It's relevant because Mort reported Jackson noticed. I believe in the same report he referenced the 11 balls.amarshal2 said:Isn't the Jackson bit an irrelevant detail? He didn't notice but he gave it to someone on the sidelines who did.
It's relevant because Mort reported Jackson noticed. I believe in the same report he referenced the 11 balls.amarshal2 said:Isn't the Jackson bit an irrelevant detail? He didn't notice but he gave it to someone on the sidelines who did.
Earlier in the thread someone reported a tweet that said the psi range was the same in 1939. They probably just haven't cared about it. They'd be better off updating it to a much larger, *reasonble* range, like in soccer, and make this never to be an issue again.Al Zarilla said:Well, you do want an upper limit because punters and field goal kickers love overinflated balls. But then, there are separate footballs for kicking. You do have to have some standard though. Some team might find a QB with 15 inch hands and he'd want them at 15 PSI. And, 4.5 would look flaccid.
amarshal2 said:Isn't the Jackson bit an irrelevant detail? He didn't notice but he gave it to someone on the sidelines who did.
It would take like 20 minutes to do this. Maybe less.H78 said:Another nugget from the Brady presser - we keep hearing that the Patriots turned in 12 balls. Brady said he actually turned in 24 (presumably 12 of which were the backup balls). In that case, I think it's fair to assume the Colts also turned in 24 balls.
48 footballs. You checked the PSI in each and every one before the game, Walt?
It's relevant in that the reporting on this has been absolute dog shit from the get go.amarshal2 said:Isn't the Jackson bit an irrelevant detail? He didn't notice but he gave it to someone on the sidelines who did.
But D. Jackson not noticing is irrelevant if somebody else noticed. Who on the colts sideline is not really important.Marciano490 said:
It's important because the whole story makes no sense, so the more it unravels the quicker we get to the truth. If the psi change was noticed by a defensive player why didn't the refs notice? If nobody actually noticed anything, why were the balls tested? Etc., etc.
.WayBackVazquez said:I guess the country doesn't believe anymore.
You're totally within your right to contact the teacher but I would avoid contacting the school. It will just make it look like a whiner and total homer and sadly may be detrimental to your kid's school experience.ObstructedView said:I'm seriously tempted to contact the teacher and/or the school to express my displeasure. Am I an insane fanboy, or am I right in thinking that this was a terrible lack of judgment on the part of an educator who's dealing with impressionable young kids? What is wrong with people???
E5 Yaz said:
Ah, I see. It gets confusing in here
I see no reason to believe Brady is lying.findguapo said:Full disclaimer - I am a Steelers fan. Does anyone here believe what Brady said in the press conference? Do you believe that Brady, who has said in the past he likes the balls deflated, has no idea how the balls were possibly deflated between the ref check and the game? I think this is a really stupid thing, and every NFL QB probably tells the ball boys to get the balls exactly how they want. I also think Brady was lying through his teeth today in his press conference.
I imagine a lot of Colts players are just as pissed off about this as the Patriots and their fans.E5 Yaz said:
Jeff Darlington @JeffDarlington · 33m33 minutes ago
Is D’Qwell Jackson bitter if Patriots used illegal balls? "They won that game because of their intensity – not the pressure of a football.”
LogansDad said:I think you have every right to contact the teacher, for the exact reason that you talk about (i.e. not teaching 9 year olds to pass judgement without enough.... any??.... facts).
findguapo said:Full disclaimer - I am a Steelers fan. Does anyone here believe what Brady said in the press conference? Do you believe that Brady, who has said in the past he likes the balls deflated, has no idea how the balls were possibly deflated between the ref check and the game? I think this is a really stupid thing, and every NFL QB probably tells the ball boys to get the balls exactly how they want. I also think Brady was lying through his teeth today in his press conference.
What's your evidence that he was lying?findguapo said:Full disclaimer - I am a Steelers fan. Does anyone here believe what Brady said in the press conference? Do you believe that Brady, who has said in the past he likes the balls deflated, has no idea how the balls were possibly deflated between the ref check and the game? I think this is a really stupid thing, and every NFL QB probably tells the ball boys to get the balls exactly how they want. I also think Brady was lying through his teeth today in his press conference.
GregHarris said:I see no reason to believe Brady is lying.
Yeah, something like 83% of us believe him. Either he's been doing this his entire career and literally nobody has ever noticed in 15 years and he felt it was better to lie and risk much more serious repercussions when an equipment guy gets paid to tell the truth or something else happened. There is room for lots of alternative explanations. We're not at the point where there's only one logical conclusion.findguapo said:Full disclaimer - I am a Steelers fan. Does anyone here believe what Brady said in the press conference? Do you believe that Brady, who has said in the past he likes the balls deflated, has no idea how the balls were possibly deflated between the ref check and the game? I think this is a really stupid thing, and every NFL QB probably tells the ball boys to get the balls exactly how they want. I also think Brady was lying through his teeth today in his press conference.
Ferm Sheller said:.
They could have just asked, "Even if you ignore deflategate, do you hate the Patriots" and seen the same results
amarshal2 said:Yeah, something like 83% of us believe him. Either he's been doing this his entire career and literally nobody has ever noticed in 15 years and he felt it was better to lie and risk much more serious repercussions when an equipment guy gets paid to tell the truth or something else happened. There is room for lots of alternative explanations. We're not at the point where there's only one logical conclusion.
don't bother responding to him. he openly admitted to enjoying trolling pats fans. he's a fucking moron.54thMA said:
Well, I guess as a Patriots fan, I'm just going to have to learn to live with that disappointment, just like you as a Dolphins fan have to learn to live with the disappointment that your team hasn't been relevant in over twenty years.
Exactly. I'm not sure there's a good thought behind this being something he just did this time it this time and the Ravens game or this time and the last colts game or whatever the truth is.theapportioner said:
I'd be very risky if he'd been doing it for 15 years, since multiple ball boys probably would have worked with him over that span. If that's the case and one person tells, then it's all over.
theapportioner said:
I'd be very risky if he'd been doing it for 15 years, since multiple ball boys probably would have worked with him over that span. If that's the case and one person tells, then it's all over.
Very, very, very unlikely.TrotWaddles said:Just curious. Absent any proof on the part of the NFL, has anything been said yet that would allow BB or TB to pursue defamation lawsuits?
Marciano490 said:
You ever play sports? Can you quantify how tightly you liked your shoe laces tied or your batting gloves wrapped? He likes his balls soft. The idea that he doesn't specify the softness in psi is totally believable. Hell, I was super OCD and superstitious about many things, but I didn't sit there counting how many loops I made when I wrapped my hands.
TrotWaddles said:Just curious. Absent any proof on the part of the NFL, has anything been said yet that would allow BB or TB to pursue defamation lawsuits?
RedOctober3829 said:It would take like 20 minutes to do this. Maybe less.
To test 12 balls takes about that amount of time. Never seen the balls tested on the field before a game. Weird shit.scottyno said:
But they reportedly tested them again 5 minutes before the game which doesn't seem possible if it takes 20 minutes
IANAL, obviously, but my answer is probably not. The media has always been careful to use phrases such as "if these allegations are true", and "sources say ..., but obviously questions remain", "too early to make any conclusions, but, if...". Mark Brunell was possibly the worst: "Brady is lying", but even that was (a) a tweet; and (b) his expressing an opinion.TrotWaddles said:Just curious. Absent any proof on the part of the NFL, has anything been said yet that would allow BB or TB to pursue defamation lawsuits?
Marciano490 said:
You ever play sports? Can you quantify how tightly you liked your shoe laces tied or your batting gloves wrapped? He likes his balls soft. The idea that he doesn't specify the softness in psi is totally believable. Hell, I was super OCD and superstitious about many things, but I didn't sit there counting how many loops I made when I wrapped my hands.
scottyno said:
But they reportedly tested them again 5 minutes before the game which doesn't seem possible if it takes 20 minutes
No, that is people passing along misinformation. The 5 minutes before kickoff comes into play because that is when the officials hand off possession of them balls to the ball boys.scottyno said:
But they reportedly tested them again 5 minutes before the game which doesn't seem possible if it takes 20 minutes
It's looking more and more likely that they either only checked a few or none.scottyno said:
But they reportedly tested them again 5 minutes before the game which doesn't seem possible if it takes 20 minutes
Unless the ball boy was King Abdullah and Belichick had Brady assassinate him before his press conference today.Nightslyr said:
In a post-Spygate, post-Ray Rice world where TMZ exists, I simply cannot believe that a ball boy wouldn't have spilled the beans on any illegal ball deflation that was taking place by now if something was actually happening.
Be assured that when this teacher was asked about it in my class, I responded, "It's all about jealousy and hatred. People can't deal with the success of others without at the expense of the failure within themselves."ObstructedView said:So my 4th-grade son has this teacher he loves, partly because he (the teacher) is a big sports fan. The classroom has pictures of Pats and Red Sox players on the walls, and kids are encouraged to show their team spirit on designated days. Sports are incorporated into lessons and general discussion. Today my son came home with the news that this teacher had made a point of addressing the class about deflate-gate, saying that he believed the allegations and would not be rooting for the Pats going forward. Understandably, this confused and rattled my die-hard son - who of course had been innocently thrilled that his beloved team is going to the Super Bowl. My wife and I had to sit him down at dinner and discuss this with him as if it were something really serious, like 9/11, Newtown or Santa Claus. We tried to frame it in terms of how important it is to avoid jumping to conclusions without having facts, and emphasized that while his teacher is entitled to his opinions it was inappropriate for him to pass judgment.
I'm seriously tempted to contact the teacher and/or the school to express my displeasure. Am I an insane fanboy, or am I right in thinking that this was a terrible lack of judgment on the part of an educator who's dealing with impressionable young kids? What is wrong with people???
Marciano490 said:
You ever play sports? Can you quantify how tightly you liked your shoe laces tied or your batting gloves wrapped? He likes his balls soft. The idea that he doesn't specify the softness in psi is totally believable. Hell, I was super OCD and superstitious about many things, but I didn't sit there counting how many loops I made when I wrapped my hands.
There's your explanation: the testing was done in such a way that the primary balls were deflated!!??!!Harry Hooper said:
Pre-game, they probably only tested the 12 game balls and not the 12 backup balls as well.
Not an expert on this but I think reckless disregard for the truth/"actual malice" is the standard here and it's a pretty high bar. Anything that relies on published (and "published" is liberally construed - tweets count) reports and makes plausible inferences is probably not actionable. If someone made a complete fabrication, then maybe. So if there was no truth at all behind the 11 of 12 footballs being 2 PSI under the limit, that could qualify, but you'd have to prove that this was sufficiently "of and concerning" BB and/or TB. Anyone relying on the report about the 11 footballs is insulated because it was not reckless to believe it and form a subsequent opinion based on it.TrotWaddles said:Just curious. Absent any proof on the part of the NFL, has anything been said yet that would allow BB or TB to pursue defamation lawsuits?
OR the difference simply has to do with the fact the game balls were outside for 1.5 hours and subjected to game play while the backup balls were comfy indoors (as reported).Harry Hooper said:
Pre-game, they probably only tested the 12 game balls and not the 12 backup balls as well.
findguapo said:
Yes, I was a Division 1 pitcher. When we had home games and I was starting, I selected the exact balls (4 dozen) that would be used in the games. I would spend 10 or 15 minutes the day before our games picking thru the balls and grabbing the ones I liked.
djbayko said:OR the difference simply has to do with the fact the game balls were outside for 1.5 hours and subjected to game play while the backup balls were comfy indoors (as reported).