Are Broncos fans under the impression that Goodell was lenient with Brady? Are they really that fucking clueless?jercra said:
#DFG: Canceling the Noise
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So we've combined all the deflategate threads except for the legal issues only thread into one magnificient mega-thread that future visitors can contemplate in awe what we have wrought on the subject of slightly depressed pressure in footballs and what titanic posters we must have been.
A) Why? There is a huge perception issue here in decisions being overturned. That risk is virtually non-existent for team punishments.garzooma said:
B) We literally know nothing about what is actually on their agenda.
The Goodell's power issue has hit the top of ESPN, we officially have a serious story now:
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/13583719/nfl-owners-discuss-roger-goodell-role-player-discipline
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/13583719/nfl-owners-discuss-roger-goodell-role-player-discipline
But not the poetry thread? Come on, that's some of the best stuff to come out of Deflatermess.There is no Rev said:
Somewhere in this megathread there's comments from a few that Goodell picked the single worst player in the NFL to go to war with.
As the story turns now to "how much disciplinary power will RG lose". We can safely say who lost this war
As the story turns now to "how much disciplinary power will RG lose". We can safely say who lost this war
They just reported the WaPo report which in itself was pretty vague.Ed Hillel said:
I wonder if the owners were pissed that RG looks like an idiot or that he couldn't close the deal on those cheatin' Cheatriots?
It's hard to imagine the owners publicly stripping Goodell of his power, and I'm really skeptical it would happen. Then again, I was skeptical Sepp Blatter could be touched.
Now that this article is on ESPN, it would be hilarious if Kraft Sr. were to swoop in and make some lukewarm supportive comment. I know it would enrage this fanbase, but in terms of sheer WWE style entertainment, it would be pretty good.
Now that this article is on ESPN, it would be hilarious if Kraft Sr. were to swoop in and make some lukewarm supportive comment. I know it would enrage this fanbase, but in terms of sheer WWE style entertainment, it would be pretty good.
No, they are just the total homers and front runners.rodderick said:
I just had an exchange at work about "why would Brady destroy his phone?". When provided with the information that Brady was told his phone wasn't needed I was told "yeah, you know they all lie under oath". I was also told it was all spin and politics and that if you listen to "the Brady side" they "spin" it one way, and the "NFL" side spins it the other. This was a conversation with 3 Broncos fans and a Jets fan. So, maybe I'll revise my answer and say yeah, they're that clueless.
If you print it all out we'll have a ... (Wait for it)There is no Rev said:
... mega-tarp!!!!
Ed Hillel said:
If they are acknowledging that a change may be needed, aren't the acknowledging that it's not a mere technicality that Brady got off on?
There's another comeback to the fans of other teams.
"Yeah, it was such a technicality that the owners are now going to change the way it's handled."
DrewDawg said:
Here's one that seems to be working pretty well: Berman held that the league didn't play by the rules. When you're a sports league, that's unforgivable. It's especially unforgivable when you didn't play by the rules in a proceeding supposedly designed to see whether a player played by the rules.
DrewDawg said:
That was inevitable. To demonstrate how easily any idiot could have seen it coming, I've been predicting it for months in the event of the Brady win. I wasn't expecting as many OJ references, but I'm an optimist when it comes to humanity. "Won on a technicality!"
jercra said:
I would simply respond to someone who said this with a "TJ Ward actually threw the glass at that woman." The bottom line is that whether or not Berman's decision wasn't on the underlying facts (although anyone who isn't a complete moron and can read his decision can tell that he obviously doesn't believe the NFL proved their case against Brady in any way, hence the "alleged" language throughout, as a starting point), by tossing the decision made by Goodell, he's essentially saying just that. This decision wasn't just because the NFL didn't give Brady notice. They didn't allow Brady to defend himself by cross-examining Pash, getting access to the investigator's notes, etc. Tom Brady might have been found guilty by Goodell, but this decision by Berman shits all over the procedures that Goodell took to render that decision, thus, making any "guilt" on the part of Tom Brady a figment of people's imaginations. TJ Ward was caught on tape throwing a glass at a woman. Tom Brady wasn't even really proven to have been generally aware that some team employees might have deflated footballs. People fucking suck.
