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If they're going to show stupid stuff like that, I wish they'd bring back Aussie Rules Football. 
 
Much more entertaining and legit, and I have to believe it would continue to hit the desired demographic.
 

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Dick Pole Upside said:
If they're going to show stupid stuff like that, I wish they'd bring back Aussie Rules Football. 
 
Much more entertaining and legit, and I have to believe it would continue to hit the desired demographic.
I agree I would actually enjoy them showing big events for random sports around the world. Sports should be fun. I'd rather that than another moron pundit yelling in my face. Isn't that what ESPN2 was originally for back in the 90s?
 

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Dick Pole Upside said:
If they're going to show stupid stuff like that, I wish they'd bring back Aussie Rules Football. 
 
Much more entertaining and legit, and I have to believe it would continue to hit the desired demographic.
 
 
allstonite said:
I agree I would actually enjoy them showing big events for random sports around the world. Sports should be fun. I'd rather that than another moron pundit yelling in my face. Isn't that what ESPN2 was originally for back in the 90s?
 
This.
 
Irish hurling was a blast.  Let's get some international rugby or cricket (or both!) now and then.
 

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A friend is trying to organize a US rugby league to be shown on ESPN in the coming years.  She's still looking for some funds and owners, if any of y'all have a spare 7-8 mil laying around.
 

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When someone famous/powerful is blowing smoke up your butt, of course you are going to like them.
 
Whitlock told Simmons in that podcast that he sexed up his stories during his ESPN interregnum. You know, to be provocative and get attention. To paraphrase Paul Barman, he is the ne plus ultra of hot-take sports culture. He tries to put things in a historical perspective, but he's not well-versed enough on those historical figures and events, and ignores historical evidence, instead substituting his own created hagiography for actual history. He creates a line between two unrelated things that he likes or dislikes, and calls it "edgy". Not seemingly unrelated, like, "oh, I didn't notice that," but actually unrelated, like no one in their right mind would connect those two points.
 
I remember thinking when Grantland started that I hoped it wouldn't be a bunch of Bill Simmons acolytes/copycats, and when it first started it sort of was, but quickly it became a place with diverse writing, where writers could flesh out their own identities. He understood that it would get tired if it was all like him, and furthermore he hired people whose writing he liked, and wanted more of that. If Whitlock is basically demanding that his writers reflect him, i don't see this working at all, and he probably wouldn't get a chance to pivot (if he's even aware of the need to). He is the worst prominent writer to be given this kind of responsibility, and it could have a damaging effect going forward, not only for black writers but for writer-centered enterprise in general, especially in sports.
This is very appropriate and on point after Whitlock's latest foray into invented outrage.
 

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Isolating a person from their friends and family is one of many signs of an abusive partner, so he comes off as something of a scumbag. It didn't seem like be was joking, but I only watched the short clip linked here.
 

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CoffeeNerdness said:
Isolating a person from their friends and family is one of many signs of an abusive partner, so he comes off as something of a scumbag. It didn't seem like be was joking, but I only watched the short clip linked here.
So you legit thought he was being serious? Wow. I can't stand the guy personally, but that's a pretty big leap to make. He was pretty clearly making a bad joke. LeBetard certainly knew it.
 

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Isolating a person from their friends and family is one of many signs of an abusive partner, so he comes off as something of a scumbag. It didn't seem like be was joking, but I only watched the short clip linked here.
So you legit thought he was being serious? Wow. I can't stand the guy personally, but that's a pretty big leap to make. He was pretty clearly making a bad joke. LeBetard certainly knew it.
 

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Do I think he's literally isolated every women he's been in a relationship with from her friends and family? No.  Do I think there's a bit of Bill Cosby Spanish Fly in the way he makes the joke?  Yes.  I worded my initial response poorly.
 

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That's some shitty reporting. Those people didn't dump ESPN, they dumped cable, so CNN, E!, MSNBC, Fox News, and 27 other basic cable channels also lost 3.2 million subscribers
http://www.wsj.com/articles/espn-tightens-its-belt-as-pressure-on-it-mounts-1436485852
WSJ has more depth on ESPN's financial issues. They are losing subscribers faster than every channel except the Weather Channel. 7.2% drop vs. around 5% for CNN.
The rest of the article is pretty interesting, pointing out the model may be in trouble. ESPN is ridiculously priced for providers, but comes with a bunch of strings, so if ESPN tired to make a stand alone streaming service like HBO go, not only would they have to charge a lot for it, cable companies could unbundle ESPN and sell it ala carte because of a clause in their deal.
 

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More info on ESPN and if a bubble is about to burst: http://www.foxsports.com/college-football/outkick-the-coverage/is-espn-a-giant-bubble-about-to-burst-071215
 


Stand alone ESPN seeking to produce the same revenue would cost $30 a month, or twice what HBO costs and three times what Netflix costs a month. Some sports fans would still consider ESPN to be a bargain at that price, but keep in mind you'd also have to pay for ESPN2 and ESPNU and the SEC Network and FS1 and NBC Sports Network and whatever additional regional cable channels carry your favorite local team's games. The net result would be most sports fans would pay over $100 a month just for sports channels. If you're a dad, like I am, you'd have to pay additionally for kid's channels. Your wife probably watches different channels than you do too, add on those costs too. Pretty soon you're paying more for less. That's why a la carte isn't a great deal for sports fans. In fact, it's a worse deal. 
 
 
Also in that article is news that ESPN has cancelled the move of Mike and Mike to Times Square.
 

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There's going to be an incredible trickle-down effect on the sports leagues too.  The current cycle of financial bonanzas across MLB/NFL/NBA is driven by networks being willing to offer mind-bending sums of cash for live programming, and ESPN is the plug in the drain stopping that buying money from fracturing all across the landscape.  Without them splashing the pot and setting the top end of the market (really, they're the Steinbrenner Yankees of sports programming), that revenue curve changes drastically.
 

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ESPN has operated like they have a blank check to bid on broadcast rights.  Despite the amount of sports I watch, I rarely watch ESPN and would drop them in a heartbeat if I could still get other sports networks such as NESN.  I find it absolutely delicious that they will end up choking on the fees they agreed to pay.  The biggest travesty on the most expensive cable channels list is the NFL Network.  They baited the cable companies with the idea of moving more games to NFL Network and then sold off half the package to CBS.  So for basically 8-10 games a year and very little other compelling programming that isn't available elsewhere, they somehow are the 4th most costly channel. 
 

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ESPN is and will evolve.  I just don't see an ability to duplicate a business model where you earn 75% of your revenue from non-customers.  
 
The pricing models to maintain and grow with only sports fans footing the bill aren't going to fly.
 
Sports content, while of value to sports fans, is simply not worth what the leagues and sports programmers are currently bilking the bundle pricing model for.  
 
ESPN, and many other media outlets are successfully engaging their audiences across multiple platforms and they have no other choice but to do so.  I wish them luck, not really, in duplicating the cable and satellite revenue model.
 
This article in The Atlantic is just a couple of years old.  ESPN (Disney) sees the multimedia/multi-platofrm future, I just wonder how the current reality as described in the recent articles above on the shrinking subscriber base fits in.  
 
http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2013/09/the-most-valuable-network/309433/
 
I think paid fantasy sports (Draft Kings) is one new revenue stream ESPN is going to aggressively enter.  The typical male in the desired demo 18-24 spends 8-hours a week engaged in ESPN content.  If they also play fantasy sports, that number goes up to 22-hours a week.  
 

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I just don't see an ability to duplicate a business model where you earn 75% of your revenue from non-customers.  
 
The article keeps using the fact that 75% of subscribers don't watch any ESPN during a given month, which is astounding.  But I think this logic needs to be extended further - even the 25% who do watch it don't watch every second, nor anything close to that.  Even if you're a diehard ESPN watcher - say you work from home and leave it on all day - you watch maybe half of the available programming at the very highest estimate.  The vast majority of the 25% watch probably, what, an hour a day on average?  A couple games, plus a SportsCenter or PTI, each week?  
 
What I'm getting at is that a true a la carte model isn't allowing customers to buy access to individual channels - it's allowing them to buy access to individual programs, either live or time-shifted.  No, I wouldn't pay $30 for access to ESPN each month.  But I would pay $3 for a Sunday night Sox/Yanks game, $4 for MNF, $3 for a US Soccer match, $2 for a month-long pass to live SportsCenters, $1 a piece for a few 30 for 30s, etc.  Why does ESPN need to provide streaming content?  If the channels can be unbundled from the providers, why can't the programs be unbundled from the channels?  
 

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The article keeps using the fact that 75% of subscribers don't watch any ESPN during a given month, which is astounding.  But I think this logic needs to be extended further - even the 25% who do watch it don't watch every second, nor anything close to that.  Even if you're a diehard ESPN watcher - say you work from home and leave it on all day - you watch maybe half of the available programming at the very highest estimate.  The vast majority of the 25% watch probably, what, an hour a day on average?  A couple games, plus a SportsCenter or PTI, each week?  
 
