diameter and whatnot that you had previously taken the time to reduce to the decimal place to fit exacting specifications that you then checked against NCAA rules? Or, did you just shuffle them around in your hands a bit and go with the best in the batch from week to week?
If you enjoy sophomoric humor like I do, here's a fun summary of Brady's press conference:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1tVHbdqGYOU&feature=youtu.be
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1tVHbdqGYOU&feature=youtu.be