My brain filtered out the bad word, so I thought you were just talking about Kraft going Al Davis.Myt1 said:Yeah. Don't be aware of that.
This reality is obviously much better, but I'd love to have a glimpse into that alternate universe where the Patriots unveil that TB12 banner to a humongous roar of the crowd. How surreal that would be. When is the last timea team gave its league a middle finger like that during a national televised game?
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/09/04/league-office-must-find-a-way-to-restore-credibility/
Pretty excoriating Florio: Has anything done more to damage the integrity of the game over the last several years than the behavior of the League office?
Pretty excoriating Florio: Has anything done more to damage the integrity of the game over the last several years than the behavior of the League office?
That you used that phrase:Punchado said:
It's similar to the feeling that I had when my older son walked off the field for the final time as a club lax player, knowing that I'd be completely un-involved with any sports he'd play in high school. The guy I'd been coaching with for 7 year (and sweated on the field with, and drove thru an ice storm with to get to a coach's clinic down at Rugters, and who some weeks I'd see more than my I saw my wife) and I just looked at each other and sort of shrugged our shoulder and said "OK, what the hell are we supposed to do now......?"
Punchado said:
I think the answer is we take a breath and think about short- and long-term outcomes. Short-term, Goodell isn't going anywhere. The owners have backed Goodell at every turn, not just in DFG, but from the Saints fiasco onward. If the optics of getting caught playing "Nahh, nahh, nahh, I can't see it!" with the Ray Rice video were not sufficiently shameful to cause a no-confidence movement, no way will this be. Even more so because a nontrivial (and, likely, a majority) of owners deep down believe the Pats cheated here. So Goodell isn't going anywhere.
WRT his role as an arbitrator in the short-term, it seems highly unlikely to me that the owners will cede any ground on the current CBA. Now, perhaps, they may view this as a bargaining chip for the next agreement, but their arc bends toward the consolidation of power, not capitulation. So Goodell isn't giving up his "judge and jury" role, at least not until the next CBA.
And the draft picks - short-term and long-term we have to accept they are gone. Think of them like the ring Putin pocketed. It was an egregious abuse of power by a bully and a dictator. But Kraft took it, and he will continue to do the same here. The reasons are twofold. First, Kraft is not a rabble rouser by nature. Much as we keep wanting him to "go nuclear", he didn't get to where he is today by raging against the machine. And secondly, screaming to the heavens isn't going to get Putin to give back the ring. Nor is it going to get the league to give back the picks. Kraft knows this. There is no "behind the scenes" plan or "back channel" discussion. So the picks are gone.
In the long-term, how will history judge all this? Goodell will go down as a buffoon in a brooks brothers blazer and boat shoes, to be sure. No way can someone endure the run of oversteps and legal beatdowns he has and emerge as anything less than an object lesson. Kraft will go down as the guy who saved football in NE and oversaw an unprecedented run of excellence during an era designed to promote parity. Eddie D. got nailed for bring a politician with a briefcase full of cash. 20 years later, he is a finalist for the HoF. People remember the winning, and the other stuff is second paragraph fodder. It'll be the same for Kraft.
What of Brady? This one stings a bit, as his reputation is tarnished permanently. Spygate etc. always stuck to Belichick, much more so than to TB12. This is different, and to paraphrase Rick Pitino, it stinks and it sucks. The black mark will fade, but the scar will always be visible. Idiots will be bringing this up when he retires, when he goes into the HoF, etc.