What I'm getting at is that a true a la carte model isn't allowing customers to buy access to individual channels - it's allowing them to buy access to individual programs, either live or time-shifted.  No, I wouldn't pay $30 for access to ESPN each month.  But I would pay $3 for a Sunday night Sox/Yanks game, $4 for MNF, $3 for a US Soccer match, $2 for a month-long pass to live SportsCenters, $1 a piece for a few 30 for 30s, etc.  Why does ESPN need to provide streaming content?  If the channels can be unbundled from the providers, why can't the programs be unbundled from the channels?  
 
Well Europe is ground zero for a la carte sports and as far as I can tell, it doesn't work that well. Sky Sports charges £9.99 for one day's access, but why pay to watch one single sporting event when you can just pirate that shit on the web via a stream for bagel? Yeah, if you price it really, really low it might work because people would rather pay $3 for a game than spend 20 minutes finding a good stream, but I don't know if ESPN wants to do that. If they bundle ESPN everything for $40 a month but MNF is $3 then a lot of people will just watch 4 games of MNF and come out $28 ahead. 
 
I'm going to self-aggrandize: I've been pointing out that bundled cable means sports fans freeload off of non-sports fan and a la carte ESPN (which I am taking to mean all ESPN properties, not just ESPN...1, for this discussion) isn't going to cost $10-15 a month like a few people here have argued. It's going to cost as much as Sky Sports costs in the UK, which is £43 a month. Maybe even more, since ESPN has so many properties while Sky Sports' two biggest properties are Premier League soccer and Formula 1. 
 
Everybody knows it's a matter of time, but this isn't going to end up with the utopian scenario of sports fans having ten channels and saving lots on their cable bill. Europeans who have sports packages end up paying about as much on their cable bill as Americans, they just get less channels for it. It's the folks who don't like sports who will win big. 
 

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A friend is trying to organize a US rugby league to be shown on ESPN in the coming years.  She's still looking for some funds and owners, if any of y'all have a spare 7-8 mil laying around.
 
Heh, get in line, there's been people pushing some kind of rugby league on ESPN as long as I've been interested in rugby and not one has ever worked. 
 

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So it becomes a math equation. At what point does cable’s dwindling subscriber number cross the threshold where it makes sense for ESPN to start going it alone? And I mean really go it alone, not wrapped in the warm embrace of Sling TV’s bundle. I’m not sure.
 
But looking over these numbers, I am sure that it’s sooner than many people think. And that must scare the piss out of ESPN and the shit out of Disney. Because when you find that 25 percent of your seemingly unassailable profit center is suddenly under attack, you tune in.
 
 
 

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Mr. Ashe would not have approved. What a shame if true.
 
It wouldn't surprise me one bit that any of the Kardashian/Jenner/ESPN would whore the name of a good man.  You would think that ABC would not stoop to this level though.
 

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It wouldn't surprise me one bit that any of the Kardashian/Jenner/ESPN would whore the name of a good man.  You would think that ABC would not stoop to this level though.
Why? Disney owns that level, and ABC (&ESPN).

Vertical integration, baby.
 

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Meh. Awards are a fairly silly thing anyway. And Jenner's side still may have been coming from a 2/3 push the LGBT movement forward and, it being showbiz and all, a 1/3 gesture of self-promotion. 
 
Since it's the Courage Award, I get that the integrity bar is raised a bit. But as long as Team Jenner's interest in pushing trans acceptance outweighed reality-TV-boost benefit, it's hard to care much. And even the reality-TV-boost benefit arguably comes back to shining more spotlight on the LGBT acceptance cause, too. So, again, whatev on the behind the scenes quid-pro-quo.
 

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I'm so sick of ESPN's web video bait & switch when it comes to highlights.  They put an action still from the game in the video player, you click play, wait through an ad, and then 85% of the time get two talking heads doing a sideline report about the game.  I don't use espn.com any longer, but now that same practice has arrived at espnfc.com which I do check out a lot.  Infuriating.  
 

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Talk about addition by subtraction.  Cowherd has always struck me as no better than your average local blowhard sports radio guy.
 

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Talk about addition by subtraction.  Cowherd has always struck me as no better than your average local blowhard sports radio guy.
I don't really like him, but everyone in the business seems to talk about how good he is at: 1. drawing an audience, 2. Working solo which is really difficult. I don't really care if he's gone because I don't listen to him, but it is pretty clearly a cost cutting move rather than a move based on audience or content. I really doubt it is adition by subtraction, I'd guess whoever replaces him will be at least as  average and blowhard in quality without the talent or ability to hold an audience.
 

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No disagreement with anything that's been posted, but want to make the point that the ESPY awards are completely lacking in worth or merit, even by the low standards of award shows. The idea that anyone would care even a little is mind blowing.
 

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No disagreement with anything that's been posted, but want to make the point that the ESPY awards are completely lacking in worth or merit, even by the low standards of award shows. The idea that anyone would care even a little is mind blowing.
 
Thank you!
 
 

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And there's Bill Polian with garbage coming out of his mouth. He's shocked that Tom Brady would destroy his cell phone like that. Shocked.
 

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From (http://espn.go.com/blog/boston/new-england-patriots/post/_/id/4783004/patriots-stiff-arm-deflategate-questions-still-give-some-people-what-they-want):
 
"Irascible coach. Focused coach. Everything Patriots fans love about their coach, who has delivered four Super Bowls and no apologies in 15 years. Belichick could emblazon a middle finger on his hoodie and rally six states to his side while telling the outside world its questions don't matter.
So they're covered, are the champs. They've publicly fought this thing with anger and with ambivalence, allowing those who buy their tickets and their jerseys a variety of avenues by which to join them in their public outrage. Strong PR work, no doubt.
What they haven't done, of course, is answer questions. Questions like, "If no one did anything wrong, why were the ballboys suspended?" or "If a player has nothing to hide, why wouldn't he cooperate fully with the investigation?""
 
Actually, they HAVE answered these questions.  
 
Why were the bellboys suspended?  
See (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/05/19/patriots-suspended-jastremski-mcnally-at-request-of-nfl/):  "the Patriots suspended John Jastremski and Jim McNally because the NFL requested the discipline"
 
If a player has nothing to hide, why wouldn't he cooperate fully with the investigation?
See (http://sonsofsamhorn.net/topic/90555-brady-suspension-upheld-toms-phone-was-destroyed-goodell-got-annoyed/?p=6160444):  ""I want to be crystal clear, I told Mr. Brady and his agent I was willing to not take possession of his phone," Wells said to the media.  Wells also said Brady's team could turn over documents related to the investigation and "I'll take your word for it.""
 
And then see (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/05/07/don-yee-explains-bradys-refusal-to-provide-texts-and-email/):  "“Second, with the text messages, the scope that they asked for is actually very, very wide. I probably should have made the letter public that we received from the NFL’s lawyers. But in any event, if we would have provided the phone or the text messages — you have to understand Tom is also a member of the union, the Commissioner’s office actually does not have any subpoena power. If a prominent player were to provide all of their private communications absent a subpoena, that sets a dangerous precedent for all players facing disciplinary measures."
 
And then see (http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/writer/jason-la-canfora/25253590/bradys-agent-nfl-shifted-focus-to-phone-because-its-science-is-junk):  ""Since we're willing to provide the identity of all NFL-related personnel," Yee said, "if the underlying event was trying to determine if there was a scheme to deflate footballs improperly before the AFC Championship Game, who do you think Tom would be communicating with to allegedly do so? The Wells Report already exonerated the coaching staff and the Patriots' organization, so who else could Tom have communicated with to help concoct and execute a scheme to deflate footballs? Could it have been (actor) Mark Wahlberg?
"We were willing to reveal identities of everyone in Tom's phone. Everybody. We took the extra step to provide the Commissioner with all of Tom's personal cell phone billing records -- the billing records show all outgoing and incoming phone calls and texts. We took the further step to advise the Commissioner we were willing to disclose the identity of every single person in the billing record Tom communicated with. We took the additional step of speaking to general counsel at AT&T to determine if the company could somehow retrieve all those text message and he wrote letter back saying that's not possible, and we gave that letter to the commissioner as well. The commissioner tried to imply Tom was hiding something; does this seem like the behavior of someone trying to hide something?""
 
I mean, this stuff has been answered and then some.  It took me about five minutes total to dig this up and cut-and-paste it into this post.  But a guy working for ESPN and getting paid to comment on this can't find it?
 

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This right here is why I've given up on fighting a losing battle on DFG with people. This lingered over so much that the Patriots fought tooth and nail to kill it. They did everything in their power, including proving that they could not have taped the walkthrough because of how the stadium setup worked, and fully indemnifying the guy from any potential prosecution. Then, it finally comes out that he made the whole thing up, confesses, the paper that ran the original story retracted it, and still nobody gives a shit. Exactly what more could anyone have done to prove their innocence?