Did he add that if a Patriot fumbles he may not see the field again for a lengthy period of time.
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Assuming RO is comfortable sharing, anyone on twitter that can send this out to Kyed, King, et.al., to ask whether this is the type of gauge typically used and whether it has this sort of margin of error? Not in the twitterverse myself...RedOctober3829 said:Here is an electric ball pressure gauge we use. Take a look at what the face of the pressure gauge says. At 30 PSI there is an accuracy of +/- 3 PSI. So, to me it is for every 10 PSI there could be a difference of 1 PSI. Add any +/- into any natural deflation of the balls and you might have something.
Can anyone confirm that stat?
NM saw the link off twitter. Doesn't really explain last year though.
NM saw the link off twitter. Doesn't really explain last year though.
brandonchristensen said:
Fumble = getting benched. If you're fumble-prone you don't play. Explains it quite well.
Jesus fucking Christ. The Patriots bench guys who fumble too often. Other teams tell the player "hang on to the ball next time", then send them back out there to fumble again.E5 Yaz said:
Rodgers no picks at home in forever...nothing to do with how good he is, has to be his preference for over-inflated balls!brandonchristensen said:
Doubtful, ball gauges are usually in the 0-20 range and more accurate than the higher-range gauges like that.Kull said:
All star crews.....
yet another example of why they rock!
"Well no I personally didnt check it before....I usually have my Field Judge checkem...Joe you used the Gauge right......right.....Joe.... well regardless I did check With the gauge at the half and they where low Rog! So something happened."
yet another example of why they rock!
"Well no I personally didnt check it before....I usually have my Field Judge checkem...Joe you used the Gauge right......right.....Joe.... well regardless I did check With the gauge at the half and they where low Rog! So something happened."
gmogmo said:
Rocky Marciano, Gennady Golovkin, Mike Tyson: incredible knockout percentage, obviously used plaster.
[background=#e9e9e9]From that story: #Patriots 78 plays per fumble. Rest of outdoor teams range from 37-58.[/background]http://t.co/mMJ1oMRp8C
I do remember my first thought after the butt fumble was maybe if they took a little air of the ball- not a lot, just maybe 2 PSI or so- Sanchez probably would've maintained possession.
If they're going to go down this road then we can usher off the washed up quarterbacks and bring on down the washed up running backs. I, for one, would like to hear Marshall Faulk's opinion on this whole thing.
I have a theory I haven't had a chance to investigate yet:brandonchristensen said:
-Brady takes very few sacks
-Patriots skill players as a group have low fumble rates before and after they're on the team. In other words, ball security is very important in personnel decisions
By the way, I believe the difference has been notable since 2007, not really before.
Section15Box113 said:
Here ya go:
http://www.edn.com/electronics-blogs/rowe-s-and-columns/4438454/Measurement--NFL-style
I confirmed that picture matches the gauge they were using in the Peter King video. The dial has marking at every .5 PSI.
Agree on both points. Of course, even if he does set at 11.5, that's not a problem from a league standpoint. Refs should catch it with their gauge and inflate to 12.5. 100% legal. Of course, they could inflate to 13 or 13.5, so TB wouldn't always get what he wants.Shelterdog said:
My takeaways:
NFL statement: We have no evidence of tampering, there is probably no tampering evidence to be had, but because of our awful credibility at the moment, we've hired these really experienced (credible) investigators to confirm that there is no tampering evidence to satisfy all of the Doubting Thomases.
Kraft Statement: Bill and Tom told the truth and there is no tampering evidence whatsoever. We clean, bitches.
So if that initial inspection was by Butcher's Thumb, this is all on the NFL. Game over.
NFL statement: We have no evidence of tampering, there is probably no tampering evidence to be had, but because of our awful credibility at the moment, we've hired these really experienced (credible) investigators to confirm that there is no tampering evidence to satisfy all of the Doubting Thomases.
Kraft Statement: Bill and Tom told the truth and there is no tampering evidence whatsoever. We clean, bitches.
So if that initial inspection was by Butcher's Thumb, this is all on the NFL. Game over.
Posting this video again of the Refs checking balls. They use handheld gauges, and double check them. The fails get pumped up.Section15Box113 said:
Even if it comes out that the referees didn't thoroughly/accurately check the pregame footballs, the Patriots still aren't going to be absolved of this by the public/media:
- They'll see the Patriots deliberately submitting under-inflated footballs as cheating, not gamesmanship.
- Brady will still be called the lyingist liar who ever lied since the team submitted the footballs.
- Maybe the NFL punishment would be less severe, but again, this is Goodell in the midst of a firestorm so anything is possible. "You deliberately struck at the integrity of the game by submitting under-inflated footballs. Blah blah blah."
shepard50 said:
So, the intro ad before this video is Aaron Rodgers saying "I want to pump you up!"
Wonder if those ads will be pulled from the Super Bowl?
Those Rodgers "I want to pump you up" ads for State Farm are extra hilarious right now (especially since one of them precedes the Peter King ball checking video):
http://mmqb.si.com/2015/01/22/deflategate-video-how-nfl-officials-check-game-ball-pressure/
http://mmqb.si.com/2015/01/22/deflategate-video-how-nfl-officials-check-game-ball-pressure/
brandonchristensen said:
Yes. I am sure when the camera crew is not there the Refs burn a fattie and make farting noises with their armpits. Because generally people at the highest professional level, hand picked for post-season games, suck at their jobs and are out to get the Patriots to boot. Any theory other then the Patriots fudged a rule that no one cares about. ANYTHING ELSE BUT THAT!
But did he have to say something? Again, he could have said nothing. I'd add that the gamesmanship implication only helps the case for under-inflated footballs.pappymojo said:
And I'd think the last part of this quote is relevant (I'm pulling it from pappymojo's post above):
the Green Bay Packers quarterback said that, while there is an advantage to an underinflated ball (especially for quarterbacks with small hands), he favors a rule mandating only a minimum amount of air. There’s no benefit, he said, to an overinflated football and, because he has big hands, that’s what he prefers. And, he added referees often remove air from balls during games because they prefer them on the flatter side
My apologies if I'm missing something, but it seems to me that saying refs remove air from balls during games helps the Patriots' case immensely.
shepard50 said:
Best guess here is anything in the 12-14 area gets through, and so long as we're guessing, I would bet balls get through more often on the somewhat low side than on the high side. An overinflated ball is easy to fix with the ref sitting in his seat. He just turns the valve a little and watches the gauge as it brings it down. An underinflated ball requires the ref to stand up, put more air in, and remeasure, which is more of a pain in the ass.
I think the sequence in the video showing the guy inflating the balls with an electric pump is the K balls, which are brand new balls that they are guestimating -- I would think this is before the measurements. In other words, this is not the inflation of balls the refs find underinflated.
Who uses it? The NFL? This is exactly what you don't want, where the reading is way down low on the scale but the error is a percentage of full scale.RedOctober3829 said:Here is an electric ball pressure gauge we use. Take a look at what the face of the pressure gauge says. At 30 PSI there is an accuracy of +/- 3 PSI. So, to me it is for every 10 PSI there could be a difference of 1 PSI. Add any +/- into any natural deflation of the balls and you might have something.
shepard50 said:
Why does the assumption that the refs half-assed the pre-game inspection mean that they're out to get them or they suck at their jobs?
Couldn't it just be that in all the years they've had to check balls pregame and never once having a ball come under any scrutiny whatsoever, they're not overly concerned about the 12 Patriots balls on Sunday afternoon and give them no more than a cursory inspection that has sufficed for dozens of games prior?