At the nadir of the DFG saga, when folks were getting on me about destroyed cell phones, Dorito Dink texts, etc., I simply stopped arguing with them. I just gave them a smile and said, "We'll see...". And for anyone who really has had his eyes open, we have seen. The league abused its power. They started at the finish and worked backwards. I don't have to laundry list it all here, but the bottom line is that we can say, with a reasonable degree of rationality, that not only was this a botched sting, but nothing actually happened. Now, we are not going to be able to convince fans of other teams that this is the case. It just has to be enough that (a) we know it, (b) objective, rational parties who have paid any depth of attention to the whole affair know it, (c) we have Tom Brady, who not only wins Super Bowls and MVPs, but refuses to back down when he knows he is being fucked with, and (d) we root for a franchise that has won 4 Super Bowls while being in the cross hairs for a decade and a half.
Brutal. And spot on. Right there with Jenkins' great columns as the best overview of this mess/take down of the dumpster fire that is the league office right now. I never underestimate the capacity for stupid arrogance and tone-deafness from these fuckers, but this does feel like a tipping point. Hopefully the reports earlier today of a growing number owners seeing the need for change have traction.lambeau said:
Myt1 said:
New York, Manhattan setting
And no one knows what the court is getting
The creme de la creme of the legal world
In a circus with everything, especially clowns
Time drags, the AFC title game ages past
And the lawyers like the balls spewing gas
Lucky me, but doncha know that when you sue
The Artless Roger gets to choose the venue
It's the Second Circuit
The Southern District of New York
One day in New York and the world's your lawyer
The law firms are temples, but the hot air ain't free
You'll find a Pash in every dark corner
And if you're lucky the lawyers agree
I can feel another Jets fan sliding up to me
Hey, Roger, one court's very like another
When your head's up your ass, my brother
It's a drag, it's a bore, it's really such a pity
To be listening to the NFL, not looking at the city
Whaddya mean?
Ya seen one lackwitted stupid crowd
NFL briefs, haughty and smug, haughty and smug
Written by men that think power's a drug
"You can't vacate", hey you're talking to a jurist
Whose every every ruling's among the purest
I get my kicks reading case law, sunshine
One day in New York and the world's your lawyer
The law firms are temples, but the hot air ain't free
You'll find a litigator in every dark corner
And if you're lucky the lawyers agree
I can feel Goodell walking next to me
New York's gonna be the witness
To the ultimate test of judicial patience
This annoys me a whole lot more
Than a thousand paper cuts or reruns of Maude
But thank God, I'm only watching the case, trying to control it
I don't see you guys biding
The kind of kind of time I do while deciding
I'll let you read, I will invite you
But the common sense I use won't excite you
So you better go back to your Jets, your Giants
Your Broncos, and massage parlors
One day in New York and the net's your lawyer
The law firms are temples but the hot air ain't free
John Harbaugh's whistlin' in the corner
A little flashy, afraid of history
I can feel a Colts fan suckin' up to me
One day in New York can't make a Goodell humble
Patriots fans between despair and ecstasy
One day in New York and Wells' pornstache tumbles
Sleep with dogs and you get fleas
I can feel the Goodell walking next to me
My father said he saw CHB on MSNBC today and he got eviscerated. Anyone see it and/or know where to find the archived video?
Sorry, found it and Dad exaggerated ... now feel dirty that I watched him:
http://www.msnbc.com/newsnation/watch/nfl-to-appeal--deflategate--ruling-519598659813
http://www.msnbc.com/newsnation/watch/nfl-to-appeal--deflategate--ruling-519598659813
Master of the houseGeorgeCostanza said:Red, the blood of angry men.
Black, the dark of ages past!
Keeper of the zoo
Ready to arbitrate a case or two
I don't care if you're
Beating up your wife
Just don't let the air out or you're banned for life
Nice job by Florio. Here's the top/bottom comment right now on whether the NFL has credibility:lambeau said:
Hot sports take for sure, but it's the majority opinion of your Joe Six Pack general sports fan out there and I don't see that changing anytime soon.
I assume that it is about Ray Rice type incidents and the league just wants to make shit disappear as quickly as possible. Why they decided to make the deflation story the mountain on which they staked their flag is beyond me though.BigSoxFan said: