Did he add that if a Patriot fumbles he may not see the field again for a lengthy period of time.
Assuming RO is comfortable sharing, anyone on twitter that can send this out to Kyed, King, et.al., to ask whether this is the type of gauge typically used and whether it has this sort of margin of error? Not in the twitterverse myself...RedOctober3829 said:Here is an electric ball pressure gauge we use. Take a look at what the face of the pressure gauge says. At 30 PSI there is an accuracy of +/- 3 PSI. So, to me it is for every 10 PSI there could be a difference of 1 PSI. Add any +/- into any natural deflation of the balls and you might have something.
That is actually hard to explain.E5 Yaz said:
Is Brunnell on the set?
Meanwhile,
SeifertESPN Kevin Seifert
From that story: #Patriots 78 plays per fumble. Rest of outdoor teams range from 37-58.http://t.co/mMJ1oMRp8C
Yeah, i'm assumnig Ridley uses special balls?scotian1 said:Did he add that if a Patriot fumbles he may not see the field again for a lengthy period of time.
brandonchristensen said:That is actually hard to explain.
Jesus fucking Christ. The Patriots bench guys who fumble too often. Other teams tell the player "hang on to the ball next time", then send them back out there to fumble again.E5 Yaz said:
SeifertESPN Kevin Seifert
From that story: #Patriots 78 plays per fumble. Rest of outdoor teams range from 37-58.http://t.co/mMJ1oMRp8C
Rodgers no picks at home in forever...nothing to do with how good he is, has to be his preference for over-inflated balls!brandonchristensen said:That is actually hard to explain.
Doubtful, ball gauges are usually in the 0-20 range and more accurate than the higher-range gauges like that.Kull said:A spec that calls for 10ths of a PSI, measured using a gauge that can only measure to whole numbers. No idea if that's the actual gauge used by the NFL, but it sounds like something right up their alley.
Section15Box113 said:Assuming RO is comfortable sharing, anyone on twitter that can send this out to Kyed, King, et.al., to ask whether this is the type of gauge typically used and whether it has this sort of margin of error? Not in the twitterverse myself...
I suppose it does!Smiling Joe Hesketh said:
Fumble = getting benched. If you're fumble-prone you don't play. Explains it quite well.
BUT IT COULDgmogmo said:Rodgers no picks at home in forever...nothing to do with how good he is, has to be his preference for over-inflated balls!
I love how MIN this year was 109... a season they played outdoorsE5 Yaz said:
Is Brunnell on the set?
Meanwhile,
SeifertESPN Kevin Seifert
From that story: #Patriots 78 plays per fumble. Rest of outdoor teams range from 37-58.http://t.co/mMJ1oMRp8C
gmogmo said:Rodgers no picks at home in forever...nothing to do with how good he is, has to be his preference for over-inflated balls!
[background=#e9e9e9]From that story: #Patriots 78 plays per fumble. Rest of outdoor teams range from 37-58.[/background]http://t.co/mMJ1oMRp8CIs Brunnell on the set?
Meanwhile,
SeifertESPN[background=#e9e9e9] [/background][background=#e9e9e9]Kevin Seifert[/background]
steveluck7 said:I love how MIN this year was 109... a season they played outdoors
steveluck7 said:I love how MIN this year was 109... a season they played outdoors
soxfan80000001 said:
For fucks sake, it's just a picture of some random pressure gauge.
Shelterdog said:
Also Brady's statement that he likes the balls just so and nobody should fuck with them once he's selected them rings very true to me. He's a perfectionist and he doesn't want poor Murph to fuck up a football by accident. Now does Brady initially set all his balls to 11.5 psi? Quite possibly.
I have a theory I haven't had a chance to investigate yet:brandonchristensen said:That is actually hard to explain.
Section15Box113 said:Assuming RO is comfortable sharing, anyone on twitter that can send this out to Kyed, King, et.al., to ask whether this is the type of gauge typically used and whether it has this sort of margin of error? Not in the twitterverse myself...
Sure they did. They gave a narrow range of measurements across 24 balls. They just didn't list out the details 24 times.DrewDawg said:Yet they didn't give any numbers for pregame measurement.
The equivalent is you saying it was warm before you went swimming and after a few hours measuring it and saying it dropped 2 degrees.
Agree on both points. Of course, even if he does set at 11.5, that's not a problem from a league standpoint. Refs should catch it with their gauge and inflate to 12.5. 100% legal. Of course, they could inflate to 13 or 13.5, so TB wouldn't always get what he wants.Shelterdog said:
Also Brady's statement that he likes the balls just so and nobody should fuck with them once he's selected them rings very true to me. He's a perfectionist and he doesn't want poor Murph to fuck up a football by accident. Now does Brady initially set all his balls to 11.5 psi? Quite possibly.
Section15Box113 said:Assuming RO is comfortable sharing, anyone on twitter that can send this out to Kyed, King, et.al., to ask whether this is the type of gauge typically used and whether it has this sort of margin of error? Not in the twitterverse myself...
Posting this video again of the Refs checking balls. They use handheld gauges, and double check them. The fails get pumped up.Section15Box113 said:Assuming RO is comfortable sharing, anyone on twitter that can send this out to Kyed, King, et.al., to ask whether this is the type of gauge typically used and whether it has this sort of margin of error? Not in the twitterverse myself...
They do when there's cameras pointed at them.shepard50 said:Posting this video again of the Refs checking balls. They use handheld gauges, and double check them. The fails get pumped up.
shepard50 said:Posting this video again of the Refs checking balls. They use handheld gauges, and double check them. The fails get pumped up.
Q: How much impact do you think this will have over the legacy of those two gentlemen?
5152 Two things surprise me: when they ask Bill Belichick of the balls he said, ‘ask Tom Brady’. That surprised me because now it’s all about Tom and then the one question that was asked of Tom that surprised me of the answer and they asked, ‘are you a cheater?’ He hesitated and then he said, ‘I don’t think so’.
5218 If I’m asked that question, I am absolutely not a cheater. He didn’t say it that way, he kind of left the door open. I think a lot of people are going to question the outcome of that with Tom Brady. Now you can’t question how good he is, the guy’s a great quarterback but in this instance I think somewhere along the line, somebody knew something about that and I think Tom Brady had a little deception in his answer.
brandonchristensen said:They do when there's cameras pointed at them.
OnWisc said:Those are all from me.
I don't think anyone's the winner of this thread, sadly.
But did he have to say something? Again, he could have said nothing. I'd add that the gamesmanship implication only helps the case for under-inflated footballs.pappymojo said:
He only said something because he had to say something because prior to this scandale Simms and Nantz talked about how Rodgers slips overinflated balls through the system. The implication was that when he does it, it's gamesmanship.
pappymojo said:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrzMhU_4m-g&t=12
shepard50 said:Posting this video again of the Refs checking balls. They use handheld gauges, and double check them. The fails get pumped up.
EL Jeffe said:
Even if it comes out that the referees didn't thoroughly/accurately check the pregame footballs, the Patriots still aren't going to be absolved of this by the public/media:
- They'll see the Patriots deliberately submitting under-inflated footballs as cheating, not gamesmanship.
- Brady will still be called the lyingist liar who ever lied since the team submitted the footballs.
- Maybe the NFL punishment would be less severe, but again, this is Goodell in the midst of a firestorm so anything is possible. "You deliberately struck at the integrity of the game by submitting under-inflated footballs. Blah blah blah."
Who uses it? The NFL? This is exactly what you don't want, where the reading is way down low on the scale but the error is a percentage of full scale.RedOctober3829 said:Here is an electric ball pressure gauge we use. Take a look at what the face of the pressure gauge says. At 30 PSI there is an accuracy of +/- 3 PSI. So, to me it is for every 10 PSI there could be a difference of 1 PSI. Add any +/- into any natural deflation of the balls and you might have something.
Yancey Thigpen was already booked on Dateline.Corsi said:rod fucking woodson? why?
shepard50 said:
Yes. I am sure when the camera crew is not the they burn a fattie and make farting noises with their armpits. Because generally people at the highest professional level, hand picked for post-season games, suck at their jobs and are out to get the Patriots to boot. Any theory other then the Patriots fudged a rule that no one cares about. ANYTHING ELSE BUT THAT!
DourDoerr said:But did he have to say something? Again, he could have said nothing. I'd add that the gamesmanship implication only helps the case for under-inflated footballs.
And I'd think the last part of this quote is relevant (I'm pulling it from pappymojo's post above):
the Green Bay Packers quarterback said that, while there is an advantage to an underinflated ball (especially for quarterbacks with small hands), he favors a rule mandating only a minimum amount of air. There’s no benefit, he said, to an overinflated football and, because he has big hands, that’s what he prefers. And, he added referees often remove air from balls during games because they prefer them on the flatter side
My apologies if I'm missing something, but it seems to me that saying refs remove air from balls during games helps the Patriots' case immensely.